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Consigliere said:
drifters1234 said:
Consigliere said:
Regardless of your thoughts on this DT, you don't replace a JUCO DT with a HS Senior DT. It doesn't make sense. You SHOULDN'T replace a HS Senior with a JUCO DT and expect the same thing right away.
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You have to put it in context. We have completely missed on DT recruiting for the last two recruiting cycles. In other words, had e we signed Bostwick in the last cycle, this kid would not have an offer now. There is no DT depth on our roster. How do you fix that problem? You pull in JUCO DTs. When you miss on your JUCO DTs (Pelon/Johnson) as we have, then you have to add depth, even if that depth is not ready to play. So that is why you offer this DT.

The hope for the coaching staff is that Valentine is ready to play next year, and effectively serves as our second JUCO DT, in addition to Wyche.

We can also try the waiver wire route, but that is basically pulling in damaged goods or underperformers, so you can't count on them to make a big impact.
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The part in Bold: Impossible to actually know. Is that a possible answer, sure. Is it definite, no.

There is DT depth, the question whether there is quality DT depth ready to play serious burn.

Pierre, Wyche, Moore, King and Hamilton are all DTs. Plus Kamalu may play some DT. The question is whether these guys can contribute quality burn...the answer is _________________________.
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What we do know is that we were recruiting at least 3 JUCO DTs: Stuckey/Pelon/Johnson. For a variety of reasons, we lost all three. On the heels of that collective loss, Jethro sends out a feeler to Cerenod to see if he is still interested in UM. Cerenod says he is, and thereafter, we offer. Meanwhile, there is no indication that we are seeking other JUCO DTs, presumably, because there are not other studs available. Or more accurately, no more studs that have a remote chance of getting past UM admissions. It's safe to infer that Cerenod is the replacement for coming up short on the JUCO DTs.

As far as your quality depth statement, I thought it was implied that we are seeking quality depth. JAG depth is not the goal. We had the young players Moore, Hamilton, and King last year when we were actively pursuing Bostwick and Bryant. We lost both. Bostwick, in particular, was a supposed cane lock. Further, Moore, Hamilton, and King did absolutely nothing this season. So, it is abundantly clear that we absolutely need quality DT depth.

I suppose it is conceivable that they would have offered Cerenod even if Bostwick was on the roster. But, given the timing of the offer, he sure looks like a guy that was a back-up plan when we struck out on ready-to-play JUCO DTs. Having missed on that need, we are recalibrating to add depth.
 
drifters1234 said:
What we do know is that we were recruiting at least 3 JUCO DTs: Stuckey/Pelon/Johnson. For a variety of reasons, we lost all three. On the heels of that collective loss, Jethro sends out a feeler to Cerenod to see if he is still interested in UM. Cerenod says he is, and thereafter, we offer. Meanwhile, there is no indication that we are seeking other JUCO DTs, presumably, because there are not other studs available. Or more accurately, no more studs that have a remote chance of getting past UM admissions. It's safe to infer that Cerenod is the replacement for coming up short on the JUCO DTs.

As far as your quality depth statement, I thought it was implied that we are seeking quality depth. JAG depth is not the goal. We had the young players Moore, Hamilton, and King last year when we were actively pursuing Bostwick and Bryant. We lost both. Bostwick, in particular, was a supposed cane lock. Further, Moore, Hamilton, and King did absolutely nothing this season. So, it is abundantly clear that we absolutely need quality DT depth.

I suppose it is conceivable that they would have offered Cerenod even if Bostwick was on the roster. But, given the timing of the offer, he sure looks like a guy that was a back-up plan when we struck out on ready-to-play JUCO DTs. Having missed on that need, we are recalibrating to add depth.
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I think the Bold part is true, clearly we didn't get any of those guys.

The underlined part is a guess and a possible theory on why this new guy has an offer.

It is not implied because people keep saying (not you) we don't have numbers at DT. We have numbers at DT, just not the quality we need.
 
Paranos said:
Congrats to young Mr. Cerenord on the UM offer I like the offer as quicker NT, he has quickness and strength can be improved in time, but I just question whether UM has the time to wait on this young man given the reductions in scholarships over the next few years.

However if UM is looking for a developmental 3-Tech DT/DE then UM might take a look at 2014 Milford Academy Prep DT/DE Eric Waife kid is a true 6'5" 270lbs wrecking crew, at Milford this year he had 14 solo tackles, 14 asst Tackles, 5 TFL's, 3 sacks, 1 Forced Fumble and recovery, 1 Def TD from a scoop and score, and 1 Blocked FG.

The kid is naturally strong his JR year in High School he throw 49feet in the shot put, which for a 6'5" 260lb is amazing given his height, it shows very good explosion.
http://nj.milesplit.com/athletes/1503949-eric-waife#.UrHQCScsy3M

He committed after attending a camp he committed Rutgers for the 2013 class coming out of Egg Harbour Township HS, NJ (Senior year stats 56 Tackles, 5 Sacks, 2 batted passes, and 1 Def TD). The kid was raw coming out of high School but with the time spent at Prep School coupled with being an Early Enrollee and going through spring ball, then Red Shirting for 2014 this kid will be 290lbs easily and terror setting the edge in the 3-4. So UM wouldn't have to wait 3 years for this kid to develop, as we would for Cerenord. Waife is currently committed to RU an scheduled to enroll this spring, but we have seen the reestablishment of Jersey Pipeline of recruits to S. Fla under AG, an this kid is the long Lean type AG Likes.

Go Canes!

Sr Year Highlights (2012) (Part 1)
[video=youtube;b9HtWm0xQAs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9HtWm0xQAs[/video]

Sr Year Highlights (2012) (Part 2)
[video=youtube;NPsMv3YNtc0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPsMv3YNtc0[/video]
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Good looking kid. Long, lean and athletic. Prototype 3-4 DE if he fills out.
 
WildcatDefense said:
All you guys talkin' about how he's quick, uses low pad level and lives in backfield are forgetting (or have no clue) what we run on defense.

This kid's main talents are void in our scheme. There's nothing about that tape that says he's gonna be a good 2-gap NT. He certainly ain't a 3-4 DE. Too short.

In our current scheme I don't see where he fits. We're basically hoping he can do something (when he gets to Miami) that he's never been asked to do before. (read and control offensive linemen)

I don't hate the offer...but I would really LOVE the offer if we were planning to use him as a 3-technique in a 1-gap scheme.
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WHICH IS WHY I CALLED THE KID AN fsu DT.

tHIS KID IS EXACTLY WHAT hAGGINS LOOKS FOR IN HIS DTS.....those dts that gives us fits....shoot gaps and can slant, quick off the snap.....

we better be tikering with this defense some as fsu saw it wasnt working and went back to the good ole good ole and that sh*t turnt around quick..

Kid is a poor mans Tim Jernigan who will be a 1-2nd rd pick from fsu whenever he comes out.
 
drifters1234 said:
Consigliere said:
drifters1234 said:
Consigliere said:
Regardless of your thoughts on this DT, you don't replace a JUCO DT with a HS Senior DT. It doesn't make sense. You SHOULDN'T replace a HS Senior with a JUCO DT and expect the same thing right away.
Click to expand...

You have to put it in context. We have completely missed on DT recruiting for the last two recruiting cycles. In other words, had e we signed Bostwick in the last cycle, this kid would not have an offer now. There is no DT depth on our roster. How do you fix that problem? You pull in JUCO DTs. When you miss on your JUCO DTs (Pelon/Johnson) as we have, then you have to add depth, even if that depth is not ready to play. So that is why you offer this DT.

The hope for the coaching staff is that Valentine is ready to play next year, and effectively serves as our second JUCO DT, in addition to Wyche.

We can also try the waiver wire route, but that is basically pulling in damaged goods or underperformers, so you can't count on them to make a big impact.
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The part in Bold: Impossible to actually know. Is that a possible answer, sure. Is it definite, no.

There is DT depth, the question whether there is quality DT depth ready to play serious burn.

Pierre, Wyche, Moore, King and Hamilton are all DTs. Plus Kamalu may play some DT. The question is whether these guys can contribute quality burn...the answer is _________________________.
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What we do know is that we were recruiting at least 3 JUCO DTs: Stuckey/Pelon/Johnson. For a variety of reasons, we lost all three. On the heels of that collective loss, Jethro sends out a feeler to Cerenod to see if he is still interested in UM. Cerenod says he is, and thereafter, we offer. Meanwhile, there is no indication that we are seeking other JUCO DTs, presumably, because there are not other studs available. Or more accurately, no more studs that have a remote chance of getting past UM admissions. It's safe to infer that Cerenod is the replacement for coming up short on the JUCO DTs.

As far as your quality depth statement, I thought it was implied that we are seeking quality depth. JAG depth is not the goal. We had the young players Moore, Hamilton, and King last year when we were actively pursuing Bostwick and Bryant. We lost both. Bostwick, in particular, was a supposed cane lock. Further, Moore, Hamilton, and King did absolutely nothing this season. So, it is abundantly clear that we absolutely need quality DT depth.

I suppose it is conceivable that they would have offered Cerenod even if Bostwick was on the roster. But, given the timing of the offer, he sure looks like a guy that was a back-up plan when we struck out on ready-to-play JUCO DTs. Having missed on that need, we are recalibrating to add depth.
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Blah, blah, blah....

Hourtelou.....

blah, blah, blah some more....

Russ Maryland...fewer offers than Cerenord....plus he wasn't a Florida kid...same with Jimmie Jones, even if he was a Florida kid.

blah, blah, blah....1394 posts, or 1394 total brain cells in that well-informed head of yours.
 
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CANE4LIFE said:
Consigliere said:
Regardless of your thoughts on this DT, you don't replace a JUCO DT with a HS Senior DT. It doesn't make sense. You SHOULDN'T replace a HS Senior with a JUCO DT and expect the same thing right away.
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As AU already said, its not like we have a choice. If there were other JUCO options out there, Im sure they would have explored them. If this kid got the last DT ship, its because the JUCO options are zero, and they still want at least one more DT in this class for depth. IMO Valentine is going to see the field next year. Jenkins may also be thrown into the fire with his size. But you also have to build for the future. So a kid like this who you can redshirt, is not a bad take. He has some skill and size. Two years of UTough and he could be ready to be a solid contributor.
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Yeah, right. No more Jucos available. Hourtelou's a Martian.
 
doesn't look like he passes the eye ball test for a DT. Maybe an end. Looks kinda skinny.
 
hcanes100 said:
doesn't look like he passes the eye ball test for a DT. Maybe an end. Looks kinda skinny.
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All sites have him listed around 6'1 290. He may be 275 at least, but I still think he has good size to work from.

My biggest question, like WildCat, is how to we plan on using him? He doesn't seem to fit what we do here.
 
This kid is really good and we need quality DL depth

He is much better than King or Moore plus he is from a good high school for us

DE
Muhammad Soph
Thomas Fr
Jackson Fr
Harris Fr
Smith Fr

DT
Valentine Fr
Moten Fr
Jenkins Fr
Ceronard Fr

Headed in the right direction
 
First i wanted to say we are thankful for the offer and we appreciate all the positive support and constructive criticism. I know some people had questions about his size. He is a legit 6'1" 292lbs running a 5.0 40 with an 82" wingspan and 12" hands. Last february when he went to UM junior day he was 299lbs. He had 28% body fat so we wanted to see him get leaner. He lost 14 lbs and then put on 7 lbs of muscle. He is around 21% fat. We didnt want him to get bigger and lose speed. UM has measured him at two camps and a junior day. If the height and weight was off, they would know.
As far as fitting in the scheme, before this season i would have questioned him as a ng as well but heritage ran multiple sets where he played the 3 technique, ng and 5 technique. His highlights show him making plays from each of those positions. I could be wrong but from my observations we run a 1 gap scheme. The lb have gap assignments as well. The problem we have is that they get turned out of their gaps or lbs dont fill the gaps. A few of you even mentioned a comparison to Timmy Jernigan. He is actually playing ng at fsu in Jeremy Pruitt defense and his speed and aggressiveness allows them to get more pressure up the middle than using a plug. The kid works hard. He has a 3.7 gpa, benches 380 and squats 500lbs. He is a student of the game and watches a ton of film. He actually makes the on field adjustments for the defense on his team.
As far as the ppl calling him a jag, keep talking, i just dont want to see any of you soft shouldered asses on his bandwagon when he balls!
 
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Hurrickaneof83 said:
First i wanted to say we are thankful for the offer and we appreciate all the positive support and constructive criticism. I know some people had questions about his size. He is a legit 6'1" 292lbs running a 5.0 40 with an 82" wingspan and 12" hands. Last february when he went to UM junior day he was 299lbs. He had 28% body fat so we wanted to see him get leaner. He lost 14 lbs and then put on 7 lbs of muscle. He is around 21% fat. We didnt want him to get bigger and lose speed. UM has measured him at two camps and a junior day. If the height and weight was off, they would know.
As far as fitting in the scheme, before this season i would have questioned him as a ng as well but heritage ran multiple sets where he played the 3 technique, ng and 5 technique. His highlights show him making plays from each of those positions. I could be wrong but from my observations we run a 1 gap scheme. The lb have gap assignments as well. The problem we have is that they get turned out of their gaps or lbs dont fill the gaps. A few of you even mentioned a comparison to Timmy Jernigan. He is actually playing ng at fsu in Jeremy Pruitt defense and his speed and aggressiveness allows them to get more pressure up the middle than using a plug. The kid works hard. He has a 3.7 gpa, benches 380 and squats 500lbs. He is a student of the game and watches a ton of film. He actually makes the on field adjustments for the defense on his team.
As far as the ppl calling him a jag, keep talking, i just dont want to see any of you soft shouldered asses on his bandwagon when he balls!
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Thanks for posting 83.. Disregard all the JAG remarks from these star whores... All they are going on is ratings. From everything I've seen he would be a welcomed addition to the []_[].
 
Hurrickaneof83 said:
First i wanted to say we are thankful for the offer and we appreciate all the positive support and constructive criticism. I know some people had questions about his size. He is a legit 6'1" 292lbs running a 5.0 40 with an 82" wingspan and 12" hands. Last february when he went to UM junior day he was 299lbs. He had 28% body fat so we wanted to see him get leaner. He lost 14 lbs and then put on 7 lbs of muscle. He is around 21% fat. We didnt want him to get bigger and lose speed. UM has measured him at two camps and a junior day. If the height and weight was off, they would know.
As far as fitting in the scheme, before this season i would have questioned him as a ng as well but heritage ran multiple sets where he played the 3 technique, ng and 5 technique. His highlights show him making plays from each of those positions. I could be wrong but from my observations we run a 1 gap scheme. The lb have gap assignments as well. The problem we have is that they get turned out of their gaps or lbs dont fill the gaps. A few of you even mentioned a comparison to Timmy Jernigan. He is actually playing ng at fsu in Jeremy Pruitt defense and his speed and aggressiveness allows them to get more pressure up the middle than using a plug. The kid works hard. He has a 3.7 gpa, benches 380 and squats 500lbs. He is a student of the game and watches a ton of film. He actually makes the on field adjustments for the defense on his team.
As far as the ppl calling him a jag, keep talking, i just dont want to see any of you soft shouldered asses on his bandwagon when he balls!
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Congrats to yall.

I hear what you're saying but it's apples and oranges. He might've played some Nose at Heritage but he wasn't asked to do the same thing that he'll be doing at Miami. (2-gapping) Jernigan isn't 2-gapping at FSU.

I like Edgar's skill-set and I just hope we don't waste it.

Have the coaches told him what role he'll likely be used in?
 
WildcatDefense said:
Hurrickaneof83 said:
First i wanted to say we are thankful for the offer and we appreciate all the positive support and constructive criticism. I know some people had questions about his size. He is a legit 6'1" 292lbs running a 5.0 40 with an 82" wingspan and 12" hands. Last february when he went to UM junior day he was 299lbs. He had 28% body fat so we wanted to see him get leaner. He lost 14 lbs and then put on 7 lbs of muscle. He is around 21% fat. We didnt want him to get bigger and lose speed. UM has measured him at two camps and a junior day. If the height and weight was off, they would know.
As far as fitting in the scheme, before this season i would have questioned him as a ng as well but heritage ran multiple sets where he played the 3 technique, ng and 5 technique. His highlights show him making plays from each of those positions. I could be wrong but from my observations we run a 1 gap scheme. The lb have gap assignments as well. The problem we have is that they get turned out of their gaps or lbs dont fill the gaps. A few of you even mentioned a comparison to Timmy Jernigan. He is actually playing ng at fsu in Jeremy Pruitt defense and his speed and aggressiveness allows them to get more pressure up the middle than using a plug. The kid works hard. He has a 3.7 gpa, benches 380 and squats 500lbs. He is a student of the game and watches a ton of film. He actually makes the on field adjustments for the defense on his team.
As far as the ppl calling him a jag, keep talking, i just dont want to see any of you soft shouldered asses on his bandwagon when he balls!
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Congrats to yall.

I hear what you're saying but it's apples and oranges. He might've played some Nose at Heritage but he wasn't asked to do the same thing that he'll be doing at Miami. (2-gapping) Jernigan isn't 2-gapping at FSU.

I like Edgar's skill-set and I just hope we don't waste it.

Have the coaches told him what role he'll likely be used in?
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Trust me, i would love to answer those questions but i have to respect his process and not release anything he is discussing. Some of the questions you guys are asking we would like to know as well but out of respect to the parties involved i wont discuss it on here.
 
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