If we lose to FSU this year with the dumpster fire they are at the moment, I would have no faith moving forward.
4 losses would be complete failure all around. We have better QBs than last year, Enos running the show, better online coaching, experience in the front 7 with Garvin, the LBs and transfer, and what should be a much improved kicking game.
For a first year coach taking over a team that 2 years ago was a game away from the cfb playoffs is very mediocre..we have a lot coming back as far as talent. Manny is taking over a more talented squad then the last 3 previous coaches here..with that said if the oline is the same as last year in performance the 9 wins is the ceilingNo issue with 8-4 from me in the guy’s first year being a HC, EVER.
Of course, I want more. But 8 wins for a 1st year HC in a P5 conference is legit!
My only requirement is he can’t let the guys quit on games. Bad games and bad game plans will happen. It’s the learning curve of being a HC. But I’d like to see a competitive team that plays hard.
The wins will follow if the culture of playing hard is established.
You realize to go 8-4 Manny would have to lose every game against a semi competent team and only win the easy games against scrub teams. 8-4 would mean losses to UF,I get your point. I really do.
But Texas had more talent than Maryland. Maryland beat them in Tom Herman’s first season. And Herman wasn’t a first time HC.
Ohio State had more talent than Purdue, but Purdue beat them. And Urban Meyer is a Top 5 coach of all-time.
Talent doesn’t always win. It matters, but coaches still have to coach. And Manny is a first time HC.
He’ll have some oops games. It is what it is.
Sounds like you guys discount an article that has us 8-4 and cherry pick for other “predictors” that have us with a better record.Not sure but he has us as his #2 surprise team and usually hits on those. Had Notre dame as the #1 surprise team last year and they went to the playoffs. Also has Miami coming into the season ranked #15, with the #2 rated defense in the country
Exactly. You have a so called expert who doesn’t necessarily know the intricacies of each team.we've had 1 10 win season and basically go 7-6 every other year. id guess around the same if i didnt follow closely.
I agree but don't forget both teams pretty much always step up for this game. Golden nearly beat a Winston/Cook led FSU team in 2014 that finished the season #2 and lost in the BCS playoff. I will never underestimate FSU even when they are in the gutter.
He has consistently said that he expects the Canes to be a top-10 team with 10 or more wins and challenge Clemson in ACCCG. Also predicted that the game against the gator is a toss-up.
8-4 is completely unacceptable with the 2019 schedule. That record would be a failure.No issue with 8-4 from me in the guy’s first year being a HC, EVER.
Of course, I want more. But 8 wins for a 1st year HC in a P5 conference is legit!
My only requirement is he can’t let the guys quit on games. Bad games and bad game plans will happen. It’s the learning curve of being a HC. But I’d like to see a competitive team that plays hard.
The wins will follow if the culture of playing hard is established.
I'm a big believer in Manny but that wouldn't be acceptable. We have some elite talent on offense and and some potential All Americans starting on D. 10 or more wins or immediately skeptical of the Diaz regime.
So you're OK with losing 4 ACC games? Because that's where the losses would come from. Is 4-4 in the ACC an acceptable season to you?I'll take 8-4 in Manny's first season so long as we beat UF and FSU.
... Bad games and bad game plans will happen. It’s the learning curve of being a HC. But I’d like to see a competitive team that plays hard....
No issue with 8-4 from me in the guy’s first year being a HC, EVER.
Of course, I want more. But 8 wins for a 1st year HC in a P5 conference is legit!
My only requirement is he can’t let the guys quit on games. Bad games and bad game plans will happen. It’s the learning curve of being a HC. But I’d like to see a competitive team that plays hard.
The wins will follow if the culture of playing hard is established.
Sure. If 8-4 is the scenario, then yes. I'd take 4 conference losses in exchange for a BEATDOWN of UF and FSU. Those are the biggest recruiting rivals we have right now. We're not losing or winning any recruits to UNC, GT, Duke, VT, or UVA. Need those state bragging rights.So you're OK with losing 4 ACC games? Because that's where the losses would come from. Is 4-4 in the ACC an acceptable season to you?
So you're OK with losing 4 ACC games? Because that's where the losses would come from. Is 4-4 in the ACC an acceptable season to you?
My point exactly. 8-4 is certainly a possibility and one we've come to expect. It's also totally unacceptable given the schedule that's there.Sounds like another season at Miami to me. It's not like Manny Diaz was a break from the norm in hiring practice. Remember the last coach we poached from Temple? Last time we hired our former DC?