"Me Guys"

[DHucks]

I know SMD reads these boards. Mrs. Susan, please ask Golden how Carter is doing, and when was the last he spoke with Carter or his family. I know the answer obviously, but what would be exposed, is who the real "Me" guy is.

So because Golden opened up the team to Carter and your family at some point and brought them to practices or whatever else, he is a bad guy because he doesn't continue to do so and doesn't continue to communicate with your family? Many programs and coaches wouldn't have done any of that in the first place, so they already went above and beyond what most programs do. There are hundreds of terribly sick children out there, should all of the families that the UM coaches don't keep tabs on be upset with them as well, or be upset because they chose to spend time with your family and not theirs? That Duke has formed a special relationship with Carter and has maintained that is wonderful, and a great reflection on Duke. That the coaching staff didn't maintain the relationship isn't a negative reflection on them.

You're missing the point here. I've been searching for the quote, but he was slated as saying that he would keep in contact, and I was asked pre Cincinnati in the interview about him saying that. He's never done it at all. They were upset at me saying we were family, and what I did wasn't what family does to each other.

What family doesn't check in on sick family?

Shouldn't family keep promises?

Isn't him calling out last year's players airing family business too?

Open your eyes man. Those are only a few questions. He shouldn't be doing things like this.

If it's really family, you keep these things in house.

Keeping the lines of contact open doesn't necessarily mean he is going to be the one doing the contacting. Did you contact them after that? Not saying he did or didn't, but it sounds like you are trying to hold them to the standard that Duke set, which is going way above and beyond the call of duty.

Also, at no point did he mention Duke being one of the "me" guys on the team, nor did the various other current players who have made similar statements about players giving up. So I have no idea whether Duke is even one of those they were talking about.

As for "calling out last year's players....that is done by many coaches. I've seen direct quotes from Meyer, Saban, many others pointing out that there were elements in the team that were a problem to team chemistry, and stating that the team in a particular season is much better off chemistry-wise than the year before after some players moved on (Saban even used the "energy vampires" term to refer to some of those players). At no point were specific players named nor did they say that it was every player that left, but that there was a very real locker room problem and team chemistry problem with a subset of players is something that has been stated many times by players as well as the coaching staff.

Only Al's mother would dare to compare him to Saba and Urban -- unless you are talking about slimy. Those guys are explaining why a team lost one game instead of going undefeated or finished 5th one year. Golden has been throwing players under the bus since the K State game exposed his rancid defense and his boyfriend. Duke under the bus as early as the USF game to cover his lack of QB talent in his third year.

DHucks is speaking from personal experience while you seem to speak from an unnatural love affair with Al. I use to support him but the constant pitching of players under nearest bus drove me away. NOT ONCE has the man even implied that coaches needed to do better or find another job but he persist in blaming players and fans for all his failures. Open your eyes and see.

Exactly. I wanted to believe he was different than what he was being made out to be. I really, wholeheartedly wanted to. But, what happened to us, was exactly what he was made to be.

While the cameras were on and we were present, he was awesome. When we weren't there and cameras weren't on, he was a ghost.

After the VT game, nearly every staff member sought us out to tell us thanks for coming, and by us I mean my wife and I. I personally had to search for Golden. When I found him, he was on the bus. I was allowed to step on to say congrats and thanks for having us, but he just nodded his head, gave a half smile and went back to what he was doing. I found the exchange very, very odd. Now I find it fitting.

Guess he was blocking out the noise.

 

[fincane]

Placing blame or rightfully attributing issues to former players isn't unique to Golden.

Saban wins and isn't an underachiever so it isn't looked at as making excuses

Alabama coach Nick Saban is enjoying this team for more reasons than big wins, talent and depth.

He also likes the second-ranked Crimson Tide because they don't have so-called "energy vampires" sucking time away from the coaches and perhaps affecting the team's focus or chemistry.

"Basically, what I mean by that is as a head coach when you have energy vampires on your team who never do what they're supposed to do and take all your energy as a coach," Saban said on Monday. "So you've got five guys who take all your energy and never get to enjoy the other 95 guys who do everything right.

"We just don't seem to have those guys on our team, and we seem to have a lot more guys that sort of like each other, buy in, try to help each other, want to do what's best for the team. That's always more fun to deal with as a coach."

Saban: Alabama lacks 'energy vampires' on team

That final part would be what some might consider *** or ******ry coming from Golden.

That was from last year. In 2013, the team he might be talking about with all the energy vampires went 11-2.

 

[Don Caneleone]

The staff would never say it, but Eric Flowers would have been at the top of the list, followed closely by Duke Johnson.

This is the new excuse for '15. We're a "team" this year so the fans should buy in. I'm not buying in. Good coaches win with good talent. Bad coaches lose with good talent. Period.

Agreed.

I think that Flowers and Duke just lost respect for the coaches, with cause. Flowers got hurt against VT, stayed in, had surgery during the bye week, and mauled FSU a week later. If that's a me-guy, I want 21 more of those me-guys.

Duke was the model of "the Process" when he was a freshman. Did something change between his freshman and junior years? Maybe, but he still hit the weights, improved his speed every year, and broke rushing records. Seems like his Process was working for him.

It's bull**** that they chose this to be the rhetoric, but I think the rhetoric is just rhetoric (if that makes sense). It's clear that we had a late season collapse (insert any reason why we collapsed). They needed to attribute it to something. They chose the rhetoric they chose. True team first guys got thrown into the talk. It sucks. They could have taken a different approach that didn't unfairly label guys.

Maybe they chose that approach because they saw it as the most beneficial one for the future regardless of what it did to the players who left. Everything in the media is overwhelmingly pointing to vastly improved team chemistry, led by a budding star at QB. Is it even real? If it's real, is it going to be effective? How will we know? I guess this is the fun of closely following a team, even if things aren't going well. We might learn something.

Listen, this is no excuse to these coaches. But there are stories of Flowers blatantly telling his position coach (kehoe) to go fly a kite late in the season. He checked out and was ready to move on where he knew NFL riches awaited. As D$ said, I think he gave up on the process, with cause. At the end of the day, AG and his staff recruited these kids and it was their job to mold them into a team and win. Now fast forward to 2015, and the coach speak appears to be, "The ME guys are gone, and the TEAM guys are now here. Let's go win!" We'll see.

 

[dk72]

Kyle and D$ or dk72, the "insider" from Maryland - I don't know who to believe, guys.

I don't know for someone that sucks goldens **** **** near daily I'd have to go with dk72. He probably gets the first scoop on the latest hashtags as he sucks that golden **** dry.

Yes, someone who has consistently said that Golden has underperformed and should be let go if there isn't a large turnaround this year is "sucking his ****." You're the one with the **** fetish, bringing it up (maybe because yours can't get up?) every chance you get. You're the one obsessed with Golden, bringing him up for every single thing, from real issues, to complete and utter nonsense. Your obsession is unhealthy.

 

[dk72]

I imagine DK72 reading all of the Mods' comments like:

DK, we all know you're a political hack, and a pompous liberal who feels Donna Shalala's tenure at UM was great for both the University and its athletics program. In reality she completely destroyed the football program hiring incompetent ***** like Folden. That will be her legacy in regard to athletics.

It's quite entertaining watching you try and ultimately fail at defending the shltshow that is the corching staff.

Ah, the Tea Party nutcase who brings non-existent politics and anti-liberal rants into something that has absolutely nothing to do with politics.

 

[dk72]

I know SMD reads these boards. Mrs. Susan, please ask Golden how Carter is doing, and when was the last he spoke with Carter or his family. I know the answer obviously, but what would be exposed, is who the real "Me" guy is.

So because Golden opened up the team to Carter and your family at some point and brought them to practices or whatever else, he is a bad guy because he doesn't continue to do so and doesn't continue to communicate with your family? Many programs and coaches wouldn't have done any of that in the first place, so they already went above and beyond what most programs do. There are hundreds of terribly sick children out there, should all of the families that the UM coaches don't keep tabs on be upset with them as well, or be upset because they chose to spend time with your family and not theirs? That Duke has formed a special relationship with Carter and has maintained that is wonderful, and a great reflection on Duke. That the coaching staff didn't maintain the relationship isn't a negative reflection on them.

You're missing the point here. I've been searching for the quote, but he was slated as saying that he would keep in contact, and I was asked pre Cincinnati in the interview about him saying that. He's never done it at all. They were upset at me saying we were family, and what I did wasn't what family does to each other.

What family doesn't check in on sick family?

Shouldn't family keep promises?

Isn't him calling out last year's players airing family business too?

Open your eyes man. Those are only a few questions. He shouldn't be doing things like this.

If it's really family, you keep these things in house.

Keeping the lines of contact open doesn't necessarily mean he is going to be the one doing the contacting. Did you contact them after that? Not saying he did or didn't, but it sounds like you are trying to hold them to the standard that Duke set, which is going way above and beyond the call of duty.

Also, at no point did he mention Duke being one of the "me" guys on the team, nor did the various other current players who have made similar statements about players giving up. So I have no idea whether Duke is even one of those they were talking about.

As for "calling out last year's players....that is done by many coaches. I've seen direct quotes from Meyer, Saban, many others pointing out that there were elements in the team that were a problem to team chemistry, and stating that the team in a particular season is much better off chemistry-wise than the year before after some players moved on (Saban even used the "energy vampires" term to refer to some of those players). At no point were specific players named nor did they say that it was every player that left, but that there was a very real locker room problem and team chemistry problem with a subset of players is something that has been stated many times by players as well as the coaching staff.

Only Al's mother would dare to compare him to Saba and Urban -- unless you are talking about slimy. Those guys are explaining why a team lost one game instead of going undefeated or finished 5th one year. Golden has been throwing players under the bus since the K State game exposed his rancid defense and his boyfriend. Duke under the bus as early as the USF game to cover his lack of QB talent in his third year.

DHucks is speaking from personal experience while you seem to speak from an unnatural love affair with Al. I use to support him but the constant pitching of players under nearest bus drove me away. NOT ONCE has the man even implied that coaches needed to do better or find another job but he persist in blaming players and fans for all his failures. Open your eyes and see.

Absolute BS. While Golden has underperformed, he has not "thrown players under the bus" any more than any other coach does every day, every season. That's a little narrative some of you have jumped on because you have to make up as many scenarios as possible to whine about. Your vision is so black and white that there can never be more than one problem. The reality is, while Golden has not done a great job, there is definitely blame to go around for some of the players as well.

 

[Consigliere]

So because Golden opened up the team to Carter and your family at some point and brought them to practices or whatever else, he is a bad guy because he doesn't continue to do so and doesn't continue to communicate with your family? Many programs and coaches wouldn't have done any of that in the first place, so they already went above and beyond what most programs do. There are hundreds of terribly sick children out there, should all of the families that the UM coaches don't keep tabs on be upset with them as well, or be upset because they chose to spend time with your family and not theirs? That Duke has formed a special relationship with Carter and has maintained that is wonderful, and a great reflection on Duke. That the coaching staff didn't maintain the relationship isn't a negative reflection on them.

You're missing the point here. I've been searching for the quote, but he was slated as saying that he would keep in contact, and I was asked pre Cincinnati in the interview about him saying that. He's never done it at all. They were upset at me saying we were family, and what I did wasn't what family does to each other.

What family doesn't check in on sick family?

Shouldn't family keep promises?

Isn't him calling out last year's players airing family business too?

Open your eyes man. Those are only a few questions. He shouldn't be doing things like this.

If it's really family, you keep these things in house.

Keeping the lines of contact open doesn't necessarily mean he is going to be the one doing the contacting. Did you contact them after that? Not saying he did or didn't, but it sounds like you are trying to hold them to the standard that Duke set, which is going way above and beyond the call of duty.

Also, at no point did he mention Duke being one of the "me" guys on the team, nor did the various other current players who have made similar statements about players giving up. So I have no idea whether Duke is even one of those they were talking about.

As for "calling out last year's players....that is done by many coaches. I've seen direct quotes from Meyer, Saban, many others pointing out that there were elements in the team that were a problem to team chemistry, and stating that the team in a particular season is much better off chemistry-wise than the year before after some players moved on (Saban even used the "energy vampires" term to refer to some of those players). At no point were specific players named nor did they say that it was every player that left, but that there was a very real locker room problem and team chemistry problem with a subset of players is something that has been stated many times by players as well as the coaching staff.

Only Al's mother would dare to compare him to Saba and Urban -- unless you are talking about slimy. Those guys are explaining why a team lost one game instead of going undefeated or finished 5th one year. Golden has been throwing players under the bus since the K State game exposed his rancid defense and his boyfriend. Duke under the bus as early as the USF game to cover his lack of QB talent in his third year.

DHucks is speaking from personal experience while you seem to speak from an unnatural love affair with Al. I use to support him but the constant pitching of players under nearest bus drove me away. NOT ONCE has the man even implied that coaches needed to do better or find another job but he persist in blaming players and fans for all his failures. Open your eyes and see.

Absolute BS. While Golden has underperformed, he has not "thrown players under the bus" any more than any other coach does every day, every season. That's a little narrative some of you have jumped on because you have to make up as many scenarios as possible to whine about. Your vision is so black and white that there can never be more than one problem. The reality is, while Golden has not done a great job, there is definitely blame to go around for some of the players as well.

I know. It is like in every post they have the same agenda and will do anything to give their illogical and irrational POV. They're willing to defend their POV, while covered in tin foil, no matter what. How about we have some fun for once?

 

[imlive365]

This is just an excuse for him to use for him being a such a failure with all those draft picks last year and to say they weren't about the team and that they were ME guys. They were ME guys because they were talanted? He'd rather have everybody be a try hard less talanted hard nose.guy who may not be the most talanted or fastest guy but will always try his best for coach

 

[Cribby]

The staff would never say it, but Eric Flowers would have been at the top of the list, followed closely by Duke Johnson.

This is the new excuse for '15. We're a "team" this year so the fans should buy in. I'm not buying in. Good coaches win with good talent. Bad coaches lose with good talent. Period.

Agreed.

I think that Flowers and Duke just lost respect for the coaches, with cause. Flowers got hurt against VT, stayed in, had surgery during the bye week, and mauled FSU a week later. If that's a me-guy, I want 21 more of those me-guys.

Duke was the model of "the Process" when he was a freshman. Did something change between his freshman and junior years? Maybe, but he still hit the weights, improved his speed every year, and broke rushing records. Seems like his Process was working for him.

It's bull**** that they chose this to be the rhetoric, but I think the rhetoric is just rhetoric (if that makes sense). It's clear that we had a late season collapse (insert any reason why we collapsed). They needed to attribute it to something. They chose the rhetoric they chose. True team first guys got thrown into the talk. It sucks. They could have taken a different approach that didn't unfairly label guys.

Maybe they chose that approach because they saw it as the most beneficial one for the future regardless of what it did to the players who left. Everything in the media is overwhelmingly pointing to vastly improved team chemistry, led by a budding star at QB. Is it even real? If it's real, is it going to be effective? How will we know? I guess this is the fun of closely following a team, even if things aren't going well. We might learn something.

Listen, this is no excuse to these coaches. But there are stories of Flowers blatantly telling his position coach (kehoe) to go fly a kite late in the season. He checked out and was ready to move on where he knew NFL riches awaited. As D$ said, I think he gave up on the process, with cause. At the end of the day, AG and his staff recruited these kids and it was their job to mold them into a team and win. Now fast forward to 2015, and the coach speak appears to be, "The ME guys are gone, and the TEAM guys are now here. Let's go win!" We'll see.

They say this every year , " buying in to the process"

 

[Cribby]

So because Golden opened up the team to Carter and your family at some point and brought them to practices or whatever else, he is a bad guy because he doesn't continue to do so and doesn't continue to communicate with your family? Many programs and coaches wouldn't have done any of that in the first place, so they already went above and beyond what most programs do. There are hundreds of terribly sick children out there, should all of the families that the UM coaches don't keep tabs on be upset with them as well, or be upset because they chose to spend time with your family and not theirs? That Duke has formed a special relationship with Carter and has maintained that is wonderful, and a great reflection on Duke. That the coaching staff didn't maintain the relationship isn't a negative reflection on them.

You're missing the point here. I've been searching for the quote, but he was slated as saying that he would keep in contact, and I was asked pre Cincinnati in the interview about him saying that. He's never done it at all. They were upset at me saying we were family, and what I did wasn't what family does to each other.

What family doesn't check in on sick family?

Shouldn't family keep promises?

Isn't him calling out last year's players airing family business too?

Open your eyes man. Those are only a few questions. He shouldn't be doing things like this.

If it's really family, you keep these things in house.

Keeping the lines of contact open doesn't necessarily mean he is going to be the one doing the contacting. Did you contact them after that? Not saying he did or didn't, but it sounds like you are trying to hold them to the standard that Duke set, which is going way above and beyond the call of duty.

Also, at no point did he mention Duke being one of the "me" guys on the team, nor did the various other current players who have made similar statements about players giving up. So I have no idea whether Duke is even one of those they were talking about.

As for "calling out last year's players....that is done by many coaches. I've seen direct quotes from Meyer, Saban, many others pointing out that there were elements in the team that were a problem to team chemistry, and stating that the team in a particular season is much better off chemistry-wise than the year before after some players moved on (Saban even used the "energy vampires" term to refer to some of those players). At no point were specific players named nor did they say that it was every player that left, but that there was a very real locker room problem and team chemistry problem with a subset of players is something that has been stated many times by players as well as the coaching staff.

Only Al's mother would dare to compare him to Saba and Urban -- unless you are talking about slimy. Those guys are explaining why a team lost one game instead of going undefeated or finished 5th one year. Golden has been throwing players under the bus since the K State game exposed his rancid defense and his boyfriend. Duke under the bus as early as the USF game to cover his lack of QB talent in his third year.

DHucks is speaking from personal experience while you seem to speak from an unnatural love affair with Al. I use to support him but the constant pitching of players under nearest bus drove me away. NOT ONCE has the man even implied that coaches needed to do better or find another job but he persist in blaming players and fans for all his failures. Open your eyes and see.

Absolute BS. While Golden has underperformed, he has not "thrown players under the bus" any more than any other coach does every day, every season. That's a little narrative some of you have jumped on because you have to make up as many scenarios as possible to whine about. Your vision is so black and white that there can never be more than one problem. The reality is, while Golden has not done a great job, there is definitely blame to go around for some of the players as well.

Just stop

 

[WestEndZone]

So because Golden opened up the team to Carter and your family at some point and brought them to practices or whatever else, he is a bad guy because he doesn't continue to do so and doesn't continue to communicate with your family? Many programs and coaches wouldn't have done any of that in the first place, so they already went above and beyond what most programs do. There are hundreds of terribly sick children out there, should all of the families that the UM coaches don't keep tabs on be upset with them as well, or be upset because they chose to spend time with your family and not theirs? That Duke has formed a special relationship with Carter and has maintained that is wonderful, and a great reflection on Duke. That the coaching staff didn't maintain the relationship isn't a negative reflection on them.

You're missing the point here. I've been searching for the quote, but he was slated as saying that he would keep in contact, and I was asked pre Cincinnati in the interview about him saying that. He's never done it at all. They were upset at me saying we were family, and what I did wasn't what family does to each other.

What family doesn't check in on sick family?

Shouldn't family keep promises?

Isn't him calling out last year's players airing family business too?

Open your eyes man. Those are only a few questions. He shouldn't be doing things like this.

If it's really family, you keep these things in house.

Keeping the lines of contact open doesn't necessarily mean he is going to be the one doing the contacting. Did you contact them after that? Not saying he did or didn't, but it sounds like you are trying to hold them to the standard that Duke set, which is going way above and beyond the call of duty.

Also, at no point did he mention Duke being one of the "me" guys on the team, nor did the various other current players who have made similar statements about players giving up. So I have no idea whether Duke is even one of those they were talking about.

As for "calling out last year's players....that is done by many coaches. I've seen direct quotes from Meyer, Saban, many others pointing out that there were elements in the team that were a problem to team chemistry, and stating that the team in a particular season is much better off chemistry-wise than the year before after some players moved on (Saban even used the "energy vampires" term to refer to some of those players). At no point were specific players named nor did they say that it was every player that left, but that there was a very real locker room problem and team chemistry problem with a subset of players is something that has been stated many times by players as well as the coaching staff.

Only Al's mother would dare to compare him to Saba and Urban -- unless you are talking about slimy. Those guys are explaining why a team lost one game instead of going undefeated or finished 5th one year. Golden has been throwing players under the bus since the K State game exposed his rancid defense and his boyfriend. Duke under the bus as early as the USF game to cover his lack of QB talent in his third year.

DHucks is speaking from personal experience while you seem to speak from an unnatural love affair with Al. I use to support him but the constant pitching of players under nearest bus drove me away. NOT ONCE has the man even implied that coaches needed to do better or find another job but he persist in blaming players and fans for all his failures. Open your eyes and see.

Absolute BS. While Golden has underperformed, he has not "thrown players under the bus" any more than any other coach does every day, every season. That's a little narrative some of you have jumped on because you have to make up as many scenarios as possible to whine about. Your vision is so black and white that there can never be more than one problem. The reality is, while Golden has not done a great job, there is definitely blame to go around for some of the players as well.

It must be necessary to them. It all matches up. They keep saying that they want the coastal. They knew they blew a chance at the coastal last year after that collapse. They want the team to keep playing after another eventual crushing loss. They probably feel as if these seniors who "quit" cost them a shot at making progress as a program. It's unfair considering what some of those kids sacrificed and what they went through during their careers. If **** is bad right now, **** was much worse a few years back. If it's real and effective, then I guess it's justified? Is it ever justified?

 

[WestEndZone]

The staff would never say it, but Eric Flowers would have been at the top of the list, followed closely by Duke Johnson.

This is the new excuse for '15. We're a "team" this year so the fans should buy in. I'm not buying in. Good coaches win with good talent. Bad coaches lose with good talent. Period.

Agreed.

I think that Flowers and Duke just lost respect for the coaches, with cause. Flowers got hurt against VT, stayed in, had surgery during the bye week, and mauled FSU a week later. If that's a me-guy, I want 21 more of those me-guys.

Duke was the model of "the Process" when he was a freshman. Did something change between his freshman and junior years? Maybe, but he still hit the weights, improved his speed every year, and broke rushing records. Seems like his Process was working for him.

It's bull**** that they chose this to be the rhetoric, but I think the rhetoric is just rhetoric (if that makes sense). It's clear that we had a late season collapse (insert any reason why we collapsed). They needed to attribute it to something. They chose the rhetoric they chose. True team first guys got thrown into the talk. It sucks. They could have taken a different approach that didn't unfairly label guys.

Maybe they chose that approach because they saw it as the most beneficial one for the future regardless of what it did to the players who left. Everything in the media is overwhelmingly pointing to vastly improved team chemistry, led by a budding star at QB. Is it even real? If it's real, is it going to be effective? How will we know? I guess this is the fun of closely following a team, even if things aren't going well. We might learn something.

Listen, this is no excuse to these coaches. But there are stories of Flowers blatantly telling his position coach (kehoe) to go fly a kite late in the season. He checked out and was ready to move on where he knew NFL riches awaited. As D$ said, I think he gave up on the process, with cause. At the end of the day, AG and his staff recruited these kids and it was their job to mold them into a team and win. Now fast forward to 2015, and the coach speak appears to be, "The ME guys are gone, and the TEAM guys are now here. Let's go win!" We'll see.

They say this every year , " buying in to the process"

They do say it ever year, but this time around its way louder and they're not phrasing it the same way. Almost every interview with every person is all about accountability and chemistry--even nationally. It can very well be recycled bull****, but there's no denying that it's much louder than it's ever been.

Even if it's real this time around, is it even effective? How much does team chemistry and accountability take us? What will they say if we are not successful? Will it matter? ....is the season here yet? lol

 

[WhatTheHell]

Absolute BS. While Golden has underperformed, he has not "thrown players under the bus" any more than any other coach does every day, every season. That's a little narrative some of you have jumped on because you have to make up as many scenarios as possible to whine about. Your vision is so black and white that there can never be more than one problem. The reality is, while Golden has not done a great job, there is definitely blame to go around for some of the players as well.

We are witnessing a man lose his mind.

Despite being a nobody from Maryland, you are in a thread claiming you heard from players that we had "me first guys" in the locker room. In another thread, you said "Actually that comes from the players more than the coaches. Multiple current players have made comments about how toxic the locker room became."

Yet here we are, with D$ and Kyle - two South Florida guys that are actually connected to players and coaches inside the program - saying the exact opposite, but it's other people that are making up scenarios?

You're either insane or a liar creating false information to support your cult hero. Get a ******* grip, weirdo. You should be banned.

 

[77cane]

So because Golden opened up the team to Carter and your family at some point and brought them to practices or whatever else, he is a bad guy because he doesn't continue to do so and doesn't continue to communicate with your family? Many programs and coaches wouldn't have done any of that in the first place, so they already went above and beyond what most programs do. There are hundreds of terribly sick children out there, should all of the families that the UM coaches don't keep tabs on be upset with them as well, or be upset because they chose to spend time with your family and not theirs? That Duke has formed a special relationship with Carter and has maintained that is wonderful, and a great reflection on Duke. That the coaching staff didn't maintain the relationship isn't a negative reflection on them.

You're missing the point here. I've been searching for the quote, but he was slated as saying that he would keep in contact, and I was asked pre Cincinnati in the interview about him saying that. He's never done it at all. They were upset at me saying we were family, and what I did wasn't what family does to each other.

What family doesn't check in on sick family?

Shouldn't family keep promises?

Isn't him calling out last year's players airing family business too?

Open your eyes man. Those are only a few questions. He shouldn't be doing things like this.

If it's really family, you keep these things in house.

Keeping the lines of contact open doesn't necessarily mean he is going to be the one doing the contacting. Did you contact them after that? Not saying he did or didn't, but it sounds like you are trying to hold them to the standard that Duke set, which is going way above and beyond the call of duty.

Also, at no point did he mention Duke being one of the "me" guys on the team, nor did the various other current players who have made similar statements about players giving up. So I have no idea whether Duke is even one of those they were talking about.

As for "calling out last year's players....that is done by many coaches. I've seen direct quotes from Meyer, Saban, many others pointing out that there were elements in the team that were a problem to team chemistry, and stating that the team in a particular season is much better off chemistry-wise than the year before after some players moved on (Saban even used the "energy vampires" term to refer to some of those players). At no point were specific players named nor did they say that it was every player that left, but that there was a very real locker room problem and team chemistry problem with a subset of players is something that has been stated many times by players as well as the coaching staff.

Only Al's mother would dare to compare him to Saba and Urban -- unless you are talking about slimy. Those guys are explaining why a team lost one game instead of going undefeated or finished 5th one year. Golden has been throwing players under the bus since the K State game exposed his rancid defense and his boyfriend. Duke under the bus as early as the USF game to cover his lack of QB talent in his third year.

DHucks is speaking from personal experience while you seem to speak from an unnatural love affair with Al. I use to support him but the constant pitching of players under nearest bus drove me away. NOT ONCE has the man even implied that coaches needed to do better or find another job but he persist in blaming players and fans for all his failures. Open your eyes and see.

Exactly. I wanted to believe he was different than what he was being made out to be. I really, wholeheartedly wanted to. But, what happened to us, was exactly what he was made to be.

While the cameras were on and we were present, he was awesome. When we weren't there and cameras weren't on, he was a ghost.

After the VT game, nearly every staff member sought us out to tell us thanks for coming, and by us I mean my wife and I. I personally had to search for Golden. When I found him, he was on the bus. I was allowed to step on to say congrats and thanks for having us, but he just nodded his head, gave a half smile and went back to what he was doing. I found the exchange very, very odd. Now I find it fitting.

Guess he was blocking out the noise.

I hope your son is doing well.
While I do not care for the overall coaching performance of the team, the fact is you would not have had access to the players without Golden's consent. Don' t let your opinion be shaped by a bunch of miserable Internet posters. Making negative comments after you were given the opportunity to spend time with the team comes across as ungrateful. I am sure you are not. Sometimes perception is stronger than reality.
Your sons health and happiness is more important than our opinions or the wins and losses of a football team. I know many are pulling for him.
Blessings to you and your family.

 

[GoldenOfrio Sucks]

Absolute BS. While Golden has underperformed, he has not "thrown players under the bus" any more than any other coach does every day, every season. That's a little narrative some of you have jumped on because you have to make up as many scenarios as possible to whine about. Your vision is so black and white that there can never be more than one problem. The reality is, while Golden has not done a great job, there is definitely blame to go around for some of the players as well.

We are witnessing a man lose his mind.

Despite being a nobody from Maryland, you are in a thread claiming you heard from players that we had "me first guys" in the locker room. In another thread, you said "Actually that comes from the players more than the coaches. Multiple current players have made comments about how toxic the locker room became."

Yet here we are, with D$ and Kyle - two South Florida guys that are actually connected to players and coaches inside the program - saying the exact opposite, but it's other people that are making up scenarios?

You're either insane or a liar creating false information to support your cult hero. Get a ****ing grip, weirdo. You should be banned.

Most Golden fluffers are all over the board with their litany of excuses. They are one step away from finger painting with their own *****.

 

[Tad Footeball]

This is making me sick but I'm almost agreeing with DK here. Let's just hope ShalalaShillInHeelCountry doesn't show up.

You can rightfully criticize this staff but it's very hard to find a specific instance where they threw an individual kid under the bus. Alfredo consistently refuses to accept real responsibility for his failures but even he is aware enough to realize that if he started blasting kids by name that this team would have blown up publicly.

I personally believe there probably were some "Me" guys on the roster. Guess what though? Golden either put em there, rode with them or actually created them by losing so much. This isn't a chicken or egg type situation though. It's not a deal where "Did we lose because of selfish players or did the losing cause the selfishness to arise?." We're way past that point in Captain Al's tenure. You recruited these kids, pal. You supposedly get them to "buy-in" every year when they report to school as freshmen. You don't get to complain about the ingredients being flawed when you've been the freakin' farmer and chef for this long.

 

[fincane]

Absolute BS. While Golden has underperformed, he has not "thrown players under the bus" any more than any other coach does every day, every season. That's a little narrative some of you have jumped on because you have to make up as many scenarios as possible to whine about. Your vision is so black and white that there can never be more than one problem. The reality is, while Golden has not done a great job, there is definitely blame to go around for some of the players as well.

We are witnessing a man lose his mind.

Despite being a nobody from Maryland, you are in a thread claiming you heard from players that we had "me first guys" in the locker room. In another thread, you said "Actually that comes from the players more than the coaches. Multiple current players have made comments about how toxic the locker room became."

Yet here we are, with D$ and Kyle - two South Florida guys that are actually connected to players and coaches inside the program - saying the exact opposite, but it's other people that are making up scenarios?

You're either insane or a liar creating false information to support your cult hero. Get a ****ing grip, weirdo. You should be banned.

Kyle and DMoney aren't talking to everybody. I don't know whats true and what isn't but every time a player opens their mouth it is about more unity and team chemistry. We either have a whole lot of guys just lying and Golden is no longer just a bad football coach but is also now a tremendous cult leader or there were some issues last year on the team as far as unity. I haven't heard a current player blame the guys from last year. Only that the team as a whole is closer.

Shane Mcdermott actually did call people selfish and entitled:
Lack of effort by UM players last season was a problem cited by another player in this space last week, and 2014 Hurricanes center Shane McDermott told The Ticket last week that some players felt “entitled” and “we had a lot of selfishness that we needed to get rid of.”

Shane McDermott said when he visited campus to see his brother (UM tackle Kc McDermott) last week, it was “the hardest I’ve seen them work in a while.”

Tracy Howard says big change has happened inside UM team; UM football personnel talk; Heat trade talk and personnel chatter, Dolphins, Marlins | Sports Buzz

He doesn't have anything to gain by saying it. There was probably a problem. Not bigger than the Al Golden problem though.

 

[D_G87]

Both of you cant be serious. I never said he was the best RB to come out of The U, but he's definitely one "of" the greats. Duke was one of maybe 4 players who have looked Elite since this incompetent coaching staff has been here. Every other great "RB" had a far better team and far better coaching. He wasted 4 years of his career with constantly bad teams and bad coaching. Don't disrespect that man.

hahahahahahah Duke soft? hahahahahaha. There really are complete idiots on this website.

As far as Duke goes, I'll be the first to say he's overrated....in comparison to our all-time great backs and that he was soft and lacked durability.....in certain situations......BUT none of that is an indictment on his character. You can't label someone a "Me" guy because his momma ran her mouth publicly once. Outside of that episode, we have no concrete info either way to determine anything in relation to the the locker room dynamic. In fact, we've been junk for so long that any corch would spout the same crap as Alfredo about improvement in attitude over the previous season(s). That's a given when there hasn't been a team in a decade plus that could be held in high regard as something to try to replicate. Every freakin' year has to be a "new" beginning for us.

Nahhhhh, you're right. He was never on the sideline during important moments of important (relatively speaking) games. He's the back you'd want to pick from all of our greats if you had one drive left to win a game. And then there's this. Some of you guys wanna get moist to Ed Reed showing legit toughness in that famous speech. You think him or any of those greats would have been rendered useless like this? Like I said, I don't question him as a team guy or his character but propping Duke up as an all time great just means you're either new to following this team or somehow think it makes you a better fan or you're a local that has more allegiance to certain neighborhoods and high school teams than you do this program. If ya just hate Alfredo there are plenty of other ways to make that case.

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[Tad Footeball]

Both of you cant be serious. I never said he was the best RB to come out of The U, but he's definitely one "of" the greats. Duke was one of maybe 4 players who have looked Elite since this incompetent coaching staff has been here. Every other great "RB" had a far better team and far better coaching. He wasted 4 years of his career with constantly bad teams and bad coaching. Don't disrespect that man.

hahahahahahah Duke soft? hahahahahaha. There really are complete idiots on this website.

As far as Duke goes, I'll be the first to say he's overrated....in comparison to our all-time great backs and that he was soft and lacked durability.....in certain situations......BUT none of that is an indictment on his character. You can't label someone a "Me" guy because his momma ran her mouth publicly once. Outside of that episode, we have no concrete info either way to determine anything in relation to the the locker room dynamic. In fact, we've been junk for so long that any corch would spout the same crap as Alfredo about improvement in attitude over the previous season(s). That's a given when there hasn't been a team in a decade plus that could be held in high regard as something to try to replicate. Every freakin' year has to be a "new" beginning for us.

Nahhhhh, you're right. He was never on the sideline during important moments of important (relatively speaking) games. He's the back you'd want to pick from all of our greats if you had one drive left to win a game. And then there's this. Some of you guys wanna get moist to Ed Reed showing legit toughness in that famous speech. You think him or any of those greats would have been rendered useless like this? Like I said, I don't question him as a team guy or his character but propping Duke up as an all time great just means you're either new to following this team or somehow think it makes you a better fan or you're a local that has more allegiance to certain neighborhoods and high school teams than you do this program. If ya just hate Alfredo there are plenty of other ways to make that case.

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I won't argue with you that he was a "great" under this staff. I personally put him at the top of the tier below our all-time greats though. That's where we could have a debate. I find it more disrespectful to those all-time players to automatically throw him in there with them. Too many fumbles. Too many times on the sideline either hurt, head down or emotionally destroyed to get an automatic bid into that group.

 

[Paranos]

Bottom line, we need more bottom squeezers.

Asked an thou hast received.