"Me Guys"

[brock]

Golden is ridiculous. Never seen a coach deflect so much criticism and not to think for one second that it is justified

@AKuperstein: Blades says he had lunch w/Golden "His whole thing is, these kids dont have the heart we once had when we played in the 80's, 90's and 00's"

Might be true considering a player from last year team said players had to be persuaded to play hard.. But still

 

[Angry Ibis]

Golden is ridiculous. Never seen a coach deflect so much criticism and not to think for one second that it is justified

@AKuperstein: Blades says he had lunch w/Golden "His whole thing is, these kids dont have the heart we once had when we played in the 80's, 90's and 00's"

Might be true considering a player from last year team said players had to be persuaded to play hard.. But still

So two people had lunch discussing how the generation of players doesn't have the work ethic they had back in the day and this is news to anyone?

Golden can suck as a coach and the players can still lack the same work ethic, but it is the coach's job to react to that laziness and get the most out of the players. Obviously not happening. This is not news.

 

[Odin]

weird how it isn't just the coaches, but the players who agree and say it as well.

But the players are lying , right?

Bunch of idiots on here!

Even if it were true that some of last years players were me guys or selfish or whatever,Golden as the head coach should have never made it public.That should have kept in house but he went public with it because he was getting bombarded from every angle during the draft when the national media kept asking him how he went 6-7 with 3 of the top 80 guys drafted and having the 2nd or 3rd most drafted from any school.All he had to say was we as coaches need to do a better job and I wish these guys nothing but the best but Golden will never accept any responsibility for his failures.

 

[DHucks]

weird how it isn't just the coaches, but the players who agree and say it as well.

But the players are lying , right?

Bunch of idiots on here!

Even if it were true that some of last years players were me guys or selfish or whatever,Golden as the head coach should have never made it public.That should have kept in house but he went public with it because he was getting bombarded from every angle during the draft when the national media kept asking him how he went 6-7 with 3 of the top 80 guys drafted and having the 2nd or 3rd most drafted from any school.All he had to say was we as coaches need to do a better job and I wish these guys nothing but the best but Golden will never accept any responsibility for his failures.

End thread.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Kills yourself IMMEDIATELY if you're buying into this "me guys" narrative because you're a danger to society and will only wind up spawning more feeble-minded idiots like yourselves. Do the right thing and kill yourself.

Apologies dear chap. Didn't mean to neg.

DK had me on a negging spree.

 

[fincane]

weird how it isn't just the coaches, but the players who agree and say it as well.

But the players are lying , right?

Bunch of idiots on here!

Even if it were true that some of last years players were me guys or selfish or whatever,Golden as the head coach should have never made it public.That should have kept in house but he went public with it because he was getting bombarded from every angle during the draft when the national media kept asking him how he went 6-7 with 3 of the top 80 guys drafted and having the 2nd or 3rd most drafted from any school.All he had to say was we as coaches need to do a better job and I wish these guys nothing but the best but Golden will never accept any responsibility for his failures.

The national media didn't ask him **** during the draft because he was hiding. They posed those questions on twitter and in articles but Golden was never available to answer them. Just like he was hiding at the end of the season. He pleaded ignorance when he finally was confronted with Chickillo's comments explaining his lack of production at Miami.

This whole team unity stuff didn't start on twitter and from the players until the summer. He actually refuses to talk about last year because there is no way to spin it. He'll talk about this being a new year and the team is closer. He is smart enough not to expressly blame anyone who isn't around. You can't find a quote of him pointing to guys who aren't here anymore. At least I haven't heard or seen it yet.

He'll say the team unity thing started in the summer where guys were ****ed because they had to run extra because one guy kept messing up. The players themselves said enough is enough. Now we have hashtags everywhere.

 

[Rellyrell]

Al is the epitome of a me-guy. That's what's so comical about his "obversations" of the team.

-He refuses to change up his scheme to fit his personnel.
-He left us high and dry in the heat of last year's recruiting cycle to pursue another gig without notifying our admin
-He refused to explain the situation to recruits, their parents, current players, or even his bosses
-He refused a negotiable, and sensible buyout for the betterment of the team
-Has refused to accept any responsibility for on-field production; rather he has blamed the team, social media, television scheduling, the cloud, the university, rain, and wind as all means to justify why he has lost every single winnable game.

Fact.

you do realize that none of what you wrote is fact. You confuse your suppositions with facts, and like many of the people on here, you seem to think that if you say it, write it, or preach it enough times that your opinions will actually morph into truths.

Not so.

[MENTION=5532]rudebuddha[/MENTION]: homie, shut up. we all got facts, you just got a golden's piece in your mouth.

 

[Odin]

weird how it isn't just the coaches, but the players who agree and say it as well.

But the players are lying , right?

Bunch of idiots on here!

Even if it were true that some of last years players were me guys or selfish or whatever,Golden as the head coach should have never made it public.That should have kept in house but he went public with it because he was getting bombarded from every angle during the draft when the national media kept asking him how he went 6-7 with 3 of the top 80 guys drafted and having the 2nd or 3rd most drafted from any school.All he had to say was we as coaches need to do a better job and I wish these guys nothing but the best but Golden will never accept any responsibility for his failures.

The national media didn't ask him **** during the draft because he was hiding. They posed those questions on twitter and in articles but Golden was never available to answer them. Just like he was hiding at the end of the season. He pleaded ignorance when he finally was confronted with Chickillo's comments explaining his lack of production at Miami.

This whole team unity stuff didn't start on twitter and from the players until the summer. He actually refuses to talk about last year because there is no way to spin it. He'll talk about this being a new year and the team is closer. He is smart enough not to expressly blame anyone who isn't around. You can't find a quote of him pointing to guys who aren't here anymore. At least I haven't heard or seen it yet.

He'll say the team unity thing started in the summer where guys were ****ed because they had to run extra because one guy kept messing up. The players themselves said enough is enough. Now we have hashtags everywhere.

I agree about him hiding and avoiding questions about last year by saying he's only focussed on this season.But after the draft I heard him in a couple different interviews where they asked him about going 6-7 with so many draftees and both times he answered with this is their time and I don't want to take away their shine or anything from their moment,basically stating if he were to answer why he went 6-7 he has to take shots at these guys who just got drafted.

 

[GoldenOfrio Sucks]

***** AL GOLDEN!!!

 

[Cane2]

Keeping the lines of contact open doesn't necessarily mean he is going to be the one doing the contacting. Did you contact them after that? Not saying he did or didn't, but it sounds like you are trying to hold them to the standard that Duke set, which is going way above and beyond the call of duty.

Also, at no point did he mention Duke being one of the "me" guys on the team, nor did the various other current players who have made similar statements about players giving up. So I have no idea whether Duke is even one of those they were talking about.

As for "calling out last year's players....that is done by many coaches. I've seen direct quotes from Meyer, Saban, many others pointing out that there were elements in the team that were a problem to team chemistry, and stating that the team in a particular season is much better off chemistry-wise than the year before after some players moved on (Saban even used the "energy vampires" term to refer to some of those players). At no point were specific players named nor did they say that it was every player that left, but that there was a very real locker room problem and team chemistry problem with a subset of players is something that has been stated many times by players as well as the coaching staff.

Only Al's mother would dare to compare him to Saba and Urban -- unless you are talking about slimy. Those guys are explaining why a team lost one game instead of going undefeated or finished 5th one year. Golden has been throwing players under the bus since the K State game exposed his rancid defense and his boyfriend. Duke under the bus as early as the USF game to cover his lack of QB talent in his third year.

DHucks is speaking from personal experience while you seem to speak from an unnatural love affair with Al. I use to support him but the constant pitching of players under nearest bus drove me away. NOT ONCE has the man even implied that coaches needed to do better or find another job but he persist in blaming players and fans for all his failures. Open your eyes and see.

Exactly. I wanted to believe he was different than what he was being made out to be. I really, wholeheartedly wanted to. But, what happened to us, was exactly what he was made to be.

While the cameras were on and we were present, he was awesome. When we weren't there and cameras weren't on, he was a ghost.

After the VT game, nearly every staff member sought us out to tell us thanks for coming, and by us I mean my wife and I. I personally had to search for Golden. When I found him, he was on the bus. I was allowed to step on to say congrats and thanks for having us, but he just nodded his head, gave a half smile and went back to what he was doing. I found the exchange very, very odd. Now I find it fitting.

Guess he was blocking out the noise.

I hope your son is doing well.
While I do not care for the overall coaching performance of the team, the fact is you would not have had access to the players without Golden's consent. Don' t let your opinion be shaped by a bunch of miserable Internet posters. Making negative comments after you were given the opportunity to spend time with the team comes across as ungrateful. I am sure you are not. Sometimes perception is stronger than reality.
Your sons health and happiness is more important than our opinions or the wins and losses of a football team. I know many are pulling for him.
Blessings to you and your family.

You think I'm concerned with folks perception of me being ungrateful? At the expense of the truth?

He is what he is point blank. Access aside, it doesn't excuse what happened or what is happening. Dude is a straight "Me guy". Carter and our experience have nothing to do with that.

Dude talks family, he needs to walk with his talk. Something he hasn't done a lot of.

Golden was not a coach for anyone or for players to rally around at time of adversity; all Football loss is adversity.

Your son and his spirit is one force the team rallied around and I believe it led to solid and inspiring performance. Your experience with Golden at the bus is telling and perhaps a reflection that Golden likes not which shines glory away from him as tho he'd be some great savior/genius. When your son was out of some circulation (medically necessary at that time) for treatment and correction, the team was also not winning games. And as Golden fears & incompetence tanked the FSU game, players had nothing strong anymore to rally around except for themselves. After that there was no more team since the Head of the team let them down. Golden let the team down, yes, and players questioned the team's resolve. Golden is not a strong person when the lights are out. His responses with the Hunter Knighton may have to do with mitigation and self-preservation as the heat problem could have gone back on Golden and UM as liability to his future and UM; but he and even his spouse played the truly caring role there. By the end of the season and those last 4 games, players might have not had much more to play for but for themselves...

 

[capefearcane]

I live in NC, as such - all the local radio, newspapers, etc. Run stuff about UMC, NCS, DUKE ECU, etc. Guess what, all the coaching interviews sound just like Golden. Kids are buying in to the program, working hard, yada, yada. SOS different day.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

You're missing the point here. I've been searching for the quote, but he was slated as saying that he would keep in contact, and I was asked pre Cincinnati in the interview about him saying that. He's never done it at all. They were upset at me saying we were family, and what I did wasn't what family does to each other.

What family doesn't check in on sick family?

Shouldn't family keep promises?

Isn't him calling out last year's players airing family business too?

Open your eyes man. Those are only a few questions. He shouldn't be doing things like this.

If it's really family, you keep these things in house.

Keeping the lines of contact open doesn't necessarily mean he is going to be the one doing the contacting. Did you contact them after that? Not saying he did or didn't, but it sounds like you are trying to hold them to the standard that Duke set, which is going way above and beyond the call of duty.

Also, at no point did he mention Duke being one of the "me" guys on the team, nor did the various other current players who have made similar statements about players giving up. So I have no idea whether Duke is even one of those they were talking about.

As for "calling out last year's players....that is done by many coaches. I've seen direct quotes from Meyer, Saban, many others pointing out that there were elements in the team that were a problem to team chemistry, and stating that the team in a particular season is much better off chemistry-wise than the year before after some players moved on (Saban even used the "energy vampires" term to refer to some of those players). At no point were specific players named nor did they say that it was every player that left, but that there was a very real locker room problem and team chemistry problem with a subset of players is something that has been stated many times by players as well as the coaching staff.

Only Al's mother would dare to compare him to Saba and Urban -- unless you are talking about slimy. Those guys are explaining why a team lost one game instead of going undefeated or finished 5th one year. Golden has been throwing players under the bus since the K State game exposed his rancid defense and his boyfriend. Duke under the bus as early as the USF game to cover his lack of QB talent in his third year.

DHucks is speaking from personal experience while you seem to speak from an unnatural love affair with Al. I use to support him but the constant pitching of players under nearest bus drove me away. NOT ONCE has the man even implied that coaches needed to do better or find another job but he persist in blaming players and fans for all his failures. Open your eyes and see.

Exactly. I wanted to believe he was different than what he was being made out to be. I really, wholeheartedly wanted to. But, what happened to us, was exactly what he was made to be.

While the cameras were on and we were present, he was awesome. When we weren't there and cameras weren't on, he was a ghost.

After the VT game, nearly every staff member sought us out to tell us thanks for coming, and by us I mean my wife and I. I personally had to search for Golden. When I found him, he was on the bus. I was allowed to step on to say congrats and thanks for having us, but he just nodded his head, gave a half smile and went back to what he was doing. I found the exchange very, very odd. Now I find it fitting.

Guess he was blocking out the noise.

I hope your son is doing well.
While I do not care for the overall coaching performance of the team, the fact is you would not have had access to the players without Golden's consent. Don' t let your opinion be shaped by a bunch of miserable Internet posters. Making negative comments after you were given the opportunity to spend time with the team comes across as ungrateful. I am sure you are not. Sometimes perception is stronger than reality.
Your sons health and happiness is more important than our opinions or the wins and losses of a football team. I know many are pulling for him.
Blessings to you and your family.

The old "backhanded compliment" couched in benevolent wishes eh?

Well played.

 

[DHucks]

Only Al's mother would dare to compare him to Saba and Urban -- unless you are talking about slimy. Those guys are explaining why a team lost one game instead of going undefeated or finished 5th one year. Golden has been throwing players under the bus since the K State game exposed his rancid defense and his boyfriend. Duke under the bus as early as the USF game to cover his lack of QB talent in his third year.

DHucks is speaking from personal experience while you seem to speak from an unnatural love affair with Al. I use to support him but the constant pitching of players under nearest bus drove me away. NOT ONCE has the man even implied that coaches needed to do better or find another job but he persist in blaming players and fans for all his failures. Open your eyes and see.

Exactly. I wanted to believe he was different than what he was being made out to be. I really, wholeheartedly wanted to. But, what happened to us, was exactly what he was made to be.

While the cameras were on and we were present, he was awesome. When we weren't there and cameras weren't on, he was a ghost.

After the VT game, nearly every staff member sought us out to tell us thanks for coming, and by us I mean my wife and I. I personally had to search for Golden. When I found him, he was on the bus. I was allowed to step on to say congrats and thanks for having us, but he just nodded his head, gave a half smile and went back to what he was doing. I found the exchange very, very odd. Now I find it fitting.

Guess he was blocking out the noise.

I hope your son is doing well.
While I do not care for the overall coaching performance of the team, the fact is you would not have had access to the players without Golden's consent. Don' t let your opinion be shaped by a bunch of miserable Internet posters. Making negative comments after you were given the opportunity to spend time with the team comes across as ungrateful. I am sure you are not. Sometimes perception is stronger than reality.
Your sons health and happiness is more important than our opinions or the wins and losses of a football team. I know many are pulling for him.
Blessings to you and your family.

You think I'm concerned with folks perception of me being ungrateful? At the expense of the truth?

He is what he is point blank. Access aside, it doesn't excuse what happened or what is happening. Dude is a straight "Me guy". Carter and our experience have nothing to do with that.

Dude talks family, he needs to walk with his talk. Something he hasn't done a lot of.

Golden was not a coach for anyone or for players to rally around at time of adversity; all Football loss is adversity.

Your son and his spirit is one force the team rallied around and I believe it led to solid and inspiring performance. Your experience with Golden at the bus is telling and perhaps a reflection that Golden likes not which shines glory away from him as tho he'd be some great savior/genius. When your son was out of some circulation (medically necessary at that time) for treatment and correction, the team was also not winning games. And as Golden fears & incompetence tanked the FSU game, players had nothing strong anymore to rally around except for themselves. After that there was no more team since the Head of the team let them down. Golden let the team down, yes, and players questioned the team's resolve. Golden is not a strong person when the lights are out. His responses with the Hunter Knighton may have to do with mitigation and self-preservation as the heat problem could have gone back on Golden and UM as liability to his future and UM; but he and even his spouse played the truly caring role there. By the end of the season and those last 4 games, players might have not had much more to play for but for themselves...

I've been scared of accepting what folks were calling the Carter factor, which we heard a lot at the VT game. I've always chalked it up to coincidence. Arguments could be made both ways. Appreciate you thinking so highly of Carter nonetheless.

 

[rudebuddha]

Al is the epitome of a me-guy. That's what's so comical about his "obversations" of the team.

-He refuses to change up his scheme to fit his personnel.
-He left us high and dry in the heat of last year's recruiting cycle to pursue another gig without notifying our admin
-He refused to explain the situation to recruits, their parents, current players, or even his bosses
-He refused a negotiable, and sensible buyout for the betterment of the team
-Has refused to accept any responsibility for on-field production; rather he has blamed the team, social media, television scheduling, the cloud, the university, rain, and wind as all means to justify why he has lost every single winnable game.

Fact.

you do realize that none of what you wrote is fact. You confuse your suppositions with facts, and like many of the people on here, you seem to think that if you say it, write it, or preach it enough times that your opinions will actually morph into truths.

Not so.

[MENTION=5532]rudebuddha[/MENTION]: homie, shut up. we all got facts, you just got a golden's piece in your mouth.

Once again, internet morons throw the insults without rhyme, reason, grammar or punctuation.

I do support the staff, but being a Hurricane Supporter doesn't necessarily mean that after 50 years of strict and quite active heterosexuality, I've decided to hop the fence.

 

[GoldenOfrio Sucks]

Al is the epitome of a me-guy. That's what's so comical about his "obversations" of the team.

-He refuses to change up his scheme to fit his personnel.
-He left us high and dry in the heat of last year's recruiting cycle to pursue another gig without notifying our admin
-He refused to explain the situation to recruits, their parents, current players, or even his bosses
-He refused a negotiable, and sensible buyout for the betterment of the team
-Has refused to accept any responsibility for on-field production; rather he has blamed the team, social media, television scheduling, the cloud, the university, rain, and wind as all means to justify why he has lost every single winnable game.

Fact.

you do realize that none of what you wrote is fact. You confuse your suppositions with facts, and like many of the people on here, you seem to think that if you say it, write it, or preach it enough times that your opinions will actually morph into truths.

Not so.

[MENTION=5532]rudebuddha[/MENTION]: homie, shut up. we all got facts, you just got a golden's piece in your mouth.

Once again, internet morons throw the insults without rhyme, reason, grammar or punctuation.

I do support the staff, but being a Hurricane Supporter doesn't necessarily mean that after 50 years of strict and quite active heterosexuality, I've decided to hop the fence.

Hey it's staph, not staff.

 

[Stingarov]

I don't think we're going to any games this year. As I read these things and reflect on our personal experience with Golden, I can't say I want to come down this season.

I'm disgusted by this. Duke a "Me" guy? Chick? Phillip? I watched these "Me" guys all but adopt Carter last season. Duke and his mother are the ONLY ones that kept up with Carter post make a wish. Not Golden, not Blake, not Donna, NOBODY but the "Me" guy and the his "loud mouthed" mom. Harry from AllCanes checked in but I don't count him as part of UM per se.

Then TheDude tried to slander me to turn me into what he was told, into a "Me" guy because of my comments post FSU.

I've never been so ticked about UM as I am right now. Have a ton of love for guys like Tracy, and Chad, who still reside on the team, and want to support them in person, but I'm beside myself right now.

Pathetic.

Golden is the fakest mother fvcker in college football.

His time at Miami is the last chance he'll ever have to cash big paychecks and he's showing what a scumbag he is, throwing kids under the bus and trashing their character to excuse his failures.

I know SMD reads these boards. Mrs. Susan, please ask Golden how Carter is doing, and when was the last he spoke with Carter or his family. I know the answer obviously, but what would be exposed, is who the real "Me" guy is.

So because Golden opened up the team to Carter and your family at some point and brought them to practices or whatever else, he is a bad guy because he doesn't continue to do so and doesn't continue to communicate with your family? Many programs and coaches wouldn't have done any of that in the first place, so they already went above and beyond what most programs do. There are hundreds of terribly sick children out there, should all of the families that the UM coaches don't keep tabs on be upset with them as well, or be upset because they chose to spend time with your family and not theirs? That Duke has formed a special relationship with Carter and has maintained that is wonderful, and a great reflection on Duke. That the coaching staff didn't maintain the relationship isn't a negative reflection on them.

Wow.

 

[nycane]

he also skipped the end of year press conference like a coward. just bring back butch already. this wouldnt even be and issue with him.

 

[01Canes]

he also skipped the end of year press conference like a coward. just bring back butch already. this wouldnt even be and issue with him.

Yes he did. Even took a shot at an enraged fan base with the infamous "everyone is too busy b****ing to accept the progress that has been made" quote in his exclusive interview with Ferman that was dropped at around midnight on a weekday. Used that platform as a substitute for facing the music publicly, even though the Miami media has generally been incredibly soft on him since his arrival.

Ducked like the player-blaming coward he is. He is spineless trash and it's sickening to see anyone refer to him as a good person.

 

[Hurricane Warrior]

Exactly. I wanted to believe he was different than what he was being made out to be. I really, wholeheartedly wanted to. But, what happened to us, was exactly what he was made to be.

While the cameras were on and we were present, he was awesome. When we weren't there and cameras weren't on, he was a ghost.

After the VT game, nearly every staff member sought us out to tell us thanks for coming, and by us I mean my wife and I. I personally had to search for Golden. When I found him, he was on the bus. I was allowed to step on to say congrats and thanks for having us, but he just nodded his head, gave a half smile and went back to what he was doing. I found the exchange very, very odd. Now I find it fitting.

Guess he was blocking out the noise.

I hope your son is doing well.
While I do not care for the overall coaching performance of the team, the fact is you would not have had access to the players without Golden's consent. Don' t let your opinion be shaped by a bunch of miserable Internet posters. Making negative comments after you were given the opportunity to spend time with the team comes across as ungrateful. I am sure you are not. Sometimes perception is stronger than reality.
Your sons health and happiness is more important than our opinions or the wins and losses of a football team. I know many are pulling for him.
Blessings to you and your family.

You think I'm concerned with folks perception of me being ungrateful? At the expense of the truth?

He is what he is point blank. Access aside, it doesn't excuse what happened or what is happening. Dude is a straight "Me guy". Carter and our experience have nothing to do with that.

Dude talks family, he needs to walk with his talk. Something he hasn't done a lot of.

Golden was not a coach for anyone or for players to rally around at time of adversity; all Football loss is adversity.

Your son and his spirit is one force the team rallied around and I believe it led to solid and inspiring performance. Your experience with Golden at the bus is telling and perhaps a reflection that Golden likes not which shines glory away from him as tho he'd be some great savior/genius. When your son was out of some circulation (medically necessary at that time) for treatment and correction, the team was also not winning games. And as Golden fears & incompetence tanked the FSU game, players had nothing strong anymore to rally around except for themselves. After that there was no more team since the Head of the team let them down. Golden let the team down, yes, and players questioned the team's resolve. Golden is not a strong person when the lights are out. His responses with the Hunter Knighton may have to do with mitigation and self-preservation as the heat problem could have gone back on Golden and UM as liability to his future and UM; but he and even his spouse played the truly caring role there. By the end of the season and those last 4 games, players might have not had much more to play for but for themselves...

I've been scared of accepting what folks were calling the Carter factor, which we heard a lot at the VT game. I've always chalked it up to coincidence. Arguments could be made both ways. Appreciate you thinking so highly of Carter nonetheless.

You have nothing to be scared of my friend, this is what the players and coaches deal with all the time including Duke. I respect you and thank you for sharing your honest opinion with us regarding your experience. Here is my honest opinion.

1. First of all, I never heard Golden or any of the staff mention who the "me" guys were from last year. People on the board are the ones saying it's the high profile guys like Duke and Denzel and blowing it out of proportion, but it's all speculation. All I heard from the coaches is the team is tighter, trust each other more, and communicate better. They are less selfish than last year. Duke's buddies like Tracy are the ones saying that. Herb admitted to not being mature in the past.

2. Did you check with Golden on how his wife was doing or how he was handling all the heat from the media and fans and the banners? Probably not, that does not mean you don't care about him. He simply is not your close friend. The team visits hospitals every year and there are a lot of people that have it worse than Carter and never got the opportunity to meet the team. I doubt Golden follows up on many of them to see how they are doing after. They do it to put a smile on the kids and to encourage them and get positive media coverage. He did his job by facilitating the visit, I'm sure Carter was more excited to meet the players than the coaches, anything more is entitlement from your side.

3. I'm sorry you were disappointed that he did not seek you and your wife out after the game... I don't know what to tell you, you are not the top priority for Golden, does that make him a bad person? I think it was very classy for you to seek him out and thank him, but to publicly complain that he did not come to look for you like everyone else and that he only gave a half smile and didn't stop what he was doing to get up and give you hand shake.... then to ask Susan to ask golden how is Carter? seriously...

 

[Foreman]

I dunno, maybe it's because I'm a 90s kid, but it's just crazy to me to hear all this unity kumbaya stuff. The greatest teams I can remember in the late 90s early 2000s had players sabotaging each other before spring games (JJ taking Najeh out for laps) , talking **** to each other (JJ to Portis, Portis to Willis), and threatening to beat each other's asses for getting out of line. If it works it works though.