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Mark Pope’s dismissal from JSU

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Canedude08 said:
There are a lot of wannabe sociopaths and sadists in society. They just wish they had the power to humiliate someone and get away with it. Hence why they are willing to support others doing it publicly, so they can live vicariously through them.
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For real dude.... Some sad freaking people out there...
 
305to954 said:
I’ll just say this..there’s a way you handle things. I like prime, but he was dead wrong in this. Yeah it’s funny..but ****

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Not saying you’re wrong but I disagree with the guy using the Saban quote to compare to this. Might sound crazy but as a coach, I’d much rather have the guy found by the police with a gun in his car than the guy being a lockerroom cancer on my team.
 
Rod Is Godly said:
Not saying you’re wrong but I disagree with the guy using the Saban quote to compare to this. Might sound crazy but as a coach, I’d much rather have the guy found by the police with a gun in his car than the guy being a lockerroom cancer on my team.
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I think his quote applies perfectly here. He was addressing reporters about something they wrote about a guy who ****ed up. Just like this video of pope, those reports will follow a kid. I get we and fans care about Ws and Ls but ppl get into coaching because they want to help young ppl..if a guy is a cancer and you need to rid them from your program, fine do that..but what prime pulled with that stunt was unnecessary. It was for the cameras. And that **** Will follow pope for life..nothing pope did deserves THAT. That’s all I’m saying
 
I hope Pope finds his way. He is a young man and young men make many mistakes. Heck, I'm an old man and I still make mistakes, lots of them, but you don't do a young man like that and expect him to become a real man. You can discipline the young man and if he continues to make mistakes, then you may have to put him off of the team, and that may very well be what happened here. But to do what Sanders did to him, in that fashion, may very well run that young man to the streets and straight into prison or death. Deon is not teaching that young man how to become a grown man in that way that we just saw. Deon calls him family and then kicks him out of the house, what if I would have done that to my son everytime he messed up. Deon's job is to mold that young man into becoming a grown man and he failed. Deon failed, not Pope. My opinion.
 
I didn't like how he embarrassed the young man. You do that privately behind closed doors. You don't publicly embarrass him for your TV show. That's BS. Plus, I believe there are players on that team that weren't cool with how Prime handled that situation.
 
Yoyo82 said:
We do need to stop referring to people like Pope as "kids" though.
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This is a fair point. But you still don’t do that man to man to anybody. He shaped that vote with how he talked about Pope. And then yelled at him to get out while everybody watched. He did that for show.

I have no problem if you wanna take a team vote. But just say what he did and then vote. And then say you know who you are, see me in my office. That’s how mature adults handle these things.
 
Yoyo82 said:
We do need to stop referring to people like Pope as "kids" though.
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I agree, he is not a kid but a young man. And it irks me too when people call 21 year olds kids.
However, he is very young and still has a lot of maturing to do, probably why he was dismissed.
But to humiliate anyone like that in the media whether it be kid, young person or older adult by a supposed mentor, leader and coach is classless and wrong. This is not how you handle personnel issues, when you are in charge.
I’m just surprised Pope handled it as well as he did. I would not have been able to handle a dressing down like that on TV as graciously as he did when I was in my early twenties.
Certainly, not on the same level of disrespect and embarrassment Pope went through but when I was young, just out of college and working for a financial firm. I can’t remember exactly what I did wrong, I think I was either late or made some mistake, can’t remember the details it was so long ago. The manager made a spectacle of it, on the floor in front of most of the company to embarrass me. I did not take kindly to it and let him know that in no uncertain terms. I told him I did not have a problem with him speaking to me about the issue or my performance or even being dismissed if he felt that what he needed to do. But that he was out of line discussing this in front of the company, especially since this was a first time offense. I remember when speaking to him, he wouldn’t look up and look me. He wasn’t expecting me to stand up to him and say anything back. After not looking at me for a while I asked him why he kept looking down at the floor and told him he was a coward. Surprisingly, I wasn’t fired right there on the spot as I was expecting. I ended up leaving the company for a better opportunity a few months later.
I learned some lessons that day.
When working in the real world, don’t be late and do what is expected of you, else you will be held accountable. Also learned, if you are being blantanly disrespected, it is best to stand up for your self or no one is going to respect you.
Thirdly, now that I’m managing teams of people, if I need to make changes or bring up performance issues, I’m going to let you know, but I will handle it in a respectful manner, even when I’m forced to dismiss someone.
At 21 years old, I would have lost my mind if someone did that to me on a TV show.
 
I believe Pope got his Master’s Degree from UM after this happened. If so, I suspect he will be fine.
 
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BoxingRobes said:
I think we also need to understand that Mark Pope signed up to be on a reality show. Something lost on 90% of the posters in this thread. He's an adult that chose to play there and be a part of the reality show.
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I wanted to ask about this without seemingly deflecting so glad you brought it up. Something tells me that these “kids” and “parents” were made aware of this documentary and that these things could be aired.
 
Mklein13 said:
Yep these aren't kids. They are young adults...last time I checked you are an adult at 18.
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Once you hit a certain age you refer to people in their 20’s as kids. Secondly age has nothing to do with what transpired. It’s f’d up regardless if it’s a 20 yo or a 30 yo. That was nothing but theatre for a documentary. Not teaching or discipline.
 
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