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MaRiO NeEds his OwN GuYs

SouthParkCane said:
But getting elite QB’s in itself is luck. Recruiting them is 1 thing but them being everything and more than you expect in their career is another. So yeah I give dabo the credit of landing those guys for sure. But Lincoln Riley went on a streak of landing the number 1 QB every year and it hasn’t panned out
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Good point. Getting them and then hitting probably does require some luck.
 
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SWFLHurricane said:
It's not panic...but the coaching and players responsibilities have been atrocious so far. By only winning 5 or 6 games (if that happens) will only make Mario's job/recruiting that much harder.
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Yes, and unfortunately he doesn’t have a style of play/coaching to lean on and show recruits “This is what you will be able to do, offensively” in the way Riley types do at USC. Recruiting elite talent is going to be difficult for Mario IMO. In the south he will be going head to head with Bama, UGA, Clemson, LSU and now UF boy plus the Ohio State types, TN has stepped up and have a fun product to sell….nationally I imagine Riley at USC will have QB’s and WR’s falling into his lap.

This idea that Mario is going to dominate recruiting is somewhat misguided. Coaches generally get a 1-2 year honeymoon window to sell recruits at top national schools. After that it’s “show me results”. It tends to snowball fast at the bigger schools. There is no hiding results and fanbases turn on you quickly.
 
Gsugradcanefan said:
you guys dont get tired of repeating this same drivel year after year, coaching staff after coaching staff. "we dont have the talent yet, just be patient and wait until coach x gets his guys in. then we'll really be rolling!" I mean that was said with Diaz, Richt, Golden, Shannon, and now Mario. The UM fanbase's slogan should be "hope springs eternal." Some fans choose to be optimistic, which is fine, but then there's a group of fans (myself included) who are tired of being blindly optimistic and are in "prove it" mode, which is also fine.
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But UGA wasn’t up & running 1st yr. Lol. It took two yrs for UGA to hit the pavement.

Listen my brother; we haven’t had many accomplished coaches come through here. So I know it may feel & sound like the same rhetoric chit, but it’s a bit different.
 
There sure is a miserable collection of impatient aholes that inhabit this site. It's difficult to determine if you're trolls or seriously can't put things into perspective. Maybe you're incapable of looking at things objectively and thinking logically.

I stated it previously I was a Lane Kiffin guy. I wanted him when they hired Sylvester (Manny). However, the powers that be decided Mario was the better fit for the job. I'm a little more trusting of this decision since the individuals involved didn't include Donna, Blake, or the other f*cking boneheads that's stuck us with all the bargain bin coaches we've been through since Butch left.

The guy is five **** games into his contract. He's not going anywhere anytime soon. Just like the rest of you I was ****ed about MTSU, but lets be honest if our guys show up we win that game going away. They took the team lightly, gave them extra confidence with turnovers early and it cost them. Can anyone look at that game and objectively not agree if we play that team ten times we beat them nine out of ten? Yes, ultimately that falls on Mario to have the team ready to play, but players at some point have to be held accountable. They are getting paid like professionals. With that comes baring some responsibility for the results. This is a pattern under the previous coach as well with some of these same players. Manny almost lost to Central Michigan then proceeded to lose to FIU, Duke, and La Tech to finish out 2019. Manny didn't get the hate that Mario is getting until about the end of year two.

I realize every team has dealt with injuries, but this team has been very injury plagued this year. Most I've seen from potential starters in a long time. Especially on one side of the ball.
  • Citizen - Out for the year
  • Chaney - Out for most the year
  • Zion - Out for majority of the year
  • Knighton - Dinged up first 2 games (Still doesn't look fully healthy)
  • X - Out for most likely rest of the year
  • Jacolby George - Out for multiple weeks
  • Jakai Clark - Was dinged up earlier in the year and Injured this weekend
  • Justice Oluwaseun - Injured (Likely out rest of the year)
  • Elijah Arroyo - Out for the rest of the year
That is two of our best all around game breaking running backs and also our best two receivers. That along with two of our best offensive lineman. We are not at a point where we have good previously developed depth right now to withstand injuries like above. You don't believe a line of Zion, Rivers, Clark, Scaife, and Campbell would not be generating push when we need a yard.

Main point is look at the whole picture, give the guy a break, and some time to turn this roster around with more portal additions and recruiting.
 
SouthParkCane said:
I think dabo is an outlier, who he really would have been had he not lucked into two all world QB’s back to back to set the foundation is very different. Kirby isn’t very impressive to me at all. Richt had that ship at 9 or 10 wins. Just don’t crash it. With more “support” they eventually got a chip but he didn’t build a thing
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Also the thing w Kirby is he could lose a dc and it not matter bc he’s also an elite dc. He also knows what to look for there. It’s not a coincidence that he struggled w ocs (he hired coley for gods sake)
 
Rellyrell said:
But UGA wasn’t up & running 1st yr. Lol. It took two yrs for UGA to hit the pavement.

Listen my brother; we haven’t had many accomplished coaches come through here. So I know it may feel & sound like the same rhetoric chit, but it’s a bit different.
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UGA made a title game in year 2. thats not hitting the pavement. thats going right to the top lol. also, Kirby is more elite as an assistant than Mario ever was.
 
kccanefan said:
There sure is a miserable collection of impatient aholes that inhabit this site. It's difficult to determine if you're trolls or seriously can't put things into perspective. Maybe you're incapable of looking at things objectively and thinking logically.

I stated it previously I was a Lane Kiffin guy. I wanted him when they hired Sylvester (Manny). However, the powers that be decided Mario was the better fit for the job. I'm a little more trusting of this decision since the individuals involved didn't include Donna, Blake, or the other f*cking boneheads that's stuck us with all the bargain bin coaches we've been through since Butch left.

The guy is five **** games into his contract. He's not going anywhere anytime soon. Just like the rest of you I was ****ed about MTSU, but lets be honest if our guys show up we win that game going away. They took the team lightly, gave them extra confidence with turnovers early and it cost them. Can anyone look at that game and objectively not agree if we play that team ten times we beat them nine out of ten? Yes, ultimately that falls on Mario to have the team ready to play, but players at some point have to be held accountable. They are getting paid like professionals. With that comes baring some responsibility for the results. This is a pattern under the previous coach as well with some of these same players. Manny almost lost to Central Michigan then proceeded to lose to FIU, Duke, and La Tech to finish out 2019. Manny didn't get the hate that Mario is getting until about the end of year two.

I realize every team has dealt with injuries, but this team has been very injury plagued this year. Most I've seen from potential starters in a long time. Especially on one side of the ball.
  • Citizen - Out for the year
  • Chaney - Out for most the year
  • Zion - Out for majority of the year
  • Knighton - Dinged up first 2 games (Still doesn't look fully healthy)
  • X - Out for most likely rest of the year
  • Jacolby George - Out for multiple weeks
  • Jakai Clark - Was dinged up earlier in the year and Injured this weekend
  • Justice Oluwaseun - Injured (Likely out rest of the year)
  • Elijah Arroyo - Out for the rest of the year
That is two of our best all around game breaking running backs and also our best two receivers. That along with two of our best offensive lineman. We are not at a point where we have good previously developed depth right now to withstand injuries like above. You don't believe a line of Zion, Rivers, Clark, Scaife, and Campbell would not be generating push when we need a yard.

Main point is look at the whole picture, give the guy a break, and some time to turn this roster around with more portal additions and recruiting.
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Chaney is never healthy. arroyo got 2 targets a game at best when healthy so he was seldom used as a pass catcher. justice is awful and thank god hes out.
 
hoops156 said:
Chaney is never healthy. arroyo got 2 targets a game at best when healthy so he was seldom used as a pass catcher. justice is awful and thank god hes out.
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If you don’t think those guys are difference makers, it’s hard to conduct a rational convo on canes football.
 
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hoops156 said:
Also the thing w Kirby is he could lose a dc and it not matter bc he’s also an elite dc. He also knows what to look for there. It’s not a coincidence that he struggled w ocs (he hired coley for gods sake)
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Don’t get it twisted , the defense is Kirby’s baby. He’s a really good defensive mind. Dabo is the outlier as in never calling plays or being a true X / O guy. Maybe Mario can be an outlier too.
 
Gocanes1990 said:
My Hurricane brother. UGA when Kirby came in vs miami with Mario coming in, are not comparable.
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On paper UGA had the 6th most talented team when Smart took over and had them in the title game within 2 yrs. On paper UM had the 13th most talented team in cfb when Cristobal took over and we're going to be lucky to make a bowl game. So did Mario get as good a situation as Smart? No. Was it so bad a situation that sitting at 2-3 with the only two wins being over FCS school at a mediocre G5 is excusable? NO.

And before the Cristo-bros start saying Smart didn't get a team with a bad culture so it's not an apples to apples comparison - the Diaz era was a continuation of the Richt era. Richt gave a full throated endorsement to hiring his DC. So trying to defend Cristobal by saying that Richt built a winning culture at UGA but immediately established a loser culture at UM (that Diaz continued) makes no logical sense.
 
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hoops156 said:
UGA made a title game in year 2. thats not hitting the pavement. thats going right to the top lol. also, Kirby is more elite as an assistant than Mario ever was.
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Richt did the same thing. Lol. That’s y we said it was eery how similar Richt & Smart’s career paralleled.

Yr 1:
Richt (8-4) v. Smart (8-5)

Yr 2:
Richt (13-1 winning SEC*) v. Smart (13-2 winning SEC)
*there was no CFP in 2001

Yr 3:
Richt (11-3 winning SECE) v. Smart (11-3 winning SECE)

Yr 4:
Richt (10-2) vs. Smart (12-2 winning SECE)

Yr 5:
Richt (10-3 winning SEC) v. Smart (8-2)

In 5 yrs:
Richt (52-13 w/ 3 SECE titles & 2 SEC titles)
Smart (52-14 w/ 3 SECE titles & SEC title)

The difference? Yr 6. Smart finally won it all.

All I’m saying is like Richt, Smart, Aranda, Mario (at a P5 program), etc is that they didn’t have shining glowing seasons yr 1. Ya’ll see Smart today, but don’t remember all the chit that was talked by UGA fans who “missed” Richt during Smart’s 1st yr. Chit takes time, period. I stand by my theories which are historically proven:

1. Never hire a coach from a failed regime b/c the likelihood of them succeeding is less than 10%

2. Give a coach 2 yrs, 3 yrs max, when inheriting a dumpster fire
 
Rellyrell said:
Richt did the same thing. Lol. That’s y we said it was eery how similar Richt & Smart’s career paralleled.

Yr 1:
Richt (8-4) v. Smart (8-5)

Yr 2:
Richt (13-1 winning SEC*) v. Smart (13-2 winning SEC)
*there was no CFP in 2001

Yr 3:
Richt (11-3 winning SECE) v. Smart (11-3 winning SECE)

Yr 4:
Richt (10-2) vs. Smart (12-2 winning SECE)

Yr 5:
Richt (10-3 winning SEC) v. Smart (8-2)

In 5 yrs:
Richt (52-13 w/ 3 SECE titles & 2 SEC titles)
Smart (52-14 w/ 3 SECE titles & SEC title)

The difference? Yr 6. Smart finally won it all.

All I’m saying is like Richt, Smart, Aranda, Mario (at a P5 program), etc is that they didn’t have shining glowing seasons yr 1. Ya’ll see Smart today, but don’t remember all the chit that was talked by UGA fans who “missed” Richt during Smart’s 1st yr. Chit takes time, period. I stand by my theories which are historically proven:

1. Never hire a coach from a failed regime b/c the likelihood of them succeeding is less than 10%

2. Give a coach 2 yrs, 3 yrs max, when inheriting a dumpster fire
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I absolutely remember all the **** about smart and I still stand by that. hes a trash o scheme type of coach and to me hes an outlier in terms of how he won (absolutely stud built D). we dont recruit well enough to do it smarts way and I dont think well ever get to that level bc we dont have the bags to get that level. he was recruiting a top 3 level since taking over from richt yearly. Mario is gonna bring in a currently 10th ranked class but id say we finish anywhere between 8-12. its a great class but isnt the Elite class. I think the best method to win is Dabos. Dabo like Mario isnt some x and o guy (Smart was an elite play calling DC where as Mario doesn't know what to call when as hes never done it). well win w Mario or at least get to a level where richt left UGA (which is fine and a success). I dont think Mario will ever win it big bc I think **** never improve off what he is now (hes not gonna turn a corner as an HC this far in). I think **** set us up for the next guy. if you think hes winning titles here, lower your expectations.
 
Cribby said:
Don’t get it twisted , the defense is Kirby’s baby. He’s a really good defensive mind. Dabo is the outlier as in never calling plays or being a true X / O guy. Maybe Mario can be an outlier too.
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agreed. I just said that to Riley. people think smart Is just an dope and he is in terms of his offensive scheme preference and lost a FRP over it. he won bc he built an NFL D through years of recruiting and can withstand losses at DC (its plug and play) as hes the defensive mastermind. he was sabans D superstar DC and hes Georgias as well. he has that on Mario as hes actually been a coordinator. Marios only really been a position coach. hes gonna Abe reliant on his coordinator hires to get over the top.
 
Gocanes1990 said:
My Hurricane brother. UGA when Kirby came in vs miami with Mario coming in, are not comparable.
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Kirby vs Mario isnt comparable eiher as Kirby was a title winning DC. Marois never coordinated either Side of the ball and had to make play calls
 
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Gocanes1990 said:
If you don’t think those guys are difference makers, it’s hard to conduct a rational convo on canes football.
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I didnt say that. I said Chaney has NEVER shown to be a difference maker as a college player. hes always hurt. if you want to go by high school tape, sure, but hes not in HS anymore and thats all we have of him as hes always hurt. arroyo is a talented kid but hes never really utilized in the pass game when he was healthy and mallory got the majority of the targets (I mean go back and look at it and look at why hes rumored to be gone).
 
hoops156 said:
I didnt say that. I said Chaney has NEVER shown to be a difference maker as a college player. hes always hurt. if you want to go by high school tape, sure, but hes not in HS anymore and thats all we have of him as hes always hurt. arroyo is a talented kid but hes never really utilized in the pass game when he was healthy and mallory got the majority of the targets (I mean go back and look at it and look at why hes rumored to be gone).
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Totally fair points. I misread what you wrote it that’s the nuance behind your point.
 
hoops156 said:
Kirby vs Mario isnt comparable eiher as Kirby was a title winning DC. Marois never coordinated either Side of the ball and had to make play calls
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Mario won the pac 12 and rose bowl as a HC… I’m losses about how we’ve started but I don’t share the same level of despair. We need to double down and invest in the program in terms of NIL and personnel. But I hear you and agree Mario has co-Oc’d. But I agree his offenses have left a lot to be desired recently. My point is, We can be **** good again. Maybe it’s Richt, maybe it’s Kirby, maybe it’s Dabo…the past isn’t a perfect picture into the future..
 
hoops156 said:
I absolutely remember all the **** about smart and I still stand by that. hes a trash o scheme type of coach and to me hes an outlier in terms of how he won (absolutely stud built D). we dont recruit well enough to do it smarts way and I dont think well ever get to that level bc we dont have the bags to get that level. he was recruiting a top 3 level since taking over from richt yearly. Mario is gonna bring in a currently 10th ranked class but id say we finish anywhere between 8-12. its a great class but isnt the Elite class. I think the best method to win is Dabos. Dabo like Mario isnt some x and o guy (Smart was an elite play calling DC where as Mario doesn't know what to call when as hes never done it). well win w Mario or at least get to a level where richt left UGA (which is fine and a success). I dont think Mario will ever win it big bc I think **** never improve off what he is now (hes not gonna turn a corner as an HC this far in). I think **** set us up for the next guy. if you think hes winning titles here, lower your expectations.
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Hey let's not forget Ed O. I'll say it again and again and again - if you have a stud QB and stud WRs, even the corchiest corch should be able to sleep walk to a 10 win season. In modern football, WR is the 2nd most important position. I can live with the #10 class (that's about peak Diaz level but whatevs) if it includes a couple elite WRs. I think a lot of other key positions can be filled through the portal but we really need to start developing our own WR talent again.
 
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