MaRiO NeEds his OwN GuYs

idc what you say...deep down, each and every one in this thread knows we ain't got any real dawgs rn. You might got some player(s) you might like that have a little k9 in'em (Henry Parrish is my guy)...but you watch the NFL...you watch college football, especially the good ****, you've seen some of the greatest collection of football talent the world has ever seen on teams of Miami's past...teams so loaded with dawgs Mike Vick just wanna pick a couple to fight...

You know what the standard is.

You know we ain't got anything close to the standard. Don't lie to yourselves.

Don't respond. You're lying.
 
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all these other schools can develop the same kids but somehow we can't. if surtain had come here, would he have the same career as he did at Bama? same w Tyson Campbell at UGA?
EXACTLY...Those were guys all of us on the board knew who would they be. Jerry Jeudy...Evan Neal etc.

We need to put together back to back winning szns and hit on elite s.fla kids and go national for other elites. It could happen with Mario....this szn unless they turn around wont be a great start to it...bt there is a shot.
 
Not all 8-5 seasons are the same, just like not all blue chips are the same.

Richt lost both games against the only ranked teams in his 10 win season (#13 Bama and #11 UF) . It's a lot like our 10 win season where his teams weren't actually that good but caught some lucky breaks over bad teams. Richts 2015 squad had a 9-6 win over a 5 win Missouri squad , a 23-17 win over Georgia Southern(!), and another 13-7 close call with Georgia Tech.

Smart had a vastly more difficult schedule and played 5 ranked teams. His team beat #22 UNC to start the season and #8 Auburn towards the end of the season (so that was a legit top 10 Auburn, not like a super early game against a supposed top 10 that turns out to not be good). He got clobbered by #13 Missouri, lost a close one to #11 Tennessee, and lost by a couple TDs to #14 Florida. So that's 3 of the 5 losses, which were to ranked teams. His other two losses were 1 pt losses. The one to Vandy is bad but Vandy surprisingly wasn't a bottom feeder that year. They actually qualified for a bowl game. GT won 9 games and wasnt a pushover either. There isn't any remotely close to the rectal trauma that Middle Tennessee State put on Miami.

So if you are a UGA fan, you can reasonably point to the late season win over #8 Auburn and say "Ok, this guy is capable of winning a big game, but his teams are inconsistent." This is in contrast to Richt where you could say his teams are consistently bad against quality opponents and played down to the opponent waaaaay to much.

And the other two important things about Smarts first season at UGA are that 1) it was his first year EVER as HC so he gets a little bit of slack and 2) he landed a top 3 class so the 8-5 season didn't hurt recruiting at all. Cristobal has been doing this long enough he shouldn't need a learning curve and I think we are going to be lucky to finish with a top 10 class. As I've said in another thread if he manages to land a top 5 class this year I won't care at all about this season. Unfortunately I think the chances of that are near zero because recruits are not impressed with the "eye violation" that is 2022 UM football.

I love how u’re doing all this justification for the opps.

It’s like clockwork on this board. It amazes me how many of u can do a deep dive in to justify other teams’ & don’t nor can’t do the same for ur own.

But, just remember; this was you back in 2020 in regards to ur coaching scale:

 
Wasn't this the entire argument to HIRE him in the first place? We've been bums for 15 yrs. No stability, no culture, just a revolving door of trash. Hire a coach who will immediately start to recruit the talent level wayyyy up, build the roster up over time, add the necessary program expenditures needed, and know you will have some head scratchers on gameday as you go but win enough games that the recruiting can continue to go up a bit each yr to where you are eventually top 5-7 class every season.

Not saying Mario is Kirby, but that dude was corching his way into 1-2 losses a season from the get go, and still is. Imagine if Mario ran the fake punt with Justin Fields in the backfield on here, site would crash instantaneously
People always mention Kirby winning it all in year 4 or 5 of his tenure but always seem to forget that his 2nd year he won the SEC and was 1/2 away from winning it all against arguably the greatest cfb hc of all time. So no Kirby hasnt been struggling and just hit gold now. Kirby been had UGA running. Mario will not sniff a nc championship next year so the comparison doesnt make sense.
 
is this a suprise that tvd would regress look what mario did to justin herbert, this staff has been parthetic
 
the start of the game 4th and 2 on the 50 when we punted it it was over how is mack brown more in this era of football than mario i dont see how any recruit would want to come here over carolina after being at that game
 
I love how u’re doing all this justification for the opps.

It’s like clockwork on this board. It amazes me how many of u can do a deep dive in to justify other teams’ & don’t nor can’t do the same for ur own.

But, just remember; this was you back in 2020 in regards to ur coaching scale:


I'm quite flattered you took the time to look up my old posts. I'm not going to look up your old posts because I frankly don't really care all that much what you were right or wrong about 3 years ago. If you learned new info and it changed your opinion, that's called "learning" and most people (me included) tend to think that's a good thing.

But hey - you win. You found where I posted something with info I had at the time that later turned out to be wrong. Since it's so important for you to show that I've been wrong, feel free to go all the way to when I posted on Shadows board (I think I started posting in 2007) and I'm sure you will find some ice cold takes that you will find quite titillating.

But let's look at my rankings from Dec 2020 just for fun

10- Meyer, Saban, and Dabo
still good
9- Jimbo
nope, turns out he is a great recruiter but terrible coach who can't adapt to modern football - hmm sounds familiar
8- Brian Kelly, Lincoln Riley
think both are correct despite Kelly's start at LSU, he ended up annihilating the acc in 2020 and followed it up with an 11-1 season in 2021. Given NDs academic standards, he had recruiting limitations a lot of other coaches didn't have and still outperformed relative to the talent on the roster.
7- Dan Mullen, Richt (UGA Era), Gundy
1 for 3. The autopsy on Mullen is he was a brilliant Xs and Os guy, but couldn't recruit. Didn't know that in Dec 2020. I think Gundy is a **** of a coach just in terms of pure coaching ability. I still stand by this. As for Richt, at the time his overall tenure at UGA was more impressive than Smarts up to that point, especially given the bag game that Smart had and top classes (was year 5 for Smart, he looked at the time like a guy who couldnt win a championship despite infinite resources and top classes)
6- Mario Cristobal, Kirby Smart
This is before we really saw Justin Herbert in the NFL and discovered he was one of the best QBs to come out of college in a long time. It made people take a closer look at whether Cristobal didn't get all the "meat off the bone" with Herbert by not building the offense around what Herbert did well and instead making him play in Cristobals preferred offense. Herbert still put up great numbers because he was exceptionally talented, but I don't think he reached his full potential. Unfortunately that pattern seems to have happened again in Miami.
5- Mack Brown, Matt Campbell
Still good
4- Diaz
I'm sure it's seen as blasphemy to put Diaz above Richt. I'll raise up Richt up from #3 to this spot so Diaz and Richt are both on this level. Richt had the 10 win season after all. In 2020 Diaz had an 8 win abbreviated season that I think would have been a 10 win season if it had been the original schedule. Sorry, I am sure I am in the minority here but I'm simply not impressed with what Richt did at UM as a HC. I appreciate him getting the IPF, but his talent evals were generally hot garbage.
UM shouldn't have hired Diaz to begin with, but it was what it was. Whereas I can buy the argument that Diaz was brand new HC and deserved some time to learn on the job, Cristobal doesnt get that deference from me- especially not with an 8.5 million salary and the highest paid staff in the acc. Cristobal took his lumps at FIU, then started figuring things out at Oregon so he had training wheels. Diaz was going to need to learn on the job.

If Diaz was HC right now I would bet any amount of money that we're 3-2 now instead of 2-3. I doubt he'd have replaced Lashlee with another pro style OC, so we'd probably have another OC that built the offense around TVD and it would be a top 25 O again, just like it was the 2 previous years. Does that mean I'd rather have Diaz than Cristobal? Depends on what happens in February. If Cristobal pulls a top 5 class this year, there is no doubt I'd rather he be the HC. If he does that, then he's stacking talent like Smart did in his 1st class and I think he'll eventually exceed what Diaz could have done even at his (Diaz's) peak. However, If Cristobal ends up with a class in the 10-13 range, that's probably around the same class rank that Diaz in year 4 would have landed, except Diaz makes 5 MILLION LESS per year. And Diaz likely ends up with a better record this year so I don't see any advantage to having hired Cristobal.
3- Richt (Miami era)
2- Golden, Shannon
1- Willie Taggart
 
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I'm quite flattered you took the time to look up my old posts. I'm not going to look up your old posts because I frankly don't really care all that much what you were right or wrong about 3 years ago. If you learned new info and it changed your opinion, that's called "learning" and most people (me included) tend to think that's a good thing.

But hey - you win. You found where I posted something with info I had at the time that later turned out to be wrong. Since it's so important for you to show that I've been wrong, feel free to go all the way to when I posted on Shadows board (I think I started posting in 2007) and I'm sure you will find some ice cold takes that you will find quite titillating.

But let's look at my rankings from Dec 2020 just for fun

10- Meyer, Saban, and Dabo
still good
9- Jimbo
nope, turns out he is a great recruiter but terrible coach who can't adapt to modern football - hmm sounds familiar
8- Brian Kelly, Lincoln Riley
think both are correct despite Kelly's start at LSU, he ended up annihilating the acc in 2020 and followed it up with an 11-1 season in 2021. Given NDs academic standards, he had recruiting limitations a lot of other coaches didn't have and still outperformed relative to the talent on the roster.
7- Dan Mullen, Richt (UGA Era), Gundy
1 for 3. The autopsy on Mullen is he was a brilliant Xs and Os guy, but couldn't recruit. Didn't know that in Dec 2020. I think Gundy is a **** of a coach just in terms of pure coaching ability. I still stand by this. As for Richt, at the time his overall tenure at UGA was more impressive than Smarts up to that point, especially given the bag game that Smart had and top classes (was year 5 for Smart, he looked at the time like a guy who couldnt win a championship despite infinite resources and top classes)
6- Mario Cristobal, Kirby Smart
This is before we really saw Justin Herbert in the NFL and discovered he was one of the best QBs to come out of college in a long time. It made people take a closer look at whether Cristobal didn't get all the "meat off the bone" with Herbert by not building the offense around what Herbert did well and instead making him play in Cristobals preferred offense. Herbert still put up great numbers because he was exceptionally talented, but I don't think he reached his full potential. Unfortunately that pattern seems to have happened again in Miami.
5- Mack Brown, Matt Campbell
Still good
4- Diaz
I'm sure it's seen as blasphemy to put Diaz above Richt. I'll raise up Richt up from #3 to this spot so Diaz and Richt are both on this level. Richt had the 10 win season after all. In 2020 Diaz had an 8 win abbreviated season that I think would have been a 10 win season if it had been the original schedule. Sorry, I am sure I am in the minority here but I'm simply not impressed with what Richt did at UM as a HC. I appreciate him getting the IPF, but his talent evals were generally hot garbage.
UM shouldn't have hired Diaz to begin with, but it was what it was. Whereas I can buy the argument that Diaz was brand new HC and deserved some time to learn on the job, Cristobal doesnt get that deference from me- especially not with an 8.5 million salary and the highest paid staff in the acc. Cristobal took his lumps at FIU, then started figuring things out at Oregon so he had training wheels. Diaz was going to need to learn on the job.

If Diaz was HC right now I would bet any amount of money that we're 3-2 now instead of 2-3. I doubt he'd have replaced Lashlee with another pro style OC, so we'd probably have another OC that built the offense around TVD and it would be a top 25 O again, just like it was the 2 previous years. Does that mean I'd rather have Diaz than Cristobal? Depends on what happens in February. If Cristobal pulls a top 5 class this year, there is no doubt I'd rather he be the HC. If he does that, then he's stacking talent like Smart did in his 1st class and I think he'll eventually exceed what Diaz could have done even at his (Diaz's) peak. However, If Cristobal ends up with a class in the 10-13 range, that's probably around the same class rank that Diaz in year 4 would have landed, except Diaz makes 5 MILLION LESS per year. And Diaz likely ends up with a better record this year so I don't see any advantage to having hired Cristobal.
3- Richt (Miami era)
2- Golden, Shannon
1- Willie Taggart

U don’t get it; smh. Ur point in 2020 was actually spot on.

U’re so busy bashing Mario in the forest, that u can’t even see the trees. Instead of embracing urself being right, u’re digging in heels in even further, making even more ridiculous statements about Diaz & Lashlee. Diaz began the yr 2-3 in 2 of his 3 yrs here, including that 2021 squad that’s now 2022, but let’s not let facts get in the way. And don’t u remotely dare say we beat MTSU w/ Diaz, when Diaz “barely” went 3-2 against G5 teams, needing back to back wide open, dropped passes to beat App St. last yr.

U say u made that post before seeing Justin Herbert in the NFL & this makes zero sense. Why? B/c Justin is putting up bigger passing #’s in the NFL? Lol. The NFL is different than CFB, just like NCAAB is different than the NBA. We’ve seen QBs put up gawdy #’s at the CFB level, ****, winning Heisnans, & were bull chit in the NFL. Likewise, we’ve seen guys put up decent #’s in CFB, yet become legends in the NFL.

Justin Herbert was a top 10 NFL overall pick under Mario, yet for some reason, u & others won’t & can’t let chit go. U’re impressed by Herbert’s #’s, where Herbert has all kinds of weapons around him in the NFL, weapons not afforded to him at UO, & yet, he still went top 10. Oooooh, & those #’s haven’t meant chit, b/c he can’t buy a playoff birth. His best football accomplishments have still been at UO under Mario.

The difference better Mario & Smart is that Smart is now a tenured coach at UGA; it took him 6 yrs to win a natty. Mario was the most successful coach at UO post Chip Kelly, & had he stayed, who knows what yr 5 or 6 brings him; yet, he chose to come to Miami, to help build us back & dude has been here less than a minute, & half this board wants him gone.

Smart has obviously moved up, being in that top 3 category, but at the time of ur post, this was correct.
 
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Look at the first-year coaches on that list:

Oklahoma -- 4th in bluechip ratio, they have lost 3 games in a row and just lost forty-nine to zero to their biggest rival
LSU -- Multiple losses, one to FSU, one where they got blown out of their own stadium by Tennessee
Notre Dame -- Multiple losses, one at home to Marshall
uf -- Multiple losses, almost lost at home to USF, almost lost to Missouri
Oregon -- Lost by 500 to UGA (no real shame there), but looked pretty decent otherwise (Mario's kids?)


If we're losing to App State at home in Year 5 with the 5th highest blue-chip ratio like A&M, or being blown out of our building multiple times with the 15th highest ratio and a tenured coach like Auburn, it might be time to pull the oh **** cord.

But literally every single first-year coach on this list is struggling. Some mightily, like Venables. LSU looks absolutely awful, and as much as Kelly is a lowlife murderer, he took multiple ND teams to the playoffs and has the 7th most talent, according to this list. He may not be an elite coach, but he's not a completely terrible coach.

Again, I'm not necessarily comparing these teams to ours. And not excusing the losses, especially MTSU. But first-year coaches are struggling here, and on paper they also have a lot of talent.

The bottom line is, it's too early to tell anything long-term, good or bad. We're certainly not off to a great start here, and the last 3 weeks have given me an ulcer, but what has happened so far is NOT INDICITIVE of long-term performance. Period. It is very, very possible to build a good program in the next couple years, even with what has transpired so far. UGA had the #12 class in the country in 2014, the #8 class in 2015, and the #6 class in 2015. Kirby Smart's first year, 2016, they went 8-5. They lost to Vanderbilt, at home. They've gone to a NY6 bowl every year since. Let's give it a year or two before we go berserk.
Finally...its confirmed, someone with a brain exists on this site. I agree whole heartedly with your take. What if we were OU? Our "fanbase" would have a meltdown. Pump the brakes, people. We got the right guy. He will build it his way. Has to wean out Manny's players who are mentally as soft as cotton candy.
 
Finally...its confirmed, someone with a brain exists on this site. I agree whole heartedly with your take. What if we were OU? Our "fanbase" would have a meltdown. Pump the brakes, people. We got the right guy. He will build it his way. Has to wean out Manny's players who are mentally as soft as cotton candy.
Finally...its confirmed, someone with a brain exists on this site. I agree whole heartedly with your take. What if we were OU? Our "fanbase" would have a meltdown. Pump the brakes, people. We got the right guy. He will build it his way. Has to wean out Manny's players who are mentally as soft as cotton candy.
you guys dont get tired of repeating this same drivel year after year, coaching staff after coaching staff. "we dont have the talent yet, just be patient and wait until coach x gets his guys in. then we'll really be rolling!" I mean that was said with Diaz, Richt, Golden, Shannon, and now Mario. The UM fanbase's slogan should be "hope springs eternal." Some fans choose to be optimistic, which is fine, but then there's a group of fans (myself included) who are tired of being blindly optimistic and are in "prove it" mode, which is also fine.
 
People always mention Kirby winning it all in year 4 or 5 of his tenure but always seem to forget that his 2nd year he won the SEC and was 1/2 away from winning it all against arguably the greatest cfb hc of all time. So no Kirby hasnt been struggling and just hit gold now. Kirby been had UGA running. Mario will not sniff a nc championship next year so the comparison doesnt make sense.

he also inherited a very stacked roster full of legit NFL guys and then corched his way into losing that game when he had it sewn up. hasn't had an undefeated season yet, and gets in a few dogfights every year he shouldn't (Mizzou last week, UF a few times in Jax)
he's an amazing recruiter and now can coast to 11-1 regular seasons on talent alone
 
you guys dont get tired of repeating this same drivel year after year, coaching staff after coaching staff. "we dont have the talent yet, just be patient and wait until coach x gets his guys in. then we'll really be rolling!" I mean that was said with Diaz, Richt, Golden, Shannon, and now Mario. The UM fanbase's slogan should be "hope springs eternal." Some fans choose to be optimistic, which is fine, but then there's a group of fans (myself included) who are tired of being blindly optimistic and are in "prove it" mode, which is also fine.
My bad. Mario should take a soft *** roster and turn into gold. Midas Cristobal.
 
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he also inherited a very stacked roster full of legit NFL guys and then corched his way into losing that game when he had it sewn up. hasn't had an undefeated season yet, and gets in a few dogfights every year he shouldn't (Mizzou last week, UF a few times in Jax)
he's an amazing recruiter and now can coast to 11-1 regular seasons on talent alone
Easy to be an amazing recruiter those yrs...with a Saban-esque Brinks truck at your disposal...
 
He's got 1 win against an FBS opponent and we're halfway through the season. Still time to turn it around but what we've witnessed up to now is plainly unacceptable despite anything that's happened here the past 20 years. What the **** does the past 20 years have to do with the past 9 months?
 
He's got 1 win against an FBS opponent and we're halfway through the season. Still time to turn it around but what we've witnessed up to now is plainly unacceptable despite anything that's happened here the past 20 years. What the **** does the past 20 years have to do with the past 9 months?

Nothing. What we've seen this season has been disappointing and unacceptable, absolutely. But Mario was not hired to give us a football advantage. He was hired to give us a talent advantage. That takes longer than 9 months and 5 games. Should he be able to beat MTSU with the talent he has? Absolutely, 1000%. But perhaps "talent" also includes things like culture, personality, toughness, and S&C. He shouldn't NEED his talent to beat MTSU, he should be able to beat them with the talent Manny left, but the long-term outlook of the program is based entirely on his recruiting prowess. It's going to take some time to allow him to do that.
 
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