MaRiO NeEds his OwN GuYs

[SWFLHurricane]

and we hired a guy whose plan is to follow the same blueprint so the panic 5 games in is hilarious

It's not panic...but the coaching and players responsibilities have been atrocious so far. By only winning 5 or 6 games (if that happens) will only make Mario's job/recruiting that much harder.

 

[JHallCanes]

It's not panic...but the coaching and players responsibilities have been atrocious so far. By only winning 5 or 6 games (if that happens) will only make Mario's job/recruiting that much harder.

Most of us expected a loss to A&M

We knew UNC would be a battle even before seeing how legit their QB is

So we lose those games…frustrating but fair enough right?

Give it some time etc

But being bodied by MTSU, beaten on every level from coaching to talent to the **** water boys

That is a game changer

 

[rok]

Nothing. What we've seen this season has been disappointing and unacceptable, absolutely. But Mario was not hired to give us a football advantage. He was hired to give us a talent advantage. That takes longer than 9 months and 5 games. Should he be able to beat MTSU with the talent he has? Absolutely, 1000%. But perhaps "talent" also includes things like culture, personality, toughness, and S&C. He shouldn't NEED his talent to beat MTSU, he should be able to beat them with the talent Manny left, but the long-term outlook of the program is based entirely on his recruiting prowess. It's going to take some time to allow him to do that.

MTSU was a clear indication that the program and its culture remain broken. 2 weeks later the team fought like **** against UNC so hopefully that signifies a move in the right direction. From a pure talent perspective Kelly, Bissainthe, Skinner, Young, Cooper is a good start. Each of them should see their snaps increase moving forward.

 

[SWFLHurricane]

Most of us expected a loss to A&M

We knew UNC would be a battle even before seeing how legit their QB is

So we lose those games…frustrating but fair enough right?

Give it some time etc

But being bodied by MTSU, beaten on every level from coaching to talent to the **** water boys

That is a game changer

Absolutely....it'll make Mario's job/recruiting tougher. But after coaching under Butch and Saban, I'm hopeful he'll be able to succeed down the road. But I truly believe he's gonna need to reevaluate his Offensive philosophies...and/or staff changes if this season is a 5 or 6 win campaign.

 

[blushrts]

Most of us expected a loss to A&M

We knew UNC would be a battle even before seeing how legit their QB is

So we lose those games…frustrating but fair enough right?

Give it some time etc

But being bodied by MTSU, beaten on every level from coaching to talent to the **** water boys

That is a game changer

Yep, MTSU wasn't some miracle finish with them pulling off trick plays or something. They owned us all day.

 

[hoops156]

Yep, MTSU wasn't some miracle finish with them pulling off trick plays or something. They owned us all day.

if we played that game, 10/10 the same way, we lose every time. it was thorough beatdown from the play on the field to the sidelines.

 

[JHallCanes]

Yep, MTSU wasn't some miracle finish with them pulling off trick plays or something. They owned us all day.

Yeah we know in college crazy **** happens

Styles make fights

The ball bounces weird ways

It’s what makes college ball so great

But we’ve played 3 very different teams in 3 weeks and haven’t beaten any of them. It’s just not good no matter how we try and excuse it

 

[JHallCanes]

Absolutely....it'll make Mario's job/recruiting tougher. But after coaching under Butch and Saban, I'm hopeful he'll be able to succeed down the road. But I truly believe he's gonna need to reevaluate his Offensive philosophies...and/or staff changes if this season is a 5 or 6 win campaign.

Yeah I mean I’m optimistic about our future just because of the investment, not just money but people (like Zo for example)

But we can fire Gattis tomorrow, but if we aren’t willing to change course then it doesn’t matter

One thing I can give Manny credit for was he was willing to change it up. We’ve seen how stubbornness has failed here with Randy, Golden, Richt (to a smaller degree)

The game evolves all the time. We can’t get stuck in the past, especially since Mario really has never achieved any long term major success that we should somehow defer to him on this stuff

 

[Miami[]_[]Smoke]

Nothing. What we've seen this season has been disappointing and unacceptable, absolutely. But Mario was not hired to give us a football advantage. He was hired to give us a talent advantage. That takes longer than 9 months and 5 games. Should he be able to beat MTSU with the talent he has? Absolutely, 1000%. But perhaps "talent" also includes things like culture, personality, toughness, and S&C. He shouldn't NEED his talent to beat MTSU, he should be able to beat them with the talent Manny left, but the long-term outlook of the program is based entirely on his recruiting prowess. It's going to take some time to allow him to do that.

Mario was hired to improve more than just recruiting. We didn’t open the checkbook with Gattis and Steele and the rest of the staff for their recruiting. And by the way, our biggest downfall over the past few coaches has been development. If that isn’t improved, good recruiting doesn’t mean anything, and we’ll be stuck in the exact same situation with a bad scheme and players not getting better or even regressing. It should also be known that Mario didn’t recruit a single stud qb to Oregon that has produced and that is the most important position to recruit in modern football

 

[HurikaneMarc]

He's got 1 win against an FBS opponent and we're halfway through the season. Still time to turn it around but what we've witnessed up to now is plainly unacceptable despite anything that's happened here the past 20 years. What the **** does the past 20 years have to do with the past 9 months?

Yeah it's crazy that people try to argue that the state of the program 10 years ago somehow has any effect on it today. This isn't a corrupt South American government. Its a football team where the CEO is in the face of every player and coach almost every day.

I think the last 3 years is all a new coach really has to worry about in terms of "culture". And its because he's likely inheriting some players that aren't going to be a good fit.

But how is it possible that past losing or the mentality of a player no longer on the roster has any affect on the program today?

 

[ItsAUThing.com]

Bullsh't.

This was the 16th ranked team in the preseason.
Had a QB that was getting plenty of first round hype.
And one of only 15 teams in the country that had that magical blue chip ratio > 50%.



Yeah, about that...

You don't need a Bama-caliber roster to beat average teams like UNC or Texas A&M. You need that kind of talent to win championships, not money games against Middle Tennessee State.

Coming into the season most fans expected us to lose 3-4 games a year. The way we're playing this year, we're staring 6-7 losses in the face. This is no surprise as Cristobal routinely lost to teams he shouldn't have at Oregon. He's not a good coach, and the way he views football (run-heavy, slow paced) leaves little margin for error.

Hopefully he has an epiphany and changes the way he views football. Even with a talent advantage over 90% of the teams we play, X's and O's will matter.

This is the team Mario inherited; an entitled bunch of kids who played three years under Manny Diaz, who saw kids skipping practice with no repercussions for their actions. A clown, beta head coach who wanted to be liked and accepted instead of feared and respected, like an alpha.

Diaz even left Jarren Williams start against FIU after the quarterback defied him, broke curfew and was rumored to be hungover in that upset.

This program was an abortion and clown show—and based on WHAT did our genius fans "expect" to lose "3-4 games this year"? Because a new staff was hired?

Forget the 118-85 record since the 2005 Peach Bowl, averaging out to 7-5 a year for the past 16 seasons—our fans predicted a 3-4 loss season, so that's gospel.

News flash, some blue chippers in a broken program—they'll leave worse than they were when they showed up. Did you miss the whole Al Golden era, where those clowns almost destroyed the career of a 4-Star like Anthony Chickillo?

I don't care what a lot of these kids were on paper; anyone who was in this program from 2019 to 2021 lost there mojo, while everyone offensive player here since 2019 is now on their third offensive coordinator and offensive system in three years—which is never a good thing.

Whether you want to admit it or not, this is another rebuild—Miami on its third head coach in five years and sixth head coach in 16 years.

Deal with it.

 

[ItsAUThing.com]

And by the way, our biggest downfall over the past few coaches has been development. If that isn’t improved, good recruiting doesn’t mean anything, and we’ll be stuck in the exact same situation with a bad scheme and players not getting better or even regressing.

... and a new staff doesn't change this with one off-season, or five games into year one.

 

[Miami[]_[]Smoke]

... and a new staff doesn't change this with one off-season, or five games into year one.

But the scheme sure could have, but instead we went back in time 20 years to get this offensive philosophy. And a better scheme would have maximized the talent that we do have, but it’s not.

 

[Gocanes1990]

I think you guy all need to face the fact that Mario is a program floor raiser. Your new floor when he’s done will be about 9 wins. His ceiling is capped tho. He’s not a great game day coach. He just isn’t.

Agreed, but is Kirby? Is / was Dabo? As long as he does well enough to adapt we’re in good shape. Gotta stack chips, I’m honestly worried what happens with NIL once Ruiz pulls back in a year or two. But I agree with you overall.

 

[JustAFanHTX]

Agreed, but is Kirby? Is / was Dabo? As long as he does well enough to adapt we’re in good shape. Gotta stack chips, I’m honestly worried what happens with NIL once Ruiz pulls back in a year or two. But I agree with you overall.

I think dabo is an outlier, who he really would have been had he not lucked into two all world QB’s back to back to set the foundation is very different. Kirby isn’t very impressive to me at all. Richt had that ship at 9 or 10 wins. Just don’t crash it. With more “support” they eventually got a chip but he didn’t build a thing

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

I think dabo is an outlier, who he really would have been had he not lucked into two all world QB’s back to back to set the foundation is very different. Kirby isn’t very impressive to me at all. Richt had that ship at 9 or 10 wins. Just don’t crash it. With more “support” they eventually got a chip but he didn’t build a thing

I think about this type of stuff all the time....did Dabo really "luck into" Deshaun and Trevor? I get what you're saying 100%, but at the end of the day, recruiting is the name of the game. And he got both those kids to come there, somehow, someway. Especially Trevor, who is a GA kid and recruited by everyone under the sun. So I don't disagree with you, but I think it's hard to not give folks credit for having elite players when their job is to get elite players.

Kinda like Jimbo at FSU. I think Jimbo is a very average coach overall, and I know with your familiarity with A&M you have your opinions as well, and everyone says he only won at FSU because of Jameis and then the next couple years because of Dalvin. Of course 1-2 guys don't make a whole team, but that's a simple way of putting it. And it's probably not wrong. But he got those guys to come when nobody else could to their schools. And with recruiting being a massive part of success at this level, I think that makes you a better "coach" than simply your ability to coach football day to day.

 

[JustAFanHTX]

I think about this type of stuff all the time....did Dabo really "luck into" Deshaun and Trevor? I get what you're saying 100%, but at the end of the day, recruiting is the name of the game. And he got both those kids to come there, somehow, someway. Especially Trevor, who is a GA kid and recruited by everyone under the sun. So I don't disagree with you, but I think it's hard to not give folks credit for having elite players when their job is to get elite players.

Kinda like Jimbo at FSU. I think Jimbo is a very average coach overall, and I know with your familiarity with A&M you have your opinions as well, and everyone says he only won at FSU because of Jameis and then the next couple years because of Dalvin. Of course 1-2 guys don't make a whole team, but that's a simple way of putting it. And it's probably not wrong. But he got those guys to come when nobody else could to their schools. And with recruiting being a massive part of success at this level, I think that makes you a better "coach" than simply your ability to coach football day to day.

But getting elite QB’s in itself is luck. Recruiting them is 1 thing but them being everything and more than you expect in their career is another. So yeah I give dabo the credit of landing those guys for sure. But Lincoln Riley went on a streak of landing the number 1 QB every year and it hasn’t panned out

 

[redrum234]

Most of us expected a loss to A&M

We knew UNC would be a battle even before seeing how legit their QB is

So we lose those games…frustrating but fair enough right?

Give it some time etc

But being bodied by MTSU, beaten on every level from coaching to talent to the **** water boys

That is a game changer

So how does the MTSU loss compare to OU's loss to Texas? Which is worse? Are OU fans already calling for Vernables to be fired? The product on the field this year is irrelevant to me. What is relevant is selling all the top recruits that early playing time is readily available and development can occur with the coaching staff. With the staff we have assembled, they have plenty of pedigree of putting players at the next level.

 

[JHallCanes]

So how does the MTSU loss compare to OU's loss to Texas? Which is worse? Are OU fans already calling for Vernables to be fired? The product on the field this year is irrelevant to me. What is relevant is selling all the top recruits that early playing time is readily available and development can occur with the coaching staff. With the staff we have assembled, they have plenty of pedigree of putting players at the next level.

I have no idea. I don’t give a **** about Oklahoma or anyone else for that matter

I’m very much on Mario’s side in this just to be clear

I’m just pointing out why there is so much vitriol

We lose to A&M and UNC, it’s eh…lose to MTSU and yeah people are ****ed and they should be

 

[Shooter McGavin]

We lost to Middle Tennessee ******* State