MaRiO NeEds his OwN GuYs

[Hurricane Warrior]

Let's also remember that not all blue chips are the same. I keep pointing out Lingard as evidence of that.

Also the previous staff that gets canned is usually guilty of not developing that blue-chip talent...

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

Key transfers were his star QB and WR from OU, Addison from Pitt, and Dye from Oregon. Made it a lot easier.

But give credit where due.

Now just beat somebody good

I find it a little strange that star players followed Riley from Oklahoma but Cristobal wasn't able to convince any Oregon players from the east coast to transfer closer to home.

And Cristobal didn't need a QB to transfer because he already had the acc rookie of the year at QB. Unfortunately Cristobal decided he didn't like having a pass oriented offense so TVDs talents were wasted for 4 games. As for WR - I'm not going to put that on Cristobal but I will say it looks like there is a very talented WR already on the roster that isn't getting much burn because he isn't a Greentree All American.

 

[GojiraCane]

Now do DL, LB, WR, sil vous plait, mon frere.

DEFENSIVE TACKLE:

Leonard Taylor	0.9938
Akheem Mesidor	0.9200
Ahmad Moten	0.8811
Darrell Jackson	0.8800
Jared Harrison-Hunte	0.8797
Jacob Lichtenstein	0.8700
Allan Haye	0.8559
Jordan Miller	0.8431

DEFENSIVE END:

Cyrus Moss	0.9710
Chantz Williams	0.9634
Nyjalik Kelly	0.9609
Jahfari Harvey	0.9165
Jabari Ishmael	0.9120
Elijah Roberts	0.8925
Mitchell Agude	0.8900
Antonio Moultrie	0.8800

LINEBACKER:

Wesley Bissainthe	0.9274
Avery Huff	0.9177
Chase Smith	0.9017
Caleb Johnson	0.8800
Thomas Davis	0.8763
Corey Flagg Jr	0.8608
Waynmon Steed	0.8590

WIDE RECEIVER:

Romello Brinson	0.9368
Michael Redding	0.9270
Jacolby George	0.9257
Brashard Smith	0.9157
Isaiah Horton	0.8948
Frank Ladson	0.8700
Xavier Restrepo	0.8699
Keyshawn Smith	0.8653
Colbie Young	0.6999

 

[Atom Atlas]

That Ham was Parma Ham...absolutely ridiculous...difference between Prosciutto and Cappicola is, one is from the hind quarters of the pig...the other from the neck region @RVACane

I am not picky .... You could just give me the pig and I'll slice off what I want now and ride the rest home for later.... with salami and cheese in tow...

 

[Rellyrell]

DEFENSIVE TACKLE:

Leonard Taylor	0.9938
Akheem Mesidor	0.9200
Ahmad Moten	0.8811
Darrell Jackson	0.8800
Jared Harrison-Hunte	0.8797
Jacob Lichtenstein	0.8700
Allan Haye	0.8559
Jordan Miller	0.8431

DEFENSIVE END:

Cyrus Moss	0.9710
Chantz Williams	0.9634
Nyjalik Kelly	0.9609
Jahfari Harvey	0.9165
Jabari Ishmael	0.9120
Elijah Roberts	0.8925
Mitchell Agude	0.8900
Antonio Moultrie	0.8800

LINEBACKER:

Wesley Bissainthe	0.9274
Avery Huff	0.9177
Chase Smith	0.9017
Caleb Johnson	0.8800
Thomas Davis	0.8763
Corey Flagg Jr	0.8608
Waynmon Steed	0.8590

WIDE RECEIVER:

Romello Brinson	0.9368
Michael Redding	0.9270
Jacolby George	0.9257
Brashard Smith	0.9157
Isaiah Horton	0.8948
Frank Ladson	0.8700
Xavier Restrepo	0.8699
Keyshawn Smith	0.8653
Colbie Young	0.6999

Thank u good sir;

Which is y these type of reports don’t mean chit w/o context.

1. DT - I’ve been banging home this point for yrs now; we’ve been lackluster in this dept for quite some time, which is absolutely asinine when we think about the history of our program w/ impact, play making DTs. Here, we have only 2 blue chips, one via the portal. That’s absolutely unacceptable.

2. DE - Much better room, & looks good on paper; however, two are true freshman still developing, so that brings that room down just a tad

3. LB - Another unimaginable room based upon our history. We only have 3 “blue chips” here, where one is a true freshman still developing, one has been here for 5 yrs & still has a HS body, & the other has a ton of upside, but under 2 staffs now, can’t see the field for one reason or another.

4. WR - Frustrates the chit out of me. We have one who is injured, one can’t see the field, one has been here since George Mira was toting the rock around & remains inconsistent, one is a true freshman still developing, & we have one who has a ton of potential.

Chit makes no sense, which is y that whole “blue chip argument means chit.” 55% is not very good IF ur entire evals is not flawless. And let’s keep it a buck; the guys who transferred who were considered blue chips have been *** at their new homes, too. Teams like Bama, UGA, & OSU stack an absurd amount of blue chips b/c they r not hitting 100% on evals. Some guys peak way too fast & never get better. So if they have an 89% ratio, they can afford to miss on 15 - 20%; we cannot!

 

[TemplarCane]

I find it a little strange that star players followed Riley from Oklahoma but Cristobal wasn't able to convince any Oregon players from the east coast to transfer closer to home.

And Cristobal didn't need a QB to transfer because he already had the acc rookie of the year at QB. Unfortunately Cristobal decided he didn't like having a pass oriented offense so TVDs talents were wasted for 4 games. As for WR - I'm not going to put that on Cristobal but I will say it looks like there is a very talented WR already on the roster that isn't getting much burn because he isn't a Greentree All American.

Valid point. Perhaps Mario did not want to poach players? There was an OL or two that came from Oregon, though. There should have been a greater portal effort made at WR, clearly. Addison was USC-lock, as was Mario Williams (OU), but you’d think there were others capable.

We’ll see about Colbie. Looks skilled on three straight plays, and hopefully that earns more playing time. Let’s see what he can do under then lights. We know what the others can, or can’t.

 

[hoops156]

This is an amazing step in the right direction.

im all for recruiting nationally, but have to land the elite skill talent here. they excel all over the country but somehow we can't get them to play? come on now. bam

 

[hoops156]

Key transfers were his star QB and WR from OU, Addison from Pitt, and Dye from Oregon. Made it a lot easier.

But give credit where due.

Now just beat somebody good.

I mean he beat better teams Than the teams Mario beat this year. we haven't beaten anyone good and lost to a really bad team in a blowout. also, I think its easier for a guy like lane bc he coordinates a side of the ball and like you said brought his QB w him. hes also shown that his offense has worked everywhere hes been (ECU, OU, USC). also, fwiw, I dont think Mario is in the Lincoln Riley class of coaches. again it doenst mean Mario sucks but he just inst what Riley is. I think Riley is a guy who will get a title while Mario will help build a good roster to get the pieces in place for an elite HC to get to a title.

 

[GojiraCane]

Thank u good sir;

Which is these type of reports don’t mean chit w/o context.

1. DT - I’ve been banging home this point for yrs now; we’ve been lackluster in this dept for quite some time, which is absolutely asinine when we think about the history of our program w/ impact, play making DTs. Here, we have only 2 blue chips, one via the portal. That’s absolutely unacceptable.

2. DE - Much better room, & looks good on paper; however, two are true freshman still developing, so that brings that room down just a tad

3. LB - Another unimaginable room based upon our history. We only have 3 “blue chips” here, where one is a true freshman still developing, one has been here for 5 yrs & still has a HS body, & the other has a ton of upside, but under 2 staffs now, can’t see the field for one reason or another.

4. WR - Frustrates the chit out of me. We have one who is injured, one can’t see the field, one has been here since George Mira was toting the rock around & remains inconsistent, one is a true freshman still developing, & we have one who has a ton of potential.

Chit makes no sense, which is y that whole “blue chip argument means chit.” 55% is not very good IF ur entire evals is not flawless. And let’s keep it a buck; the guys who transferred who were considered blue chips have been *** at their ew homes, too. Teams like Bama, UGA, & OSU stack an absurd amount of blue chips b/c they r not hitting 100% on evals. Some guys peak way too fast & never get better. So if they have an 89% ratio, they can afford to miss on 15 - 20%; we cannot!

True. That's where looking at the individual positions is important.

Wide receiver room has potential but is inexperienced. All of these people sat behind Harley, and Rambo and saw scant time in 2021.

Defensive tackle you're spot on. That's why I was unhappy that Stewart went to A&M; it was important that we build blue chips at that position year after year.

Linebacker we simply did not recruit enough blue chippers from 2017 on:

- 2017: 3 (all three stars)
- 2018: None
- 2019: 2 (1 four star, 1 three stars)
- 2020: 3 (2 three stars, one walk on converted to scholarship)
- 2021: 4 (1 four star, 3 three stars)
- 2022: 2 (1 four star, 1 transfer in Caleb Johnson)

Corners we simply did not recruit enough bodies from 2017 on, period:

- 2017: 2 (2 four stars)
- 2018: None
- 2019: 1 (1 four star)
- 2020: 2 (1 four star, 1 three star)
- 2021: 1 (1 three star)
- 2022: 4 (2 four stars, 1 three star, 1 transfer in Daryl Porter)

So at the cornerback position we went three years with just three commitments. That's about as bad as Larry Coker signing only 5 wide receivers over four years (2003-2006). So with corners, Manny and Mario had to oversign just to get numbers back up, but three of the seven players at the position currently are true freshmen lacking a full year of S&C, let alone experience.

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

I think Riley is a guy who will get a title while Mario will help build a good roster to get the pieces in place for an elite HC to get to a title.

Cristobal is basically a poor man's Mark Richt, but getting paid like a rich man's Mark Richt. Richt was a long term program builder at UGA, consistently brought in classes ranked in the top 10 (usually around 7ish), he built good (and occasionally very good) teams but not elite teams. However, even with those top 10 classes, there just wasn't enough talent to be on the same level as Bama. Kirby Smart came in and immediately started landing classes in the top 3. Some can say it's because Smart played the bag game and Richt didn't, but you don't get prizes for not getting your hands dirty. It also didn't take long for Smart to start winning big time games over ranked teams, which Richt had a tendency to lose even though his UGA teams might have had as much (or more) talent on paper. I think we'll get something similar with Cristobal, he'll recruit in the 7 to 8 range, UM will have a team that might win an ACC title once or twice in 10 years, and if we're lucky UM will hire someone more dynamic to take the program to the next level around 2032. Of course, this being UM I can pretty much guarantee the next guy will be a "UM guy." Might as well start negotiating with Ken Dorsey now.

 

[ddann]

Shut up! Saban didn’t have top 15 talent when he lost to those bums

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

So Diaz gets no credit for bringing in King or having an offense that leveraged his strengths. Interesting.

We are giving our worst head coach ever credit now?


This year does suck!

 

[TemplarCane]

I mean he beat better teams Than the teams Mario beat this year. we haven't beaten anyone good and lost to a really bad team in a blowout. also, I think its easier for a guy like lane bc he coordinates a side of the ball and like you said brought his QB w him. hes also shown that his offense has worked everywhere hes been (ECU, OU, USC). also, fwiw, I dont think Mario is in the Lincoln Riley class of coaches. again it doenst mean Mario sucks but he just inst what Riley is. I think Riley is a guy who will get a title while Mario will help build a good roster to get the pieces in place for an elite HC to get to a title.

I’m not trying to discredit Riley or absolve Mario.

 

[E1k]

Thank u good sir;

Which is y these type of reports don’t mean chit w/o context.

1. DT - I’ve been banging home this point for yrs now; we’ve been lackluster in this dept for quite some time, which is absolutely asinine when we think about the history of our program w/ impact, play making DTs. Here, we have only 2 blue chips, one via the portal. That’s absolutely unacceptable.

2. DE - Much better room, & looks good on paper; however, two are true freshman still developing, so that brings that room down just a tad

3. LB - Another unimaginable room based upon our history. We only have 3 “blue chips” here, where one is a true freshman still developing, one has been here for 5 yrs & still has a HS body, & the other has a ton of upside, but under 2 staffs now, can’t see the field for one reason or another.

4. WR - Frustrates the chit out of me. We have one who is injured, one can’t see the field, one has been here since George Mira was toting the rock around & remains inconsistent, one is a true freshman still developing, & we have one who has a ton of potential.

Chit makes no sense, which is y that whole “blue chip argument means chit.” 55% is not very good IF ur entire evals is not flawless. And let’s keep it a buck; the guys who transferred who were considered blue chips have been *** at their new homes, too. Teams like Bama, UGA, & OSU stack an absurd amount of blue chips b/c they r not hitting 100% on evals. Some guys peak way too fast & never get better. So if they have an 89% ratio, they can afford to miss on 15 - 20%; we cannot!

Thank you bruh…Im gonna start copy n pasting your responses to this typa **** lol

 

[GojiraCane]

Cristobal is basically a poor man's Mark Richt, but getting paid like a rich man's Mark Richt. Richt was a long term program builder at UGA, consistently brought in classes ranked in the top 10 (usually around 7ish), he built good (and occasionally very good) teams but not elite teams. However, even with those top 10 classes, there just wasn't enough talent to be on the same level as Bama. Kirby Smart came in and immediately started landing classes in the top 3. Some can say it's because Smart played the bag game and Richt didn't, but you don't get prizes for not getting your hands dirty. It also didn't take long for Smart to start winning big time games over ranked teams, which Richt had a tendency to lose even though his UGA teams might have had as much (or more) talent on paper. I think we'll get something similar with Cristobal, he'll recruit in the 7 to 8 range, UM will have a team that might win an ACC title once or twice in 10 years, and if we're lucky UM will hire someone more dynamic to take the program to the next level around 2032. Of course, this being UM I can pretty much guarantee the next guy will be a "UM guy." Might as well start negotiating with Ken Dorsey now.

I think moreover, Kirby got a massive boost in spending by Georgia versus Richt. Perhaps as big of a boost as Mario got from Miami over conditions under Manny.

Georgia went 10-3 under Mark Richt in 2015. Kirby Smart went 7-5 the following year. Like Saban, he had a huge jump in year two however.

 

[SWFLHurricane]

I think moreover, Kirby got a massive boost in spending by Georgia versus Richt. Perhaps as big of a boost as Mario got from Miami over conditions under Manny.

Georgia went 10-3 under Mark Richt in 2015. Kirby Smart went 7-5 the following year. Like Saban, he had a huge jump in year two however.

Sony Michel got $200,000 behind Richts back....Kirby was illegally dropping HEFTY Bags his 2nd yr....learned that from Saban.

 

[PSU Cane]

Most former OL and DC’s want to depend on the trenches. Dc’s want to lean on the defense so they tend to be more conservative. Former OL do the same, lean on the run game and OL. Also tend to be conservative. If you’re conservative and stuck in your predictable ways you’re flirting with danger every week. No matter how talented you are. That’s one reason Mario always has 1-2 head scratching losses every year.

Thats why I think Venerables will be fine when it’s all said and done. Going out and hiring Lebby told me a lot about his mentality. He’s going to recruit talent and close all the holes left when Riley bounced. Plus you know that d will be right or close to right by the time they jump to the Sec.

The thing about Mario though, eventhough he’s a former OL, Miami averaged more passes per game than runs each of his 4 years.….3 of those 4 years they averaged 40+ passes per game. The low was 36. So he played for an offense 30+ years ago that threw the ball all over. What “old school” offense is he holding on to?

 

[Rellyrell]

Cristobal is basically a poor man's Mark Richt, but getting paid like a rich man's Mark Richt. Richt was a long term program builder at UGA, consistently brought in classes ranked in the top 10 (usually around 7ish), he built good (and occasionally very good) teams but not elite teams. However, even with those top 10 classes, there just wasn't enough talent to be on the same level as Bama. Kirby Smart came in and immediately started landing classes in the top 3. Some can say it's because Smart played the bag game and Richt didn't, but you don't get prizes for not getting your hands dirty. It also didn't take long for Smart to start winning big time games over ranked teams, which Richt had a tendency to lose even though his UGA teams might have had as much (or more) talent on paper. I think we'll get something similar with Cristobal, he'll recruit in the 7 to 8 range, UM will have a team that might win an ACC title once or twice in 10 years, and if we're lucky UM will hire someone more dynamic to take the program to the next level around 2032. Of course, this being UM I can pretty much guarantee the next guy will be a "UM guy." Might as well start negotiating with Ken Dorsey now.

U do realize that Smart took over a 10-3 UGA team under Richt, & proceeded to go 8-5 immediately thereafter, right? So Smart takes a 10 win team & go 8-5 yr 1, but Mario takes over a 7-5 Miami team & u want him to do what, exactly, yr 1?

U do also realize that Kirby Smart was given the moniker of Kirby dumb, right? In fact, right here on our very own CIS, we broke down, myself included, how Smart & Richt were eerily paralleling each other’s coaching record 5 yrs into his tenure. The difference is in yr 6, Kirby finally broke through & won it all.

 

[MiamisMoperiestMopes]

I find it a little strange that star players followed Riley from Oklahoma but Cristobal wasn't able to convince any Oregon players from the east coast to transfer closer to home.

And Cristobal didn't need a QB to transfer because he already had the acc rookie of the year at QB. Unfortunately Cristobal decided he didn't like having a pass oriented offense so TVDs talents were wasted for 4 games. As for WR - I'm not going to put that on Cristobal but I will say it looks like there is a very talented WR already on the roster that isn't getting much burn because he isn't a Greentree All American.

sagapolu and denis came over and are in their 3rd year with Mario/mirabal/Feld and can’t crack the starting lineup of the supposed OL jags we have.

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

proceeded to go 8-5 immediately thereafter, right?

Not all 8-5 seasons are the same, just like not all blue chips are the same.

Richt lost both games against the only ranked teams in his 10 win season (#13 Bama and #11 UF) . It's a lot like our 10 win season where his teams weren't actually that good but caught some lucky breaks over bad teams. Richts 2015 squad had a 9-6 win over a 5 win Missouri squad , a 23-17 win over Georgia Southern(!), and another 13-7 close call with Georgia Tech.

Smart had a vastly more difficult schedule and played 5 ranked teams. His team beat #22 UNC to start the season and #8 Auburn towards the end of the season (so that was a legit top 10 Auburn, not like a super early game against a supposed top 10 that turns out to not be good). He got clobbered by #13 Missouri, lost a close one to #11 Tennessee, and lost by a couple TDs to #14 Florida. So that's 3 of the 5 losses, which were to ranked teams. His other two losses were 1 pt losses. The one to Vandy is bad but Vandy surprisingly wasn't a bottom feeder that year. They actually qualified for a bowl game. GT won 9 games and wasnt a pushover either. There isn't any remotely close to the rectal trauma that Middle Tennessee State put on Miami.

So if you are a UGA fan, you can reasonably point to the late season win over #8 Auburn and say "Ok, this guy is capable of winning a big game, but his teams are inconsistent." This is in contrast to Richt where you could say his teams are consistently bad against quality opponents and played down to the opponent waaaaay to much.

And the other two important things about Smarts first season at UGA are that 1) it was his first year EVER as HC so he gets a little bit of slack and 2) he landed a top 3 class so the 8-5 season didn't hurt recruiting at all. Cristobal has been doing this long enough he shouldn't need a learning curve and I think we are going to be lucky to finish with a top 10 class. As I've said in another thread if he manages to land a top 5 class this year I won't care at all about this season. Unfortunately I think the chances of that are near zero because recruits are not impressed with the "eye violation" that is 2022 UM football.