MaRiO NeEds his OwN GuYs

[OrangeBowlMagic]

Venables- lifetime DC. Could have tried to be a HC years ago but didn't want to do it because he didn't have the desire. Also slightly neurotic. Don't think he will be a successful HC at Oklahoma.
Kelly- probably the best overall coach on the list, but if there was ever a mismatch of coach and culture, it would be Kelly at LSU.
Freeman- Freeman is in over his head.
Sunbelt Billy- Come on bro. It's Sunbelt Billy
Lanning- ? TBD

You listed a lot of corches and guys in over their heads. Putting Cristobal on this list of bad/mismatched corches who are underperforming relative to the talent is not a good sign.

I forgot. Everybody sucks. You're right. Carry on.

 

[Dgixxer252525]

This is a horrible take!

There are only 3 teams with a CHANCE of winning a natty this year. BAMA/GA/OSU. The rest are just like us honestly. Playing for fun

 

[TaylorWalls]

Chris Peterson wins 12 games in the Pac-12 = "He would be UNGODLY with our talent!"
Mario Cristobal wins 12 games in the Pac-12 = "Meh, the Pac-12 stinks."

CIS gonna CIS.

 

[TaylorWalls]

This is a horrible take!

There are only 3 teams with a CHANCE of winning a natty this year. BAMA/GA/OSU. The rest are just like us honestly. Playing for fun

This is why college football is boring anymore. Even the 6th best team has no prayer.

 

[jps2344]

The truth is somewhere in the middle. Mario, his offensive philosophy and the offensive staff has shown to be stubborn as ****. Taking four games to realize adjustments need to be made to fit the talent is malpractice. Especially when anyone with a lick of sense saw this early in the season. People defending Mario and ripping players has been my biggest issue the last month, when I know the coaches aren’t helping the situation. They cared more about doing things their way offensively rather than melding the offense to the players. That’s uncalled for and i won’t defend it regardless who the coach is. This is more than a player issue.

All the crap leaking out ripping the players and the culture is not a good look. I mean players see this stuff. Even if it’s true it doesn’t need to be out there especially with where it’s coming from.

And there are points to your argument I agree with as well. Like most things in life it’s a little bit of both. There were some adjustments made this past weekend and some guys stepped up and showed vast improvement, completely agree with that. The WR group from the minute Mario walked in all the way through the conclusion of camp was bad. The staff’s overall impression is that leaning on them was not sustainable. We ran the ball efficiently the first three games, especially at A&M which wasn’t expected and then things went awry with the first couple passes against MTSU.

I always preface my constructive criticism when I involve athletes as they are young men and are very much a product to what they’ve been subjected to this point, specifically the hit garbage on and off the field under Manny. Reality is, inconsistent kicking, INT’s, fumbles, and repeated drops with a WR group which HAS NOT put in the extra work necessary (two exceptions) is on the players. Add blown assignments in the mix as well. Respectfully I have no respect for the ones who just show up, do the bare minimum, or don’t do the bare minimum and end up getting hurt or whining on social media because they don’t see the field. My point of view comes from the experience of having to be the guy who had to put the extra work in just to make the squad, much less get meaningful playing time, all while I was 18 to 22 years old. I know plenty around me who were the same way as well. All while something like NIL being a pipe dream at the time to boot.

 

[gacaneaddict]

I know this, thus years Oregon team was going to be pretty loaded had Mario stayed, and much better roster than this Miami team.

They lost players to portal that left when Mario left, and they lost some key recruits after he left.

I think he was about to sign a top 5 class had he stayed at Oregon.

Specifically he had 5 star Kelvin Banks committed who has been the best true freshman OL in America starting for Texas this year.

 

[Canestomp]

Change out the mortadella for some Capicola and you have a home run. That looks dope. Ive just never been a fan of mortadella.

I, too, am high class.

 

[90scane]

Still think we should be sitting at 3-2 or 4-1. The good news, Miami has one of the easiest remaining schedules of these 15 teams. ND, OU, and Oregon have the best chances of looking "good" with first-year coaches. Miami could turn the corner and go 6-1 but that is a BIG TURN.

Undefeated Teams
Bama - 16th year (please retire)
Clemson - 15th year
PSU - 9th year
Michigan - 8th year
UGA - 7th year
OSU - 4.5 year

Texas 4-2 2nd year (5 ranked teams left to play)
ATM 3-3 5th year! (Ole Miss, UiF, Auburn, LSU)

Oregon 5-1 New Coach (Utah, UW, UCLA left to play)
UiF 4-2 New Coach (ATM, LSU, UGA, FSU left to play)
LSU 4-2 New Coach (UiF, ATM, Ark, Bama, Ole Miss)
ND 3-2 - New Coach (Cuse, Clemson, USC)
Auburn 3-3 New Coach (Ole Miss, Ark, Miss St, Bama, ATM)
OU 3-3- New Coach (Kansas, Baylor, OkSt)
Miami 2-3 New Coach (Clemson, FSU, Pitt)

Teams that should be pretty close: USC 45%, UNC 38%, FSU 35%, Tenn 30%

 

[Dgixxer252525]

This is why college football is boring anymore. Even the 6th best team has no prayer.

Exactly. I would argue that the 4th best team has no prayer.

So if this is the case. And we know we aren’t 75%-80% blue chip, why argue that we need to win now or we are doomed? No one else is winning with anything under 75% blue chip ratio.

I’ve never been into being the top loser. Finishing second place sucks. If we k ow we aren’t 75-80% blue chip then how TF can we expect to win anything meaningful?

These coaches aren’t magicians. Send Saban to FSU and see what he would do with their talent. Or even here to Miami. He’d lose like he did in the NFL with an equal playing field.

He wins because he has more talent. It’s like Joe Torre with the Yankees in the early 2000s. He wasn’t magical, he had the horses to win. He went to LA and lost without the talent.

I’m sick of hearing about scheme and coaching. That isn’t the game. The game is recruiting and talent. With more talent than everyone else, you’ll win more than anyone else. With 55% blue chip ratio, we are battling for mediocrity…

 

[gogeta4]

I know this, thus years Oregon team was going to be pretty loaded had Mario stayed, and much better roster than this Miami team.

They lost players to portal that left when Mario left, and they lost some key recruits after he left.

I think he was about to sign a top 5 class had he stayed at Oregon.

Specifically he had 5 star Kelvin Banks committed who has been the best true freshman OL in America starting for Texas this year.

An STILL woulda lost to Oregon State and USC or Utah.
Like clockwork...

Loses to a team habve no business too...and if talent is close with 1 or 2 you can chuck that up as a lost.

The pac 12 from a talent perspective is the worst power 5 ocnference i dont care how much yall sh*t on the acc.

 

[Cribby]

An STILL woulda lost to Oregon State and USC or Utah.
Like clockwork...

Loses to a team habve no business too...and if talent is close with 1 or 2 you can chuck that up as a lost.

The pac 12 from a talent perspective is the worst power 5 ocnference i dont care how much yall sh*t on the acc.

Most former OL and DC’s want to depend on the trenches. Dc’s want to lean on the defense so they tend to be more conservative. Former OL do the same, lean on the run game and OL. Also tend to be conservative. If you’re conservative and stuck in your predictable ways you’re flirting with danger every week. No matter how talented you are. That’s one reason Mario always has 1-2 head scratching losses every year.

Thats why I think Venerables will be fine when it’s all said and done. Going out and hiring Lebby told me a lot about his mentality. He’s going to recruit talent and close all the holes left when Riley bounced. Plus you know that d will be right or close to right by the time they jump to the Sec.

 

[gogeta4]

Most former OL and DC’s want to depend on the trenches. Dc’s want to lean on the defense so they tend to be more conservative. Former OL do the same, lean on the run game and OL. Also tend to be conservative. If you’re conservative and stuck in your predictable ways you’re flirting with danger every week. No matter how talented you are. That’s one reason Mario always has 1-2 head scratching losses every year.

Thats why I think Venerables will be fine when it’s all said and done. Going out and hiring Lebby told me a lot about his mentality. He’s going to recruit talent and close all the holes left when Riley bounced. Plus you know that d will be right or close to right by the time they jump to the Sec.

Ima former Ol myself obviously but my thoughts on offense is TOTALLLLY different.

Mario is more old school in his way of thinking and like you stated for some reason every time i watched Oregon they were losing to a bum school or in a fight to death with lower talented teams and its because of the bolded and what I knew it would be and why i was all Lane Train during the coaching search.

 

[90scane]

Does someone want to do a 2 deep of this talent? I have a feeling that OL and DL isn't looking anything close to Bluechip level. Sure we have some young 4* talent like LT and Rivers BUT we don't have 4/5 year kids that are 4-5* kids.

 

[sdaly12]

Bullsh't.

This was the 16th ranked team in the preseason.
Had a QB that was getting plenty of first round hype.
And one of only 15 teams in the country that had that magical blue chip ratio > 50%.

Yeah, about that...

You don't need a Bama-caliber roster to beat average teams like UNC or Texas A&M. You need that kind of talent to win championships, not money games against Middle Tennessee State.

Coming into the season most fans expected us to lose 3-4 games a year. The way we're playing this year, we're staring 6-7 losses in the face. This is no surprise as Cristobal routinely lost to teams he shouldn't have at Oregon. He's not a good coach, and the way he views football (run-heavy, slow paced) leaves little margin for error.

Hopefully he has an epiphany and changes the way he views football. Even with a talent advantage over 90% of the teams we play, X's and O's will matter.

If Saban can change , pray tell why can't CMC ? College football is all about pace & tempo and getting players in space to make plays, forget the bunched WR plays and let TVD do what he does best throw the ball downfield
alway be thinking TD's...& chunk plays

 

[Cribby]

Ima former Ol myself obviously but my thoughts on offense is TOTALLLLY different.

Mario is more old school in his way of thinking and like you stated for some reason every time i watched Oregon they were losing to a bum school or in a fight to death with lower talented teams and its because of the bolded and what I knew it would be and why i was all Lane Train during the coaching search.

I was fine with Lane even thought he wasn’t my top choice. Him in SFLA scared me some after everything I heard lol.

 

[Gocanes1990]

And there are points to your argument I agree with as well. Like most things in life it’s a little bit of both. There were some adjustments made this past weekend and some guys stepped up and showed vast improvement, completely agree with that. The WR group from the minute Mario walked in all the way through the conclusion of camp was bad. The staff’s overall impression is that leaning on them was not sustainable. We ran the ball efficiently the first three games, especially at A&M which wasn’t expected and then things went awry with the first couple passes against MTSU.

I always preface my constructive criticism when I involve athletes as they are young men and are very much a product to what they’ve been subjected to this point, specifically the hit garbage on and off the field under Manny. Reality is, inconsistent kicking, INT’s, fumbles, and repeated drops with a WR group which HAS NOT put in the extra work necessary (two exceptions) is on the players. Add blown assignments in the mix as well. Respectfully I have no respect for the ones who just show up, do the bare minimum, or don’t do the bare minimum and end up getting hurt or whining on social media because they don’t see the field. My point of view comes from the experience of having to be the guy who had to put the extra work in just to make the squad, much less get meaningful playing time, all while I was 18 to 22 years old. I know plenty around me who were the same way as well. All while something like NIL being a pipe dream at the time to boot.

Well said, I’ll just add that talent + work = sustained success. The examples of those who are cane greats include ST & playmaker. In basketball Kobe was the embodiment of that, perhaps to a fault. Speaking of Kobe, has anyone seen the Redeem Team doc?

One of the scenes has Carlos Boozer speaking about their training camp. The guys all went out Kobe stayed in. The team came back from the club and Kobe was leaving to go to the facility to get work in at 5:30am. The next time this happens it was Wade and Bron plus Kobe. Eventually it was the entire team was in the gym. Small sacrifices, hard work and talent. That was the recipe for redemption. Because the pain of discipline was greater than the pain of regret.

Flat out we do not have that culture here. FFS Restrepo got clowned for working too hard last year. Furthermore there is so little talent on this team that no one is pushing guys forward. It’s Redding pushing Young? Who’s the Kobe getting shots up? Because the guys on that USA basketball team sure as **** weren’t clowning Kobe for skipping out on the club and putting in the extra work. TALENT + Work ethic = greatness. This is the formula @LuCane laid out in his post about changing culture. My hope is the team keeps working and improving. I’ll judge Mario and the staff on that.

 

[PIPO]

The truth is somewhere in the middle. Mario, his offensive philosophy and the offensive staff has shown to be stubborn as ****. Taking four games to realize adjustments need to be made to fit the talent is malpractice. Especially when anyone with a lick of sense saw this early in the season. People defending Mario and ripping players has been my biggest issue the last month, when I know the coaches aren’t helping the situation. They cared more about doing things their way offensively rather than melding the offense to the players. That’s uncalled for and i won’t defend it regardless who the coach is. This is more than a player issue.

All the crap leaking out ripping the players and the culture is not a good look. I mean players see this stuff. Even if it’s true it doesn’t need to be out there especially with where it’s coming from.

**** of a new avatar, friend.

 

[jps2344]

Well said, I’ll just add that talent + work = sustained success. The examples of those who are cane greats include ST & playmaker. In basketball Kobe was the embodiment of that, perhaps to a fault. Speaking of Kobe, has anyone seen the Redeem Team doc?

One of the scenes has Carlos Boozer speaking about their training camp. The guys all went out Kobe stayed in. The team came back from the club and Kobe was leaving to go to the facility to get work in at 5:30am. The next time this happens it was Wade and Bron plus Kobe. Eventually it was the entire team was in the gym. Small sacrifices, hard work and talent. That was the recipe for redemption. Because the pain of discipline was greater than the pain of regret.

Flat out we do not have that culture here. FFS Restrepo got clowned for working too hard last year. Furthermore there is so little talent on this team that no one is pushing guys forward. It’s Redding pushing Young? Who’s the Kobe getting shots up? Because the guys on that USA basketball team sure as **** weren’t clowning Kobe for skipping out on the club and putting in the extra work. TALENT + Work ethic = greatness. This is the formula @LuCane laid out in his post about changing culture. My hope is the team keeps working and improving. I’ll judge Mario and the staff on that.

I’ll say it again. If this is going on next year but more specifically two years plus from now we have an issue again. Blue chip BS is just that. 3* teams consistently kick and beat down 4* loaded teams. Part of that is the chip on the shoulder, compete till you win mentality a lot of those guys have. Or you’re the top 3 and you have the 4 and 5*’s who do the same. Ultimately it’s all culture and actually having enough bodies at the right spots to make this a thing of the past.

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

If Saban can change , pray tell why can't CMC ? College football is all about pace & tempo and getting players in space to make plays, forget the bunched WR plays and let TVD do what he does best throw the ball downfield
alway be thinking TD's...& chunk plays

I think an interesting comparison is between Mark Richt and Kirby Smart. How is it that a brand new coach, who at the time he was hired was being paid less than Richt, managed to win a natty in less than 5 years, which is something that Richt couldn't accomplish in 15? Did UGA suddenly provide Smart with resources it denied Richt? Not really - there wasn't some massive increase in investment after Richt (otherwise UGA probably pays for a far more expensive and experienced HC to replace Richt). So why did Smart succeed where Richt failed?

 

[305407cane]

Our 2018 class was top 10. But in reality that class was garbage. Except Greg. Bunch of busts transfers jags and a few starters like brevin Mallory scaife but no guys who blew you away except Greg who’s gone and only played a year. So trust me that our blue chip ratio may not be what it is in reality.