Scout had Miami #1 as of yesterday.
He is a bad talent evaluator not recruiter. If you take a look at who we got we should be a top 10 team. Corn Elder is one of the best CB we got but was probably the lowest rated.
Corn elder was a consensus 4 star recruit. What do you mean?
Yeah right. I do remember we got him late after NSD. Most people were still high on Tracey and Artie who both turned out to be JAGs
Denzel Perryman, Eddie Johnson, and Alex Figueroa might be better examples of under rated guys that we got right.
Figs did absolutely nothing... Johnson was a head banger yet decent linebacker(he wasn't a superstar like some fans made him out to be) and Barrow had to beg Al to take Perryman or he would have been tomahawk chopping... I wouldn't say the staff got them right... And I can't put Figs and EJ on DP's level..,
Other than Alex Collins or Dalvin Cook, what South Florida kid did Golden miss out on that would have made a difference in our record last year?
Matt Thomas?
Jaynard Bostwick?
Keith Bryant?
Here are just three:
Amari Cooper
Denver Kirkland
Skai Moore
Amari Cooper: Nothing to be said
Denver Kirkland: Better than any OL on our roster, except maybe Flowers
Skai Moore: Dude has been a player at USCe since day one. Looked good beating us.
He is a bad talent evaluator not recruiter. If you take a look at who we got we should be a top 10 team. Corn Elder is one of the best CB we got but was probably the lowest rated.
Corn elder was a consensus 4 star recruit. What do you mean?
Yeah right. I do remember we got him late after NSD. Most people were still high on Tracey and Artie who both turned out to be JAGs
Denzel Perryman, Eddie Johnson, and Alex Figueroa might be better examples of under rated guys that we got right.
Scout had Miami #1 as of yesterday.
Some have already explained the ranking, whatever it may be, but ill try once again.
The sheer number of early recruits is what has us ranked highly. It isn't quality (I'm by no means saying we don't have some quality) and that's why other schools are knocking on the doorstep or already through the door with much fewer recruits. Their recruits are more respected or highly regarded than what we've got so far.
I've always said one shouldn't pay attention to where a class is ranked, but instead the average recruit ranking. The larger classes often times inflate the rankings in whatever teams favor.
As for Golden the recruiter, his rate of attrition speaks volumes. A guy who's supposed to be good at this wouldn't have so many early departures consisting of never arriving on campus, getting kicked off the team for poor conduct, or just moved on because they should've never been here to begin with. He does a poor job of getting players to fill his needs as evidenced by the play on the field.
I'm dumbfounded this thread is still going.
I'm dumbfounded this thread is still going.
A lot of FSU and UF trolls on here.....
Corn elder was a consensus 4 star recruit. What do you mean?
Yeah right. I do remember we got him late after NSD. Most people were still high on Tracey and Artie who both turned out to be JAGs
Denzel Perryman, Eddie Johnson, and Alex Figueroa might be better examples of under rated guys that we got right.
corn was recruited by everyone was rb. golden felt he would be a better CB. i mean who were really busts? he found armbrister a slow safety who was a late signee, gunter a 2 star juco no one heard of and peirre who no one besides temple wanted and they will all have nfl careers. i think he has no idea how to run a scheme. much different than talent.
this (meaning i agree), goldens problem is the scheme he runs
i saw a lot of tracy in high school and i wasnt too impressed with him coming out, i was really surprised that he was rated so high, as for artie burns he was really really raw at corner coming in, ive stated hes good at one on one coverage but when the ball gets there he messes up a lot of coaches down here thought he was over rated also, corn is a straight up baller, courtel has looked good for us, pierre and zel, walford was a no star comes in and turns into one of the top TEs in the nation, rayshawn scott, the problem that has always been on golden is the scheme and his hard headedness to change it and fire the bad coaches
He didn't recruit Walford... Walford as well as Duke, Dorsett and Feliciano either sign or committed to Shannon... Al's eye for talent is overrated...
He is a bad talent evaluator not recruiter. If you take a look at who we got we should be a top 10 team. Corn Elder is one of the best CB we got but was probably the lowest rated.
Corn elder was a consensus 4 star recruit. What do you mean?
Yeah right. I do remember we got him late after NSD. Most people were still high on Tracey and Artie who both turned out to be JAGs
Denzel Perryman, Eddie Johnson, and Alex Figueroa might be better examples of under rated guys that we got right.
Figs did absolutely nothing... Johnson was a head banger yet decent linebacker(he wasn't a superstar like some fans made him out to be) and Barrow had to beg Al to take Perryman or he would have been tomahawk chopping... I wouldn't say the staff got them right... And I can't put Figs and EJ on DP's level..,
Figs played well as a freshman and would have been a starter last season and this season. EJ was a freak of a high school player and had the coaches been able to control him he would have been a 3 year starter. My point was none of these guys were rated very well and they were all studs (though 2 left us early). We have 2 star guys like them doing well while guys like Jamel Carter, Artie Burns, Tracy Howard, and Tryiq McCord amount to nothing. The 4 guys I mentioned were all 4 or 5 star prospects.
While the data shows that 4 and 5 star players are far more likely to make the NFL I think talent evaluation in south Florida is some of the worst in the country. You have guys that can look great a 7v7 camp but the results don't show on the field. You have guys that are automatically 3 star recruits before they start a game (Ryan Mayes). The talent is in south Florida they are just giving the wrong ratings to the wrong guys.
To prove this take a look at these numbers:
State of Florida
2011 4 and 5 Star (Scout) 41
2015 NFL Draft: 30
State of Georgia
2011 4 and 5 Star (Scout) 23
2015 NFL Draft: 37
Isn't the 2016 class ranked #1 as of now? I know it's June but this is positive news, no?
No. FSU and OSU are ahead on the 247 composite. Every other team in the top 10 besides Kentucky have 7-10 less commits too...
Miami legit has 5 3stars who should be rated 4stars.... And several of the 4stars are not properly rated....
Everyone is missing the point.
Golden could not win with 7 NFL draft picks in addition to elite underclassmen like Jermaine Grace, Stacey Coley, Chad Thomas, etc.
You could give Golden Alabama's roster in 2014 and he would win 7-8 games tops. You could give Golden FSU's roster in 2014 and he would win 7-8 games tops.
The point is that Golden, Dnofrio and Coley are significantly inferior to their peers on the other sideline in every aspect of game planning, preparation and in game adjustment.
I don't care how much talent he has....he simply cannot win more than 9 games.
there was a lot of kids he couldnt offer until the sanctions went away, they were self imposing and swigning for kids they couldn't keep in miami then had to go to plan B's alot.
Yeah right. I do remember we got him late after NSD. Most people were still high on Tracey and Artie who both turned out to be JAGs
Denzel Perryman, Eddie Johnson, and Alex Figueroa might be better examples of under rated guys that we got right.
corn was recruited by everyone was rb. golden felt he would be a better CB. i mean who were really busts? he found armbrister a slow safety who was a late signee, gunter a 2 star juco no one heard of and peirre who no one besides temple wanted and they will all have nfl careers. i think he has no idea how to run a scheme. much different than talent.
this (meaning i agree), goldens problem is the scheme he runs
i saw a lot of tracy in high school and i wasnt too impressed with him coming out, i was really surprised that he was rated so high, as for artie burns he was really really raw at corner coming in, ive stated hes good at one on one coverage but when the ball gets there he messes up a lot of coaches down here thought he was over rated also, corn is a straight up baller, courtel has looked good for us, pierre and zel, walford was a no star comes in and turns into one of the top TEs in the nation, rayshawn scott, the problem that has always been on golden is the scheme and his hard headedness to change it and fire the bad coaches
He didn't recruit Walford... Walford as well as Duke, Dorsett and Feliciano either sign or committed to Shannon... Al's eye for talent is overrated...
He developed them very well though. Outside of Duke would you have thought dorsett would go in the 1st round? Clive in the 3rd? Feliciano even being drafted?
Corn elder was a consensus 4 star recruit. What do you mean?
Yeah right. I do remember we got him late after NSD. Most people were still high on Tracey and Artie who both turned out to be JAGs
Denzel Perryman, Eddie Johnson, and Alex Figueroa might be better examples of under rated guys that we got right.
corn was recruited by everyone was rb. golden felt he would be a better CB. i mean who were really busts? he found armbrister a slow safety who was a late signee, gunter a 2 star juco no one heard of and peirre who no one besides temple wanted and they will all have nfl careers. i think he has no idea how to run a scheme. much different than talent.
this (meaning i agree), goldens problem is the scheme he runs
i saw a lot of tracy in high school and i wasnt too impressed with him coming out, i was really surprised that he was rated so high, as for artie burns he was really really raw at corner coming in, ive stated hes good at one on one coverage but when the ball gets there he messes up a lot of coaches down here thought he was over rated also, corn is a straight up baller, courtel has looked good for us, pierre and zel, walford was a no star comes in and turns into one of the top TEs in the nation, rayshawn scott, the problem that has always been on golden is the scheme and his hard headedness to change it and fire the bad coaches
He didn't recruit Walford... Walford as well as Duke, Dorsett and Feliciano either sign or committed to Shannon... Al's eye for talent is overrated...