Jon Drummond and Chad Wilson....and a question for Pete.....

[NoahZach]

Death penalty was NEVER AVAILABLE because we were not on probation when the violations occurred. Shows you how dumb the media and Emmert are.

We are on probation now.....any ***** ups and they will throw the f**ing book at us.

So an administrator of this site thinks we should play ball with these shady characters? Interesting.

Adapt or die

Wow. Really? Did we just not go through a period of turmoil where the death penalty was being discussed and we got off easier than expected because the NCAA ****ed up?

Please stop with the Death penalty... We wasn't going to get that... A few talking heads brought it up for attention but it was never a reality... There will never be another Death Penalty... Both OSU and USC committed infractions that were worse than us and they never came close to a death penalty... Death Penalty also includes a tv ban and they don't do that anymore... Opposing schools say it hurts them as well...

Everyone isn't getting paid, our coaches have to just win... The coaches in the area has always behaved like this... We just need to win... No complaining about it... Although they have flaws what good is it to get rid of those guys then anger the youth in the community? Like it or not these players look up to those guys...

Weren't we on probation stemming from that baseball issue at the time? Isn't that what allowed the NCAA to reach back beyond the 4 year limitation period? That's what I understood anyway.

 

[NoahZach]

WTF are these guys "mentoring" them with?

Their hand, palm facing the sky. You never hear of a "MENTOR" with a kid from SO FL who goes to say FIU or GA Southern, low end 1-A or high end 1-AA schools, who by the way are pretty solid players in their own right.

Not true Yearby mentor (since Pete threw him out there) is also TY mentor. Along with a host of other kids that will never come close to a Miami offer. You won't hear about a mentor because this shiit ain't about him just the kids.

You also wont hear people talking about Jon Drummond driving all these kids to schools like WKU Cincinnati & Akron but he does it in the summer. Chad Wislon taking Causey and Lammons on trips to UT & USC when he already knew Quincy was going to UF.

Those may be wonderful acts of kindness or they may just be the cost of doing business--driving kids in the summer to build credibility and a positive reputation, establishes contacts in places, etc. It isn't the act, but the motivation that is key. If there are designs on a pay day, even if only on other kids, everything is subject to question.

 

[IHATETHISPLACE]

Those may be wonderful acts of kindness or they may just be the cost of doing business--driving kids in the summer to build credibility and a positive reputation, establishes contacts in places, etc. It isn't the act, but the motivation that is key. If there are designs on a pay day, even if only on other kids, everything is subject to question.

The truth is we dont know what there motivation is. What we do know is they are helping kids go to college. People only seem to get ****ed at them when a kid doesn't go to their school. Nobody is yelling about Yearby's mentor but there are a million threads about Genron because valentine didn't go to Miami.

Not a lot of people taking crap about Ice this year with Thomas and Jackson going to Miami but last year people said he was the devil.

 

[DiegoCane]

Those may be wonderful acts of kindness or they may just be the cost of doing business--driving kids in the summer to build credibility and a positive reputation, establishes contacts in places, etc. It isn't the act, but the motivation that is key. If there are designs on a pay day, even if only on other kids, everything is subject to question.

The truth is we dont know what there motivation is. What we do know is they are helping kids go to college. People only seem to get ****ed at them when a kid doesn't go to their school. Nobody is yelling about Yearby's mentor but there are a million threads about Genron because valentine didn't go to Miami.

Not a lot of people taking crap about Ice this year with Thomas and Jackson going to Miami but last year people said he was the devil.

Not true at all. People have talked about Genron way before Valentine.

Don't lump mentors with handlers.

 

[Muecane]

Those may be wonderful acts of kindness or they may just be the cost of doing business--driving kids in the summer to build credibility and a positive reputation, establishes contacts in places, etc. It isn't the act, but the motivation that is key. If there are designs on a pay day, even if only on other kids, everything is subject to question.

The truth is we dont know what there motivation is. What we do know is they are helping kids go to college. People only seem to get ****ed at them when a kid doesn't go to their school. Nobody is yelling about Yearby's mentor but there are a million threads about Genron because valentine didn't go to Miami.

Not a lot of people taking crap about Ice this year with Thomas and Jackson going to Miami but last year people said he was the devil.

Genron is on record bashing Miami and admitting to taking "gas and Mc Donalds" money. That's why we have a problem with him. If you Google Genron187 or Genron45 or Jon Drummond you will find thread from different non Miami boards bashing him because of his sleaziness and asinine social media posts bashing their coaches etc.

 

[Cane Convict]

Those may be wonderful acts of kindness or they may just be the cost of doing business--driving kids in the summer to build credibility and a positive reputation, establishes contacts in places, etc. It isn't the act, but the motivation that is key. If there are designs on a pay day, even if only on other kids, everything is subject to question.

The truth is we dont know what there motivation is. What we do know is they are helping kids go to college. People only seem to get ****ed at them when a kid doesn't go to their school. Nobody is yelling about Yearby's mentor but there are a million threads about Genron because valentine didn't go to Miami.

Not a lot of people taking crap about Ice this year with Thomas and Jackson going to Miami but last year people said he was the devil.

Yearby's handler didn't talk **** about a school he was considering. Genron not only talked **** about Miami and their coaches publicly but lied about current players wanting to leave the program. Two totally different situations, you don't know what the **** you're talking about.

 

[IHATETHISPLACE]

Yearby's handler didn't talk **** about a school he was considering. Genron not only talked **** about Miami and their coaches publicly but lied about current players wanting to leave the program. Two totally different situations, you don't know what the **** you're talking about.

I know about both of those situation. **** I was the one that said watch out for Valentines recruitment and Genron before anybody else on the site

 

[IHATETHISPLACE]

Those may be wonderful acts of kindness or they may just be the cost of doing business--driving kids in the summer to build credibility and a positive reputation, establishes contacts in places, etc. It isn't the act, but the motivation that is key. If there are designs on a pay day, even if only on other kids, everything is subject to question.

The truth is we dont know what there motivation is. What we do know is they are helping kids go to college. People only seem to get ****ed at them when a kid doesn't go to their school. Nobody is yelling about Yearby's mentor but there are a million threads about Genron because valentine didn't go to Miami.

Not a lot of people taking crap about Ice this year with Thomas and Jackson going to Miami but last year people said he was the devil.

Genron is on record bashing Miami and admitting to taking "gas and Mc Donalds" money. That's why we have a problem with him. If you Google Genron187 or Genron45 or Jon Drummond you will find thread from different non Miami boards bashing him because of his sleaziness and asinine social media posts bashing their coaches etc.

I dont like the guy but people get real selective when talking about the "handlers" and coaches.

 

[Andrew]

I don't think anyone is suggesting we start paying for recruits but we just can't say we don't plan on recruiting anyone associated with these two people. It is the job of the UM staff to have a good reputation in the community. I think Miami high school coaches have better leverage than coaches do in other states. In most places the school would roll out the red carpet for a college coach to stop by but in Miami it happens all the time so the schools and the coaches can be harder to please.

 

[NASTYQUEDAWG]

So an administrator of this site thinks we should play ball with these shady characters? Interesting.

Adapt or die

Winning trump all of this ish...

 

[IHATETHISPLACE]

I don't think anyone is suggesting we start paying for recruits but we just can't say we don't plan on recruiting anyone associated with these two people. It is the job of the UM staff to have a good reputation in the community. I think Miami high school coaches have better leverage than coaches do in other states. In most places the school would roll out the red carpet for a college coach to stop by but in Miami it happens all the time so the schools and the coaches can be harder to please.

It wasn't just Chad Wislon the Alumni and father that didnt get a sit down with Golden. It was Chard Wislon the assistant coach of SFE 7 vs 7 and defensive coordinator of U school

 

[NoahZach]

Those may be wonderful acts of kindness or they may just be the cost of doing business--driving kids in the summer to build credibility and a positive reputation, establishes contacts in places, etc. It isn't the act, but the motivation that is key. If there are designs on a pay day, even if only on other kids, everything is subject to question.

The truth is we dont know what there motivation is. What we do know is they are helping kids go to college. People only seem to get ****ed at them when a kid doesn't go to their school. Nobody is yelling about Yearby's mentor but there are a million threads about Genron because valentine didn't go to Miami.

Not a lot of people taking crap about Ice this year with Thomas and Jackson going to Miami but last year people said he was the devil.

That's just not accurate. If Pete had not mentioned that Yearby had someone close to him, I'm guessing most of us would not have known. There is nothing out there that I've heard to suggest that he was doing anything out of line. I don't have a problem with that. I would not have a problem learning that kids we wanted and did not get had people assisting them if there is nothing to suggest impropriety. Picking a college and a program is a huge decision and if a kid can get unbiased and pure intentioned guidance and help making a decision, that's great.

I'm by no means an insider or connected in any way. I'm just a Canes fan and follow recruiting on line. But, I had heard the name "Genron" with rumors swirling many years ago. Not a good sign. I don't know if any of what is out there about him is true, so I have no opinion on him.

I do have an opinion on the rumored conduct. Anyone who would do those kinds of things is lowlife dirtbag that I would not want anywhere near UM, whether he was pushing kids to or away from the program. That kind of person would be the problem with high school football in South Florida and with college football recruiting.

 

[Winky is Wright]

I don't think anyone is suggesting we start paying for recruits but we just can't say we don't plan on recruiting anyone associated with these two people. It is the job of the UM staff to have a good reputation in the community. I think Miami high school coaches have better leverage than coaches do in other states. In most places the school would roll out the red carpet for a college coach to stop by but in Miami it happens all the time so the schools and the coaches can be harder to please.

It is also the job of these "community leaders" to have a good reputation with our coaching staff.

I know, I know... If they don't like the staff they can just point their kids in another direction.

..but some of these kids truly do grow up wanting to be a Miami Hurricane. It'd suck for a kid like that to not receive an offer because one of his coaches wants Al Golden to wipe his ***.

 

[Canesontherise]

winky is right after all !!

 

[Muecane]

Those may be wonderful acts of kindness or they may just be the cost of doing business--driving kids in the summer to build credibility and a positive reputation, establishes contacts in places, etc. It isn't the act, but the motivation that is key. If there are designs on a pay day, even if only on other kids, everything is subject to question.

The truth is we dont know what there motivation is. What we do know is they are helping kids go to college. People only seem to get ****ed at them when a kid doesn't go to their school. Nobody is yelling about Yearby's mentor but there are a million threads about Genron because valentine didn't go to Miami.

Not a lot of people taking crap about Ice this year with Thomas and Jackson going to Miami but last year people said he was the devil.

Genron is on record bashing Miami and admitting to taking "gas and Mc Donalds" money. That's why we have a problem with him. If you Google Genron187 or Genron45 or Jon Drummond you will find thread from different non Miami boards bashing him because of his sleaziness and asinine social media posts bashing their coaches etc.

I dont like the guy but people get real selective when talking about the "handlers" and coaches.

You may call it selective but the reality is no one is saying all handlers/mentors are bad. People are calling out specific handlers because of verifiable and public statements by said individual. It makes sense to be selective bashing all handlers and or mentors is just dumb.

 

[am1640]

WTF are these guys "mentoring" them with?

Their hand, palm facing the sky. You never hear of a "MENTOR" with a kid from SO FL who goes to say FIU or GA Southern, low end 1-A or high end 1-AA schools, who by the way are pretty solid players in their own right.

Not true Yearby mentor (since Pete threw him out there) is also TY mentor. Along with a host of other kids that will never come close to a Miami offer. You won't hear about a mentor because this shiit ain't about him just the kids.

You also wont hear people talking about Jon Drummond driving all these kids to schools like WKU Cincinnati & Akron but he does it in the summer. Chad Wislon taking Causey and Lammons on trips to UT & USC when he already knew Quincy was going to UF.

Gtfooh You don't need to hear people talking about it you know why? Because he will make sure everyone knows he's doing it, unfortunately Sean Combs disease won't allow you do do **** without getting recognition for it. It's dudes doing the same **** and no one knows who the he'll they are or that they did it, but we all know about the handlers "good deeds"

Those may be wonderful acts of kindness or they may just be the cost of doing business--driving kids in the summer to build credibility and a positive reputation, establishes contacts in places, etc. It isn't the act, but the motivation that is key. If there are designs on a pay day, even if only on other kids, everything is subject to question.

The truth is we dont know what there motivation is. What we do know is they are helping kids go to college. People only seem to get ****ed at them when a kid doesn't go to their school. Nobody is yelling about Yearby's mentor but there are a million threads about Genron because valentine didn't go to Miami.

Not a lot of people taking crap about Ice this year with Thomas and Jackson going to Miami but last year people said he was the devil.

Again take that BS somewhere else. I can give a **** about Genron not pimping cupid to Miami that's not why I know dude ain't no mentor. When you have a kid who already has a known self management issues and your concern for him when it comes to college is a **** scheme *** out of here. Maybe Miami wasn't the best place for him but I know for **** sure LSU isn't either. If God forbid kid doesn't make it on the football field do you honestly think LSU is going be what's best for him off the field? Mentor understands no one is a lock to make the league so whenever one else is pushing big pay checks in 4 years that person is supposed to be the voice of reason. You don't have to smother a kids dream in order to open his horizon on the bigger picture. But hey a large public school, that has a crappie academic rep, a history of not really caring about kids who fail to produce on the field, and is hundreds of miles away from any real support system is definitely what's best for a kid who struggled in High school.

 

[Shawncane]

Why would you make up things? Drummond does not own a recruiting service. They both help out tons of kids. I don't.believe they steer kid to anywhere but to a BRIGHT FUTURE! They are not public enemy #1s. You ppl are full of it. I know **** well my kids are going to use them. Regardless of if they get pushed away from.Miami or not. BS, talk about the university and the football team.

it's obvious they are both very anti Miami for whatever reason.

Both run "recruiting services".....colleges pay them for "information". However, it is obvious that these payments serve as the equivalent of political contributions to gain favor with the players these guys are connected to.

Go read up on Willie Lyles if you don't understand what I'm talking about.

Larry Coker paid these guys for their services. I believe Shannon did as well. It is clear Golden does not.

It is yet to be seen how much influence they have in South Florida.

My question for Pete.....

Do you rely on either or both of these gentlemen for information? It seems like you do. You did an interview with Wilson on Gridironstuds recently. He also posts on this site. You also tweet with Drummond and obviously have a connection with him.

Last question. Do you believe they have the ability to damage Miami recruiting efforts? If so, why would you associate with them?

 

[Ispyin]

Why would you make up things? Drummond does not own a recruiting service. They both help out tons of kids. I don't.believe they steer kid to anywhere but to a BRIGHT FUTURE! They are not public enemy #1s. You ppl are full of it. I know **** well my kids are going to use them. Regardless of if they get pushed away from.Miami or not. BS, talk about the university and the football team.

it's obvious they are both very anti Miami for whatever reason.

Both run "recruiting services".....colleges pay them for "information". However, it is obvious that these payments serve as the equivalent of political contributions to gain favor with the players these guys are connected to.

Go read up on Willie Lyles if you don't understand what I'm talking about.

Larry Coker paid these guys for their services. I believe Shannon did as well. It is clear Golden does not.

It is yet to be seen how much influence they have in South Florida.

My question for Pete.....

Do you rely on either or both of these gentlemen for information? It seems like you do. You did an interview with Wilson on Gridironstuds recently. He also posts on this site. You also tweet with Drummond and obviously have a connection with him.

Last question. Do you believe they have the ability to damage Miami recruiting efforts? If so, why would you associate with them?

what a joke

 

[HurricaneU]

Why would you make up things? Drummond does not own a recruiting service. They both help out tons of kids. I don't.believe they steer kid to anywhere but to a BRIGHT FUTURE! They are not public enemy #1s. You ppl are full of it. I know **** well my kids are going to use them. Regardless of if they get pushed away from.Miami or not. BS, talk about the university and the football team.

it's obvious they are both very anti Miami for whatever reason.

Both run "recruiting services".....colleges pay them for "information". However, it is obvious that these payments serve as the equivalent of political contributions to gain favor with the players these guys are connected to.

Go read up on Willie Lyles if you don't understand what I'm talking about.

Larry Coker paid these guys for their services. I believe Shannon did as well. It is clear Golden does not.

It is yet to be seen how much influence they have in South Florida.

My question for Pete.....

Do you rely on either or both of these gentlemen for information? It seems like you do. You did an interview with Wilson on Gridironstuds recently. He also posts on this site. You also tweet with Drummond and obviously have a connection with him.

Last question. Do you believe they have the ability to damage Miami recruiting efforts? If so, why would you associate with them?

What would they use them for?

 

[Dan E. Dangerously]

Why would you make up things? Drummond does not own a recruiting service. They both help out tons of kids. I don't.believe they steer kid to anywhere but to a BRIGHT FUTURE! They are not public enemy #1s. You ppl are full of it. I know **** well my kids are going to use them. Regardless of if they get pushed away from.Miami or not. BS, talk about the university and the football team.

it's obvious they are both very anti Miami for whatever reason.

Both run "recruiting services".....colleges pay them for "information". However, it is obvious that these payments serve as the equivalent of political contributions to gain favor with the players these guys are connected to.

Go read up on Willie Lyles if you don't understand what I'm talking about.

Larry Coker paid these guys for their services. I believe Shannon did as well. It is clear Golden does not.

It is yet to be seen how much influence they have in South Florida.

My question for Pete.....

Do you rely on either or both of these gentlemen for information? It seems like you do. You did an interview with Wilson on Gridironstuds recently. He also posts on this site. You also tweet with Drummond and obviously have a connection with him.

Last question. Do you believe they have the ability to damage Miami recruiting efforts? If so, why would you associate with them?

What would they use them for?

"Mentoring", of course.