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Stats02 said:
Bosworth aint no joke. I understand the hate for him. I hated his guts too when I was younger. I think people are sleeping on him because of his short and unsuccessful NFL career. But, as a college player, he was the man.
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He was an outstanding CFB LBer...and before anyone brings up the steroid stuff....our own AA LBer Mira Jr was also taking them.
 
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Stats02 said:
Bosworth aint no joke. I understand the hate for him. I hated his guts too when I was younger. I think people are sleeping on him because of his short and unsuccessful NFL career. But, as a college player, he was the man.
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He's just not close to the GOAT college LB nevermind one of the best players regardless of position to ever play the game.

He wouldn't be in the discussion for the best LB in Miami history.
 
Stats02 said:
This is my list without my orange and green glasses on. No players on here that only had one phenomenal year, although there are a few that only played 2 years. I tried to look at players that were good pretty much immediately when they arrived on campus. If they were not dominant as a freshman, they were at least very good and All-American caliber by their next year.

Offense
QB - Peyton Manning, Tim Tebow (hate him, but he had an amazing college career), Steve McNair
RB - Archie Griffin, Herschel Walker, Ron Dayne
WR - Randy Moss, Michael Crabtree, Jerry Rice (people forget he had a ridiculous college career)
TE - Kellen Winslow II (not a position that gets a lot of attention at the college level, but he was the best and most dominate TE I have seen for
college football. Could do it all.
OL - Orlando Pace, Steve Hutchinson, Tony Mandarich, Dave Rimington, Jonathan Ogden
K - Kevin Butler (I'm only listing him, because every site has him at the best college kicker of all time).

Defense
DT - Reggie White, Ndamukong Suh, Warren Sapp
DE - Hugh Green, Dwight Freeny, Will Anderson (I know he's listed as OLB in some sources, but he played DE or EDGE rusher majority of snaps)
LB - Dan Morgan, Brian Bosworth, Patrick Willis, Luke Kuechly
CB - Rod Woodson, Deion Sanders
S - Ed Reed, Kenny Easley
P - Ray Guy? (Really don't know who else to list. Not a position I pay a lot of attention to during the season)
Return Specialist - Devin Hester
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I'll stay on message. Any all-time great college list that excludes Ted Hendricks is no list at all.
 
BoxingRobes said:
He's just not close to the GOAT college LB nevermind one of the best players regardless of position to ever play the game.

He wouldn't be in the discussion for the best LB in Miami history.
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He was a terrible person and terrible teammate, but he is one of the best college LB to ever play at that level. I'm not saying he's the GOAT, but he is in the conversation.

Who is your GOAT college LB?
 
Pentagon Cane said:
I'll stay on message. Any all-time great college list that excludes Ted Hendricks is no list at all.
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You make a strong case. Hendricks is vastly underrated and should be on this list. I think he might be overlooked, even by Miami fans, due to the era in which he played.

This list is pretty flawed at its origins. Way too many offensive players and not enough defensive players. Either way, it's fun to have a discussion and hear other opinions.
 
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BoxingRobes said:
He's just not close to the GOAT college LB nevermind one of the best players regardless of position to ever play the game.

He wouldn't be in the discussion for the best LB in Miami history.
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He would've started over Mira on the 86 team. And Mira was an AA himself.
 
Stats02 said:
He was a terrible person and terrible teammate, but he is one of the best college LB to ever play at that level. I'm not saying he's the GOAT, but he is in the conversation.

Who is your GOAT college LB?
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The Stork if we are using the modern definition of a linebacker that would include "EDGE" players. Butkus in the more traditional role if we are looking at the all-time list. These guys are just legendary...but the difference in eras make it not easily comparable. Modern players...probably Derrick Thomas as a pass rusher, Luke Kuechly as a traditional linebacker.

Modern era players...Dan Morgan, Luke Kuechly, Lavar Arrington, Patrick Willis...

From Bosworth's same era, Chris Spielman and Cornellius Bennett stand up as his legitimate peers and you wouldn't find them close to this list, IMO.
 
BoxingRobes said:
The Stork if we are using the modern definition of a linebacker that would include "EDGE" players. Butkus in the more traditional role if we are looking at the all-time list. These guys are just legendary...but the difference in eras make it not easily comparable. Modern players...probably Derrick Thomas as a pass rusher, Luke Kuechly as a traditional linebacker.

Modern era players...Dan Morgan, Luke Kuechly, Lavar Arrington, Patrick Willis...

From Bosworth's same era, Chris Spielman and Cornellius Bennett stand up as his legitimate peers and you wouldn't find them close to this list, IMO.
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I agree with that. Like you said, the difference in eras makes it not easily comparable. I imagine most of us never saw Hendricks or Butkus play in college, and we don't get to see any of their highlights. So, it's a little easier to discard them from our list since we don't have that connection of seeing them play, although they are deserving to be on the list. We just hear about how dominant they are.

Guys like Kuechly, Patrick Willis and Dan Morgan will always be overlooked by the people who put out these lists. Most knowledgeable fans would at least recognize these guys belong in the discussion with the best college LBers. I have all 3 of them, along with Bosworth, in my top LB group. Spielman and Bennett were animals, but I have Boz over them. I just feel like he was a level above them, could be due to media creating the BOZ. However, I have watched a lot of his film and he was pretty special.
 
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Stats02 said:
This is my list without my orange and green glasses on. No players on here that only had one phenomenal year, although there are a few that only played 2 years. I tried to look at players that were good pretty much immediately when they arrived on campus. If they were not dominant as a freshman, they were at least very good and All-American caliber by their next year.

Offense
QB - Peyton Manning, Tim Tebow (hate him, but he had an amazing college career), Steve McNair
RB - Archie Griffin, Herschel Walker, Ron Dayne
WR - Randy Moss, Michael Crabtree, Jerry Rice (people forget he had a ridiculous college career)
TE - Kellen Winslow II (not a position that gets a lot of attention at the college level, but he was the best and most dominate TE I have seen for
college football. Could do it all.
OL - Orlando Pace, Steve Hutchinson, Tony Mandarich, Dave Rimington, Jonathan Ogden
K - Kevin Butler (I'm only listing him, because every site has him at the best college kicker of all time).

Defense
DT - Reggie White, Ndamukong Suh, Warren Sapp
DE - Hugh Green, Dwight Freeny, Will Anderson (I know he's listed as OLB in some sources, but he played DE or EDGE rusher majority of snaps)
LB - Dan Morgan, Brian Bosworth, Patrick Willis, Luke Kuechly
CB - Rod Woodson, Deion Sanders
S - Ed Reed, Kenny Easley
P - Ray Guy? (Really don't know who else to list. Not a position I pay a lot of attention to during the season)

Return Specialist - Devin Hester
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Where is Sean Taylor? Did you forget him? He should unquestionably be in this list.
 
SWFLHurricane said:
I'll take Rusty Medearis and/or Danny Stubbs 7 days a week, & 5 times on Sunday. As far as McKinnie on a All time OL list, Nah....he only played 2yrs, with one insanely good yr. I can name 4-5 better OLmen out of Nebraska that were insanely good 3-4yrs. You can take any one of the 1983 Nebraska OL....and put any of them on an All Time list...and if you go back one yr to 1982, there was Dave Rimington. Even though we beat them...they still to this day are the most Decorated team in CFB History. They literally Won every award...and good chance they'd have Won the Biletnikoff (Fryar) if it were around then.
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Don't forget Nebraska's award for "Most Steroid Pimples on a Body". They swept that category in 1983, as a certain Mr. Fitzpatrick probably told you...
 
SonicYouth said:
Fine. Swap Marino for Larry Fitzgerald. The point remains the same.
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I'd put Calvin Johnson on the list ahead of Larry Fitzgerald. Sorry. And I watched both of them play Miami.

Calvin Johnson was just stunningly good. That one pass he caught against Miami, I think the QB was just trying to throw the ball away, and Calvin stuck out one hand and palmed the ball. Jaw-dropping.
 
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Stats02 said:
He was a terrible person and terrible teammate, but he is one of the best college LB to ever play at that level. I'm not saying he's the GOAT, but he is in the conversation.

Who is your GOAT college LB?
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**** Butkus and Ray Lewis.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I'd put Calvin Johnson on the list ahead of Larry Fitzgerald. Sorry. And I watched both of them play Miami.

Calvin Johnson was just stunningly good. That one pass he caught against Miami, I think the QB was just trying to throw the ball away, and Calvin stuck out one hand and palmed the ball. Jaw-dropping.
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Antrell had his way with both. And more than held his own against them in the NFL
 
Stats02 said:
I agree with that. Like you said, the difference in eras makes it not easily comparable. I imagine most of us never saw Hendricks or Butkus play in college, and we don't get to see any of their highlights. So, it's a little easier to discard them from our list since we don't have that connection of seeing them play, although they are deserving to be on the list. We just hear about how dominant they are.

Guys like Kuechly, Patrick Willis and Dan Morgan will always be overlooked by the people who put out these lists. Most knowledgeable fans would at least recognize these guys belong in the discussion with the best college LBers. I have all 3 of them, along with Bosworth, in my top LB group. Spielman and Bennett were animals, but I have Boz over them. I just feel like he was a level above them, could be due to media creating the BOZ. However, I have watched a lot of his film and he was pretty special.
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I am not even trashing Boz as a player...he was good...no disrespect...his "greatness" is just a byproduct of his excellent marketing. Cornelius Bennett even received more votes for All-American than Boz in '86. All three were 2x All-Americans in 85/86, definitely Boz's contemporaries in college and proved they were actually better linebackers as their careers at the position progressed.
 
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SWFLHurricane said:
He was an outstanding CFB LBer...and before anyone brings up the steroid stuff....our own AA LBer Mira Jr was also taking them.
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That's fine. George also isn't even in the top 5 for lb here for us. Bosworth in my eyes doesn't make our top 3 regardless of any shades. He got most of his accolades behind being the featured player on a defense that white america needed to see succeed. I don't want to bring race into it and I'm not when it relates to his success. He was absolutely a **** good player. I'm speaking on all the accolades if you put him on us for instance at the same exact time do you believe he's anywhere near as highly touted? Myself I don't. My top 3 for us is ray,dan & mike. I'd put Bosworth right after Mike followed by Jesse and Darrin.
 
Brooklyndee said:
That's fine. George also isn't even in the top 5 for lb here for us. Bosworth in my eyes doesn't make our top 3 regardless of any shades. He got most of his accolades behind being the featured player on a defense that white america needed to see succeed. I don't want to bring race into it and I'm not when it relates to his success. He was absolutely a **** good player. I'm speaking on all the accolades if you put him on us for instance at the same exact time do you believe he's anywhere near as highly touted? Myself I don't. My top 3 for us is ray,dan & mike. I'd put Bosworth right after Mike followed by Jesse and Darrin.
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These youngsters can't even comprehend what Ray did as a TRUE FRESHMAN on a lightly-talented team. Ray knew what he was doing, he dominated, he produced, he led. AS A FRESHMAN. And as the key target for opposing offenses to neutralize, they still couldn't shut Ray down.
 
Brooklyndee said:
That's fine. George also isn't even in the top 5 for lb here for us. Bosworth in my eyes doesn't make our top 3 regardless of any shades. He got most of his accolades behind being the featured player on a defense that white america needed to see succeed. I don't want to bring race into it and I'm not when it relates to his success. He was absolutely a **** good player. I'm speaking on all the accolades if you put him on us for instance at the same exact time do you believe he's anywhere near as highly touted? Myself I don't. My top 3 for us is ray,dan & mike. I'd put Bosworth right after Mike followed by Jesse and Darrin.
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Dee...I still feel he could've started over Mira
 
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