If you ever thought the hate wasn't real...

[Stats02]

This is my list without my orange and green glasses on. No players on here that only had one phenomenal year, although there are a few that only played 2 years. I tried to look at players that were good pretty much immediately when they arrived on campus. If they were not dominant as a freshman, they were at least very good and All-American caliber by their next year.

Offense
QB - Peyton Manning, Tim Tebow (hate him, but he had an amazing college career), Steve McNair
RB - Archie Griffin, Herschel Walker, Ron Dayne
WR - Randy Moss, Michael Crabtree, Jerry Rice (people forget he had a ridiculous college career)
TE - Kellen Winslow II (not a position that gets a lot of attention at the college level, but he was the best and most dominate TE I have seen for
college football. Could do it all.
OL - Orlando Pace, Steve Hutchinson, Tony Mandarich, Dave Rimington, Jonathan Ogden
K - Kevin Butler (I'm only listing him, because every site has him at the best college kicker of all time).

Defense
DT - Reggie White, Ndamukong Suh, Warren Sapp
DE - Hugh Green, Dwight Freeny, Will Anderson (I know he's listed as OLB in some sources, but he played DE or EDGE rusher majority of snaps)
LB - Dan Morgan, Brian Bosworth, Patrick Willis, Luke Kuechly
CB - Rod Woodson, Deion Sanders
S - Ed Reed, Kenny Easley
P - Ray Guy? (Really don't know who else to list. Not a position I pay a lot of attention to during the season)

Return Specialist - Devin Hester

 

[JgDaCane]

Because he regressed from his sophomore year to his junior year and his team ended up 9-4, losing to every ranked team it played outside of a bowl game with Duke. I struggle to see a QB being a Top20 all-time talent when he could barely beat a ranked team his junior year.

I also struggle to classify guys as a top20 all-time player when they were a 1-year wonder. Cam Newton was great in 1 year with 50 TDs......but it was one year. Guys didn't have the ability to gameplan for him the following year and he showed nothing before that. Burrow struggled mightily the year before his historic season. Manziel was awesome as a sophomore.....but then regressed. TVD was great for a year. Is his career identified by that year or last year?

I guess maybe I remember it differently. I remember people walking around with his jersey on all over the country. I can't say I ever remember that for another college player.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

He'd be close. Good you say??....2 time 1st team AA...finished 4th in the Heisman, and Won the Butkus 2 times in a row. That's alot better than good.

Also the FIRST winner of the Butkus Award. I remember when the Downtown Athletic Club of Orlando created the award, and I remember the Orlando Sentinel articles describing the award and naming Bosworth the winner. That actually happened in my senior year of high school, so I was INCREDIBLY PREPARED to hate Bosworth when we played OU in 1986 during my freshman year.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Is the list anti Pitt because it omitted Dorsett and Marino?

This is a pretty weak case for anti UM bias.

Besides, I'm not worried about some random list maker being anti UM. I'm worried about the admin being anti UM.

Look, those are BY FAR Pitt's two most famous football alums (though there have been a couple others who had awesome NFL careers), but I think the point is that with SO MANY Miami greats (far more than 2), the complete omission of any Miami alums is more obvious.

Dorsett I could say "yes", he actually led his team to a national championship. Marino was a HOF player in the NFL, but I'm not sure that I'd call him one of the 20 best college football players of all time.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I guess maybe I remember it differently. I remember people walking around with his jersey on all over the country. I can't say I ever remember that for another college player.

But "wearing his jersey" is a popularity thing, because, you know, he did those "money" things with his hands.

Dale Earnhardt Jr. was the most popular NASCAR driver nearly every year he raced, and he sold the most merch BY FAR, but it didn't help him to win more frequently.

 

[gabednconfused]

No reggie bush....

 

[ddann]

Case Keenum threw for 19,000+ yards under Sumlin at Houston

What exactly did Manziel do after he left Sumlin?

 

[407cane]

I love Miami but outside of manziel being included and reggie bush being omitted, I think the list is pretty valid honestly


of course it'll be debatable depending on who you ask, but I don't have any crazy objections to anyone but Johnny and bush

 

[Echtcane]

Vince Young
- 31-18 W/L
- 2x Pro Bowls
- Rookie of the Year
- 8,964yds 46TD’s & 51INT’s Passing
- 1,459yds & 12TD’s Rushing

Johnny Manziel
- 10-22 W/L
- 2,965yds 12TD’s & 14INT’s Passing
- 474yds & 1TD Rushing

Manziel was also hot garbage in the CFL.

The goalposts seem to be moving. This was about college careers, no? Manziel was a partyboy and money and notoriety went to his head, end of story. But it doesn't change a thing about how good he was at Texas A&M.

Like JM, I think Vince Young's college career should stand on its own. But I don't think Young's time in the NFL in any way bolsters the idea he was a really good quarterback. Tennessee did make the playoffs 2nd year, kinda like the Denver/Tebow thing that everyone likes to dismiss, but they lost that game 17-6 and he was awful - 53.5 rating. Kerry Collins actually led TN to their best season (2008) during that era (13-3). To Young's credit he did do well after Collins was benched for the 2nd part of 2009, but wound up losing again in the 1st round. The success was brief though. Another losing record to start 2010 then unraveled mid-season getting into altercations with coaches and being let go. Eagles picked him up but he was awful again. Teams kept giving him chances: Buffalo, Green Bay, Cleveland, but it was the same story. He just couldn't cut it, and that was pretty much it. Even in his first 2 seasons at TN his QBR was 66 and 71. Pro Bowl? He got the invite because Philip Rivers was injured, then got in again becuse Rivers was injured again AND Roethlisberger and Palmer declined because they were also injured.

 

[ddann]

Is the list anti Pitt because it omitted Dorsett and Marino?

This is a pretty weak case for anti UM bias.

Besides, I'm not worried about some random list maker being anti UM. I'm worried about the admin being anti UM.

Isn’t Hugh Green on the list? Maybe pick another school that doesn’t have a guy on the list to make your point.

 

[SWFLHurricane]

Is the list anti Pitt because it omitted Dorsett and Marino?

This is a pretty weak case for anti UM bias.

Besides, I'm not worried about some random list maker being anti UM. I'm worried about the admin being anti UM.

Marino??....He had an atrocious Sr yr after a stellar Jr yr....he has no business on a CFB all time list..

 

[SWFLHurricane]

This is my list without my orange and green glasses on. No players on here that only had one phenomenal year, although there are a few that only played 2 years. I tried to look at players that were good pretty much immediately when they arrived on campus. If they were not dominant as a freshman, they were at least very good and All-American caliber by their next year.

Offense
QB - Peyton Manning, Tim Tebow (hate him, but he had an amazing college career), Steve McNair
RB - Archie Griffin, Herschel Walker, Ron Dayne
WR - Randy Moss, Michael Crabtree, Jerry Rice (people forget he had a ridiculous college career)
TE - Kellen Winslow II (not a position that gets a lot of attention at the college level, but he was the best and most dominate TE I have seen for
college football. Could do it all.
OL - Orlando Pace, Steve Hutchinson, Tony Mandarich, Dave Rimington, Jonathan Ogden
K - Kevin Butler (I'm only listing him, because every site has him at the best college kicker of all time).

Defense
DT - Reggie White, Ndamukong Suh, Warren Sapp
DE - Hugh Green, Dwight Freeny, Will Anderson (I know he's listed as OLB in some sources, but he played DE or EDGE rusher majority of snaps)
LB - Dan Morgan, Brian Bosworth, Patrick Willis, Luke Kuechly
CB - Rod Woodson, Deion Sanders
S - Ed Reed, Kenny Easley
P - Ray Guy? (Really don't know who else to list. Not a position I pay a lot of attention to during the season)

Return Specialist - Devin Hester

Suh over Jerome??...**** Nah...Dwight Freeny over
Danny Stubbs
Bill Hawkins
Medearis
Eddie Edwards????....Not a chance in ****.

 

[canesdogo]

I think that's the biggest issue with the list though. It's clearly some water cooler nonsense with not much of an established criteria. There's all kinds of examples that say it's one dominant season is their criteria. Yet they exclude dudes who dominated in single seasons as well. So you turn around and say continued success but yet again then there's dudes on here who got no place... No ron dayne,no Eric ****erson,no troy davis,no Timmy chang, no chase Daniels, no flutie,no detmer,no klingler... I don't get how they compiled this list

Brooklyn
It might have been a bunch of SEC guys sitting around having a beer and throwing out their faves.
Not very well thought out, **** if you seriously look at these names they make no splash.....no talent evaluation. Just thrown up against a wall....B/S if you push it.
Underwhelming and bland....

 

[razrcane]

View attachment 236662Here's the proof...

Was there ever any doubt bruh?

 

[Stats02]

Suh over Jerome??...**** Nah...Dwight Freeny over
Danny Stubbs
Bill Hawkins
Medearis
Eddie Edwards????....Not a chance in ****.

Suh had one really good year (junior) and one absolutely insane year (senior). He really didn't make much of an impact until his junior year. He did have a bad injury as a freshman that set him back a good bit. Jerome was really good the minute he stepped on campus. I have no problem putting Jerome over Suh as Jerome was consistently dominant his entire college career.

I like all those former Canes you listed at DE, they were all great, but Freeny was better IMO. I know Mckinnie shut him down when they played against each other, but Freeny was still legit bad ***. Maybe I should put Mckinnie in the with the best of the OL.

 

[jsy]

Is this a list about character or skill?

Personally, I think Cam is a self-absorbed moron.But, I remember that year he had at Auburn. He beat a very talented Alabama team. I remember him almost out running Patrick Peterson for a TD.

The 'unofficial' story was Cam got 200k to go to Auburn, and he was worth every cent. If you told Auburn boosters they could have another Cam, today, for 200k, I don't think they'd hesitate..

He carried that team of jags
Him and fairly
It was impressive to watch him beat bama literally by himself
But it was one year
And it wasn’t any more impressive than Vince young
He should be ranked above cam

 

[jsy]

No Ed reed is biggest joke
then manziel over Michael vick
This more like a popularity contest

 

[SWFLHurricane]

Suh had one really good year (junior) and one absolutely insane year (senior). He really didn't make much of an impact until his junior year. He did have a bad injury as a freshman that set him back a good bit. Jerome was really good the minute he stepped on campus. I have no problem putting Jerome over Suh as Jerome was consistently dominant his entire college career.

I like all those former Canes you listed at DE, they were all great, but Freeny was better IMO. I know Mckinnie shut him down when they played against each other, but Freeny was still legit bad ***. Maybe I should put Mckinnie in the with the best of the OL.

I'll take Rusty Medearis and/or Danny Stubbs 7 days a week, & 5 times on Sunday. As far as McKinnie on a All time OL list, Nah....he only played 2yrs, with one insanely good yr. I can name 4-5 better OLmen out of Nebraska that were insanely good 3-4yrs. You can take any one of the 1983 Nebraska OL....and put any of them on an All Time list...and if you go back one yr to 1982, there was Dave Rimington. Even though we beat them...they still to this day are the most Decorated team in CFB History. They literally Won every award...and good chance they'd have Won the Biletnikoff (Fryar) if it were around then.

 

[Stats02]

I'll take Rusty Medearis and/or Danny Stubbs 7 days a week, & 5 times on Sunday. As far as McKinnie on a All time OL list, Nah....he only played 2yrs, with one insanely good yr. I can name 4-5 better OLmen out of Nebraska that were insanely good 3-4yrs. You can take any one of the 1983 Nebraska OL....and put any of them on an All Time list...and if you go back one yr to 1982, there was Dave Rimington. Even though we beat them...they still to this day are the most Decorated team in CFB History. They literally Won every award...and good chance they'd have Won the Biletnikoff (Fryar) if it were around then.

That's why I didn't list Mckinnie as one of the greatest OL of all time. Didn't think JUCO transfers belong on this list and there were several other o-lineman with better college careers. Although, one could make the case that his 2001 campaign was one of the best ever for an o-lineman.

 

[Memnon]

The goalposts seem to be moving. This was about college careers, no? Manziel was a partyboy and money and notoriety went to his head, end of story. But it doesn't change a thing about how good he was at Texas A&M.

Like JM, I think Vince Young's college career should stand on its own. But I don't think Young's time in the NFL in any way bolsters the idea he was a really good quarterback. Tennessee did make the playoffs 2nd year, kinda like the Denver/Tebow thing that everyone likes to dismiss, but they lost that game 17-6 and he was awful - 53.5 rating. Kerry Collins actually led TN to their best season (2008) during that era (13-3). To Young's credit he did do well after Collins was benched for the 2nd part of 2009, but wound up losing again in the 1st round. The success was brief though. Another losing record to start 2010 then unraveled mid-season getting into altercations with coaches and being let go. Eagles picked him up but he was awful again. Teams kept giving him chances: Buffalo, Green Bay, Cleveland, but it was the same story. He just couldn't cut it, and that was pretty much it. Even in his first 2 seasons at TN his QBR was 66 and 71. Pro Bowl? He got the invite because Philip Rivers was injured, then got in again becuse Rivers was injured again AND Roethlisberger and Palmer declined because they were also injured.

I never said VY was a really good QB, the point was that without Sumlin Manziel completely destructed & couldn’t play in any capacity in any league, while Vince actually had some level of success after College. So was Manziel really anything more than a byproduct of the system he played in?

Because that same system produced the All-time leader in College football passing yards, still to this very day.

Johnny Manizel had 2 good years of Football with Kevin Sumlin, without Sumlin, he had exactly 0.