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Stats02 said:
That's why I didn't list Mckinnie as one of the greatest OL of all time. Didn't think JUCO transfers belong on this list and there were several other o-lineman with better college careers. Although, one could make the case that his 2001 campaign was one of the best ever for an o-lineman.
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2001 was a Great yr for him. But those 1980-1984 Nebraska OLs were illegal. I can easily fill up a CFB Greatest OL ever list with just Nebraska OLmen from then. Rimington was a BEAST...every one of them were Road Graders. I'm close friends with Tony Fitzpatrick, who started at NT against that team....he said without question the best he played against. Our DL did okay in that game, despite being outweighed by an average of 45lbs per player (OL/DL) If it wasn't for our Great LBer game from Sisk and Brophy, we'd have been hurting. Even then, their OL started wearing us down in the 4th (see Jeff Smith)
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
But "wearing his jersey" is a popularity thing, because, you know, he did those "money" things with his hands.

Dale Earnhardt Jr. was the most popular NASCAR driver nearly every year he raced, and he sold the most merch BY FAR, but it didn't help him to win more frequently.
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That's a fair point on Dale Jr.
 
Memnon said:
I never said VY was a really good QB, the point was that without Sumlin Manziel completely destructed & couldn’t play in any capacity in any league, while Vince actually had some level of success after College. So was Manziel really anything more than a byproduct of the system he played in?
Because that same system produced the All-time leader in College football passing yards, still to this very day.
Johnny Manizel had 2 good years of Football with Kevin Sumlin, without Sumlin, he had exactly 0.
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If that were the factor in Manziel's success, it looks like Sumlin would have had more success afterward, especially since he pulled in a #5 and #11 class just following JM. After Manziel put up over 4800 total yds his last year, Sumlin never had a QB go over 3100 at A&M even though he had Kyler Murray as a freshman. If it was the system, it stopped being amazing after the amazing QB left.

Keenum was an incredible college quarterback. People look at Jimbo Fisher and compare his records with and without Winston, so lets look at Sumlin:

52-16 with Manziel/Keenum

43-47 without Manziel/Keenum
 
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Stats02 said:
This is my list without my orange and green glasses on. No players on here that only had one phenomenal year, although there are a few that only played 2 years. I tried to look at players that were good pretty much immediately when they arrived on campus. If they were not dominant as a freshman, they were at least very good and All-American caliber by their next year.

Offense
QB - Peyton Manning, Tim Tebow (hate him, but he had an amazing college career), Steve McNair
RB - Archie Griffin, Herschel Walker, Ron Dayne
WR - Randy Moss, Michael Crabtree, Jerry Rice (people forget he had a ridiculous college career)
TE - Kellen Winslow II (not a position that gets a lot of attention at the college level, but he was the best and most dominate TE I have seen for
college football. Could do it all.
OL - Orlando Pace, Steve Hutchinson, Tony Mandarich, Dave Rimington, Jonathan Ogden
K - Kevin Butler (I'm only listing him, because every site has him at the best college kicker of all time).

Defense
DT - Reggie White, Ndamukong Suh, Warren Sapp
DE - Hugh Green, Dwight Freeny, Will Anderson (I know he's listed as OLB in some sources, but he played DE or EDGE rusher majority of snaps)
LB - Dan Morgan, Brian Bosworth, Patrick Willis, Luke Kuechly
CB - Rod Woodson, Deion Sanders
S - Ed Reed, Kenny Easley
P - Ray Guy? (Really don't know who else to list. Not a position I pay a lot of attention to during the season)

Return Specialist - Devin Hester
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Finally someone gave Tony Mandarich props. Old school like me. Youngsters need to google his ***. Props for Boz also. Great list!
 
Any list of all-time college defensive players without Hugh Green is wrong. Green was a beast the moment he stepped on the field as a true freshman. In his first game, against Notre Dame, he blocked a punt, recorded 11 tackles, and two sacks

He was a three-time consensus first-team All-American in 1978, 1979, and 1980, and a second-team All-America selection as a freshman in 1977. 460 tackles and 53 sacks in 4 seasons, 48 games. Finished 2nd in the Heisman voting, FWIW. Was a DE in college, OLB in the NFL.
 
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Hufftwoseven said:
Joe Burrow’s year was outstanding but that’s all it was, 1 single year.
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This to me isn’t a reason to exclude someone from a top list. Forbes doesn’t rank their billionaires based on who has been a billionaire the longest.
 
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LouHoss said:
gotta bet money these lists are drawn up by some chick intern with a few google searches and her boyfriends favorite players
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I still remember a sportscenter segment from 2014 when cari champion picked her top five Philly athletes ever and had Mo’ne Davis on the list. The other guy was apoplectic that she chose Mo’ne Davis over mike Schmidt 😂
 
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This list got me. They had one goal...trigger me...and it worked. Words are violence now and I feel attacked.

There are truly some jokes on that list.

Scumbag Johnny Manziel? lmfao
Brian Bosworth? lmfao
 
ddann said:
Isn’t Hugh Green on the list? Maybe pick another school that doesn’t have a guy on the list to make your point.
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TheOriginalCane said:
Look, those are BY FAR Pitt's two most famous football alums (though there have been a couple others who had awesome NFL careers), but I think the point is that with SO MANY Miami greats (far more than 2), the complete omission of any Miami alums is more obvious.

Dorsett I could say "yes", he actually led his team to a national championship. Marino was a HOF player in the NFL, but I'm not sure that I'd call him one of the 20 best college football players of all time.
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Fine. Swap Marino for Larry Fitzgerald. The point remains the same.
 
Southbeach44 said:
Finally someone gave Tony Mandarich props. Old school like me. Youngsters need to google his ***. Props for Boz also. Great list!
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Thanks. I think most of us would universally agree that a handful of players should be on this list. Guys like Archie Griffin, Herschel Walker, Ed Reed, Orlando Pace, Tim Tebow. The rest of the list is pretty subjective. There are so many choices and options. Are any of us giving they players from the 40's, 50's, and 60's their props? Maybe guys like **** Butkus deserve to be on this list, at least for linebackers. I had to research and discovered he played both center and linebacker. Put up some crazy numbers, while doing that in fewer games than players from the modern era.

Yeah, Mandarich might be a reach to be on this list. Had a couple good years. Can't deny his dominance his senior year. He was so good, he was touted by some as the best offensive lineman prospect ever. SI then put him on the cover and the hype was unreal. Obviously, we know he was a bust in the NFL. He was the Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell of that time. If social media was around then like it is now, he would have been absolutely annihilated.

Like him or not, the Boz was a wrecking machine. Just my opinion, but he was the most gifted linebacker to play at the college level. His sideline to sideline speed, north to south speed, mechanics, instincts, IQ, tackling, hitting, etc.. Maybe he was put in a position to make plays, but My God, he was devastating.
 
BoxingRobes said:
This list got me. They had one goal...trigger me...and it worked. Words are violence now and I feel attacked.

There are truly some jokes on that list.

Scumbag Johnny Manziel? lmfao
Brian Bosworth? lmfao
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Bosworth aint no joke. I understand the hate for him. I hated his guts too when I was younger. I think people are sleeping on him because of his short and unsuccessful NFL career. But, as a college player, he was the man.
 
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