"I Need Ya' Supervisor!!!"

ScubaCane

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That was just a sh!tty situation for all involved. Both sides showed restraint until the situation was escalated and ultimately, it doesn't look good for either party.

It was a simple roadside stop. Those should never get to the point it just did and its a breakdown by all involved, including the current culture (police culture, too) we are in.

Malik McDowell being told he was going to be shot by a white police officer, who at any time, could have justified shooting him with lethal intent...yeah, I am not sure many of you in the same situation wouldn't have tried to fight for your life. I'll agree in part with @Tetragrammaton Cane that one of the main issues is that an officer is the "boss" or has the mentality of one in that situation. How difficult was it to simply have a conversation with the man. It starts as a very confrontational situation and an officer expects people to remain cool and compliant with the constant worry or an officer escalating the situation. If you're Malik McDowell...a 6-foot-6 black man...why wouldn't you walk in the store? You know the store has cameras. Many other cops wouldn't have had their body cam or dash cam on - conveniently - in a situation like that.

idk guys...just a sh!tty situation for both guys that likely could have been handled by both, in a different manner.

Roadside stops...should be as simple as...here is your citation, if you have an issue, see you in court. No signature needed. Hand it to the guy and be gone. Would wager that curbs a lot of roadside police issues.
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That wasn't a simple traffic stop, he was drunk off his ass, he was going to jail and you don't let a driver in a traffic stop just walk off.
 

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Earlier I sent a police officer friend of mine (he worked in one of the worst cities in America u til 2 years ago) that video and asked his view. Here’s what he wrote:

The driver obviously knows his rights. The police should have requested a supervisor to the location. When he denied him the right to speak with a supervisor, he deprived the driver rights based on the 4 Amendment. Spinning out is not a crime as there is no victim. All could have been avoided had the police complied with allowing a supervisor to be present.”

Now, that’s his words. I’m not sure if he heard where the officer said “I’m the supervisor”. I’m just relaying his words.
Your friend's an idiot, that is not a 4th amendment issue
 

Tetragrammaton Cane

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Your friend's an idiot, that is not a 4th amendment issue
Actually, he’s more right than you, and the posters who agree with you, are. Which would supplant him, at least, as the biggest idiot.
 

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And, McDowell, also showed “restraint”; he could’ve hurt him, but he didn’t. Even saying at one point, “I’m not going to let you shoot me again”.

The officer showed a lot of unprofessionalism with that “restraint”. He had back up on the way, and he wasn’t a threat in the store. He should’ve just arrested him when he came out the store. That said, if McDowell stays in the car, it never goes there.


That’s part of the problem.
Wrong that officer was obviously threatened...and surveillance video, unfortunately isn't always going to be in favor of the big guy who stood up after being tazed and went after a police officer.

So yeah the little guy showed as much restraint as possible especially after the guy resisted arrest.
 

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Earlier I sent a police officer friend of mine (he worked in one of the worst cities in America u til 2 years ago) that video and asked his view. Here’s what he wrote:

The driver obviously knows his rights. The police should have requested a supervisor to the location. When he denied him the right to speak with a supervisor, he deprived the driver rights based on the 4 Amendment. Spinning out is not a crime as there is no victim. All could have been avoided had the police complied with allowing a supervisor to be present.”

Now, that’s his words. I’m not sure if he heard where the officer said “I’m the supervisor”. I’m just relaying his words.
Your friend is badly misinformed, Sir. Have a good day!
 
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moshated305

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I've watched enough Live PD to know that the midget cop should have called for backup long before the chick cop showed up.
Not excusing McDowell acting like an idiot but he probably should have called for backup the moment McDowell refused to give his license and registration and started asking for a supervisor.
 

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Wrong that officer was obviously threatened...and surveillance video, unfortunately isn't always going to be in favor of the big guy who stood up after being tazed and went after a police officer.

So yeah the little guy showed as much restraint as possible especially after the guy resisted arrest.
What is threatening about a big drunk guy who was speeding then lumbered into a gas station?
 

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And, McDowell, also showed “restraint”; he could’ve hurt him, but he didn’t. Even saying at one point, “I’m not going to let you shoot me again”.

The officer showed a lot of unprofessionalism with that “restraint”. He had back up on the way, and he wasn’t a threat in the store. He should’ve just arrested him when he came out the store. That said, if McDowell stays in the car, it never goes there.


That’s part of the problem.
Know what? This is one instance where the cop is completely in the right. And that's not a thing I say very often. There are too many stories about cops shooting people they have no earthly reason to fear. This on the other hand is a case of trying to control the situation with a minimum of violence. So let's give the cop his due for not saying "fck it, he's big and black, I'll just kill him and say I was scared." He took the correct, harder, path and everybody's still alive.
 

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What is threatening about a big drunk guy who was speeding then lumbered into a gas station?
So what was the correct action? Wait for backup? That would have been smart, but it was still going to end in a wrestling match at some point.

I seriously want to know how you think this should have gone down.
 

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So what was the correct action? Wait for backup? That would have been smart, but it was still going to end in a wrestling match at some point.

I seriously want to know how you think this should have gone down.
I never mentioned anything about how the cop handled this. I am simply wondering what this guy saw that was "threatening".

I am not calling this guy a "bad cop" or any of the other buzz words people like to throw around to push an agenda. I was just wondering how a full grown man could somehow find that situation "threatening".

If I thought I would have an issue taking a drunk man to the ground I would have called for backup and just waited until there were 4 or 5 of us and then took him down which would ensure he has no chance of getting the upper hand which would require me to shoot him.

And before people come in with "he was 300 pounds" I understand this. However, this is why tons of cops go to wrestling/BJJ clubs. I know numerous cops that would have man handled this drunk guy without much of an issue and they are similar size to this cop.
 

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This dude should be the new I am groot, I need ya supervisor is all he can say lol. Thats probably a defensive play I need ya supervisor cover 0
 

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I never mentioned anything about how the cop handled this. I am simply wondering what this guy saw that was "threatening".

I am not calling this guy a "bad cop" or any of the other buzz words people like to throw around to push an agenda. I was just wondering how a full grown man could somehow find that situation "threatening".

If I thought I would have an issue taking a drunk man to the ground I would have called for backup and just waited until there were 4 or 5 of us and then took him down which would ensure he has no chance of getting the upper hand which would require me to shoot him.

And before people come in with "he was 300 pounds" I understand this. However, this is why tons of cops go to wrestling/BJJ clubs. I know numerous cops that would have man handled this drunk guy without much of an issue and they are similar size to this cop.
I don't think he saw anything "threatening", I think he saw non-compliance. I'll be honest, I don't know the exact rules for when an officer can use a taser. I don't know exactly what he's allowed to do to get the guy to comply with a pretty reasonable request. I do know that the request wasn't unconstitutional, so the cop had the right to make it, and the driver needed to comply. The driver was wrong first, so in my eyes he started it. The fact the cop didn't shoot him shouldn't be applauded, but it should be noted. Lots of black people have been shot for doing less.

I'm just saying I don't see what else he should have done. You're point about waiting for backup to decrease the chances of having to pull a gun is a good one. I'm just not seeing that he acted all that improperly. He could have done a little better for both of their safety, but I don't see anything "wrong" with what he did. One way or another, dude was getting forced into cuffs
 

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OriginalGatorHater

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I don't think he saw anything "threatening", I think he saw non-compliance. I'll be honest, I don't know the exact rules for when an officer can use a taser. I don't know exactly what he's allowed to do to get the guy to comply with a pretty reasonable request. I do know that the request wasn't unconstitutional, so the cop had the right to make it, and the driver needed to comply. The driver was wrong first, so in my eyes he started it. The fact the cop didn't shoot him shouldn't be applauded, but it should be noted. Lots of black people have been shot for doing less.

I'm just saying I don't see what else he should have done. You're point about waiting for backup to decrease the chances of having to pull a gun is a good one. I'm just not seeing that he acted all that improperly. He could have done a little better for both of their safety, but I don't see anything "wrong" with what he did. One way or another, dude was getting forced into cuffs
I don't think so either. That is why I asked the other poster why he though it was threatening.

He was probably within his rights to taze the guy. I am talking about this from a moral stand point. He probably legally could have shot him too because as you said they have shot people for much less and got away with it.

That said. I personally would want to handle this without either of us getting killed. I would have waited for backup so I would ensure there would be 0 need for me to pull out my gun and shoot him. Had this football player been slightly less drunk and ended up on top of the guy he would have been shot no question, even though he clearly wasn't trying to kill the cop.
 

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The little officer initiatied all the aggression.
It's weird how the term law enforcement has the word force in it, but people get so bent out of shape when they use it. They are not law suggestion officers. Bottom line is, people need to obey the law and listen when a law enforcement officer is talking to them. If you are innocent, don't act guilty. Don't act like the laws don't apply to you. It's freaking common sense.

I get it, there are some bad cops out there. If I had my way they would be the first buried under the prison. This guy isn't one of them, though.
 
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