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Hyper Reaction Needs to Stop

section9 said:
Mario will say no. We need to do a due diligence search, and then hire the ******* Pirate.
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I think something that people really haven’t factored in with Mario is that while what he’s done at Oregon has been very good it’s a mistake to assume he’d do the same thing here.

It’s much easier to win at Oregon than it is at Miami, especially now given the fact that the Pac-12 is legitimately the worst P5 conference & schools like USC & Washington are down & programs like ASU & Utah are overachieving but don’t have anywhere near the same level of financial commitment as Oregon does.

With USC being down, Oregon doesn’t have any competition in West Coast recruiting on the trail, that’s not the case when it comes to Miami who has to go to War with the entire SEC, ACC & some teams from the Big XII & B1G. Obviously, Mario is a very good recruiter, but Oregon also spends $1.2mill a year on their recruiting budget, Miami doesn’t even crack $500K.

Not to mention, from a personnel standpoint we don’t have the kind of roster he wants, he would have to rebuild the entire thing which will take quite some time. I just don’t arbitrarily think he’d come here & start rolling off 10+ win seasons overnight like every assumes, maybe he would after a while, but I don’t think what he wants to do is something that is easily translatable to this roster that will result in quick immediate success.

Although, because he’s so beloved by this fan base yall might be more patient than yall normally are, which would make for an entertaining board lol

But I just think the best decision is to go with a coach who can take the pieces we have at QB, WR, RB, TE etc & turn that into immediate success, which will translate into stringing together good recruiting classes. Basically the quicker we win, the better we’ll recruit & the faster we’ll be Byke as a program.

If the plan is to become a Power run team that will be 8-4 for 3 years, while trying to simultaneously land top 10 classes during that time, I’m not so sure it’s gonna work out that way, JMO though.
 
jsy said:
Why would we hire a first time ad in zo
And not a proven ad?
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Fair point. Zo would be a first time AD. However, he would not be a first time exec. And candidly, I see the AD job at Miami as not dissimilar from the HC job these days: one where proven candidates have other "better" options.

So for me, Zo represents a best of all worlds given our current reality: 1) High level executive experience, 2) passion for the program, 3) a professional coaching and recruiting network, and 4) SWAG.

If you've got someone better in mind to fill the AD role that would actually take the job, I'm all ears.
 
Liberty City El said:
I think something that people really haven’t factored in with Mario is that while what he’s done at Oregon has been very good it’s a mistake to assume he’d do the same thing here.

It’s much easier to win at Oregon than it is at Miami, especially now given the fact that the Pac-12 is legitimately the worst P5 conference & schools like USC & Washington are down & programs like ASU & Utah are overachieving but don’t have anywhere near the same level of financial commitment as Oregon does.

With USC being down, Oregon doesn’t have any competition in West Coast recruiting on the trail, that’s not the case when it comes to Miami who has to go to War with the entire SEC, ACC & some teams from the Big XII & B1G. Obviously, Mario is a very good recruiter, but Oregon also spends $1.2mill a year on their recruiting budget, Miami doesn’t even crack $500K.

Not to mention, from a personnel standpoint we don’t have the kind of roster he wants, he would have to rebuild the entire thing which will take quite some time. I just don’t arbitrarily think he’d come here & start rolling off 10+ win seasons overnight like every assumes, maybe he would after a while, but I don’t think what he wants to do is something that is easily translatable to this roster that will result in quick immediate success.

Although, because he’s so beloved by this fan base yall might be more patient than yall normally are, which would make for an entertaining board lol

But I just think the best decision is to go with a coach who can take the pieces we have at QB, WR, RB, TE etc & turn that into immediate success, which will translate into stringing together good recruiting classes. Basically the quicker we win, the better we’ll recruit & the faster we’ll be Byke as a program.

If the plan is to become a Power run team that will be 8-4 for 3 years, while trying to simultaneously land top 10 classes during that time, I’m not so sure it’s gonna work out that way, JMO though.
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Think the whole assumption with Mario coming here is Mario, that it takes the next step with budget for not only assistants but with recruiting. Also the ACC is just as terrible as the pac 12, acc is god awful, and there is talent here and in south Florida to be able to win it. I’m open to other coaches coming in here but there are a lot worse options that previous admins have brought in than Mario.
 
Disgustipated said:
Everything that has transpired this year isn't a surprise to me at all. Miami won close games last year other than the one blowout of FSU. Every game was gonna be a dog fight and it has been this year. Miami has a mediocre coaching staff outside of 2-3 coaches. I would consider Justice, Simpson and Likens as quality teaching assistant coaches. Lashlee is decent coordinator but he is on a legendary **** steak of horrible first half performances in 7 out of 10 games against the power 5. its soley on him. Only TVD saved him in the other 3
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Yes, the defense wasn’t much better last year.
 
My2Sense said:
Fair point. Zo would be a first time AD. However, he would not be a first time exec. And candidly, I see the AD job at Miami as not dissimilar from the HC job these days: one where proven candidates have other "better" options.

So for me, Zo represents a best of all worlds given our current reality: 1) High level executive experience, 2) passion for the program, 3) a professional coaching and recruiting network, and 4) SWAG.

If you've got someone better in mind to fill the AD role that would actually take the job, I'm all ears.
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If Zo comes it would be a Director of Football Operations position. No way he's AD.
 
My concern is Mario turns them down so they end up giving somebody ****** a huge budget. That's how we average 8.5 wins for the next 10 years instead of the 7 its been over the last 10.

There's going to be total chaos if Mario says no. Because it sounds like he's the only guy most of the bot can agree on. After him I'm worried politics wins out.
 
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Liberty City El said:
I think something that people really haven’t factored in with Mario is that while what he’s done at Oregon has been very good it’s a mistake to assume he’d do the same thing here.

It’s much easier to win at Oregon than it is at Miami, especially now given the fact that the Pac-12 is legitimately the worst P5 conference & schools like USC & Washington are down & programs like ASU & Utah are overachieving but don’t have anywhere near the same level of financial commitment as Oregon does.

With USC being down, Oregon doesn’t have any competition in West Coast recruiting on the trail, that’s not the case when it comes to Miami who has to go to War with the entire SEC, ACC & some teams from the Big XII & B1G. Obviously, Mario is a very good recruiter, but Oregon also spends $1.2mill a year on their recruiting budget, Miami doesn’t even crack $500K.

Not to mention, from a personnel standpoint we don’t have the kind of roster he wants, he would have to rebuild the entire thing which will take quite some time. I just don’t arbitrarily think he’d come here & start rolling off 10+ win seasons overnight like every assumes, maybe he would after a while, but I don’t think what he wants to do is something that is easily translatable to this roster that will result in quick immediate success.

Although, because he’s so beloved by this fan base yall might be more patient than yall normally are, which would make for an entertaining board lol

But I just think the best decision is to go with a coach who can take the pieces we have at QB, WR, RB, TE etc & turn that into immediate success, which will translate into stringing together good recruiting classes. Basically the quicker we win, the better we’ll recruit & the faster we’ll be Byke as a program.

If the plan is to become a Power run team that will be 8-4 for 3 years, while trying to simultaneously land top 10 classes during that time, I’m not so sure it’s gonna work out that way, JMO though.
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Who do you like in that mold?
 
SCarolina Ibis said:
My concern is Mario turns them down so they end up giving somebody ****** a huge budget. That's how we average 8.5 wins for the next 10 years instead of the 7 its been over the last 10.

There's going to be total chaos if Mario says no. Because it sounds like he's the only guy most of the bot can agree on. After him I'm worried politics wins out.
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If the money is serious Mario is coming.
 
Rellyrell said:
-So instead of “laser” focusing on one coach, per usual (see Shannon, Richt, and now Diaz) we need to do a complete evaluation.
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Mayyyyybe Richt, but I don't recall us being myopic with the Shannon & Diaz hires . Quite the opposite really, I was very surprised when we hired those 2, I didn't even know that they were candidates...that should've been a clue. We don't need anymore surprise hires, IMHO.
 
kryptonite said:
To the Lane/Pirate/Mario people, here’s my question. Why do we always think a guy who wasn’t awesome somewhere will come here and obviously be awesome? Like fine, those guys have done better at other schools than most of our coaches for 20 years. What’s the thinking behind the beliefs that Miami with less of everything than the schools these guys would come from will somehow get this guy over the hump?
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It's because there's no other choice but to take that risk. Urban Meyer, Nick Saban and Dabo are not options (i.e. guys who have been "awesome somewhere").

Edit: there's another category of guys I forgot to leave out. Those guys that have gone undefeated or almost undefeated at relatively smaller schools (e.g., Chris Peterson when he was at Boise, Urban when he was at Utah, Frost at UCF, Fickell at Cincy this year, Brian Kelly at ND). A lot of those guys have been relatively awesome at smaller schools, but have hit walls at the bigger programs. For whatever reason Miami doesn't seem to be on those guy's radar, and vice versa. Miami isn't the big fish it once was.

With that said, Mario, Lane, and Leach have done well at relatively smaller programs, and Miami and them are on each other's radars. There are connections there. I think that's why they seem like relatively plausible options.
 
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CaneSince4Ever said:
Mayyyyybe Richt, but I don't recall us being myopic with the Shannon & Diaz hires . Quite the opposite really, I was very surprised when we hired those 2, I didn't even know that they were candidates...that should've been a clue. We don't need anymore surprise hires, IMHO.
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I’m referring to the program, not us as fans. Lol.
 
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I would hope if Mario does end up new HC, the recruiting budget is substantially increased. One of his key positives is recruiting, so why would he undercut himself by agreeing to an insufficient budget? A Bama-UGA type budget, no, but certainly not half what F$U spends.
 
Rellyrell said:
Listen, Manny has to go, THAT’S A FACT. What we witnessed on Saturday is absolutely inexcusable, but not surprising. The fact that it’s not surprising is the reason he HAS to go.

I stated in my “Allow Me to Pontificate” thread about the problem of “hope”; it’s a helluva drug. Emotional fans allowed the smoke & mirrors 3 game winning streak to sway them into thinking that we turned a corner, while the rational ones were appreciative, but not convinced.

What the FSU game showed us is we’re still the same team:
-We’re still the same team who was the 1st P5 program to lose to FIU.
-Still the same team that allowed 4th & 17 to a rookie QB.
-Still the same team that lost to a 3-9 GT team.
-Still the same team that allowed NCAA, ACC, & Miami record setting #’s against UNC.
-Still the same team that lost to two G5 programs in a season, and the same team that started the season 2-4, needing two dropped passes & an unforced safety to escape App St, to not start the season 1-5.

So why the hyper reaction? This is who we are under Diaz. What we can’t have is a hyper reaction b/c a hyper reaction is why we have this Semenhole as our coach now.

No, I want Miami to do the non-Miami thing & strategically take our time to make the right move. But that HAS to start now; why? B/c LSU, USC, Washington, TCU all have vacancies w/ deep pockets & there’s rumblings UCLA may be opening, too. So we don’t have time to wait, but we can’t be hyper reactive, either.

What we need, 1st, is for The AD to be completely cleansed. Blake James HAS to go. His failings r much deeper than football, and the article that highlighted how someone outside of the program had to bring to his attention the terms of our endorsement contract shows he’s a clueless tool. Strawley & anyone under his admin has to be shown the door. Immediately. U don’t pacify an AD who pays a $4m buyout for this product.

We also have to NOT put all our eggs in the Mario basket. Would I be mad at the hire? Helllllllllllllll No. I would not be mad at the hire at all, however between the buyout, what he has cooking at Oregon, he may not be a viable option. So instead of “laser” focusing on one coach, per usual (see Shannon, Richt, and now Diaz) we need to do a complete evaluation. It would behoof us to do our due diligence, if not…..


Well, it’ll b another rinse & repeat situation.
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Good post but we didn’t focus on Shannon. Shannon was like option 19 after we got turned down. Richt was a good hire at the time but got sick. Diaz sucks.
 
htownkidd said:
We are going to end up with Jeff Lebby or some sh*t lol.

But spot on per usual. I've calmed down on him not being fired yet, somewhat. Mainly because it doesn't really matter from our candidate's perspective anyway. I can wait 2 weeks, aint like I have a choice lol.
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This. I’ve said it’ll take care of itself. We’ll be in 50 50 gsmes all year. He’s not gonna get lucky like we just saw. Fire him today it won’t make a diff when we hire the next guy. No one esp Mario is gonna agree to terms publicly while Oregon is still in the playoff hunt
 
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