How far can Golden and the present staff take us?

[terra99pin]

Guys, our defense was horrible. We lost our top two playmakers midseason. The scouts are now saying that our QB was a complete bonehead who may not even get drafted..

That being the case, how the **** did we win 9 games if our OC mismanaged things so badly? That just doesn't compute. I have no idea whether the defense will ever improve, but I stand by my statement that there are reasons to be optimistic about the offense.

Because we played a horrible ****ing schedule.

You realize the fat guy who you are blindly defending is something like 1-12 in games against teams which finished with greater than 7 wins during his time here correct?

There's no response to that stat....when we play a team with a pulse, we lose. Period.

I'm not blindly defending. I've said repeatedly that our defense sucks. It seems to me you are blindly attacking. I'm presenting a balanced view. I don't see why it's unreasonable to believe that an OC can improve after his first year ever calling plays. A first year OC who, by the way, was taught by Jimbo, the guy that you all seem to love so much. Are you just ****ed at Coley that he spurned your beloved Noles?

 

[bobbydigius]

What is there to be optimistic about concerning the offense?

If I, an idiot accountant that doesn't do this for a living, can sit on my couch and notice that 90% of the time Malcom Lewis is in the game we are running the ball...then what the **** do you think good defensive coordinators who do this for a living notice?

I'd argue Coley is as big a problem as the idiots currently constructing our defense....the problem is Coley is a good recruiter so we kinda have to eat it. Nevertheless, it's not a ideal situation.

The offense is predictable as **** and has tendencies all over the place. Run on first down, run on second down, sprinkle in a play action with a deep post or 9 route. That's our offense.

No slants, no drags, no seam routes, no intermediate digs...and for the love of all sanity...I think we ran 2 or 3 screen passes to Duke all season before he got hurt.

It's a disgrace...it's a mismanagement of talent....and it's an offense that simply doesn't give itself a chance to sustain drives by working the middle of the field. It's garbage in it's purest form.

And don't give me the Stephen Morris excuse...those routes I mentioned above were not PRESENT in the route combination on most plays. And if the staff really felt that MOrris was incapable of using the middle of the field and any of these aforementioned routes...then they are idiots for not going with Williams or trying something else.

Not gonna quote our homeboy from ESPN...but at the end of the day you do play to win these ****ing games, or at least give yourself the best opportunity to do so.

Both our coordinators are garbage. We're playing checkers while our opponents are playing chess.

There is still a lot to be seen about how good Coley really is but he was a victim of unreal expectations. People overrated our talent on offense severely. Remember the Morris is gonna be a 1st rounder talk, or how our WR corp was top 5 in the nation? Fans had unrealistic expectations because Morris had monster games against horrible offenses in 2012. We expected him and the offense to take the next step and it didnt really happen. We still scored plenty but we werent this offensive juggernaut some thought we were. Now dont get me wrong, play calling wasnt great by any means, but the talent some thought we had, just wasnt there.....

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Guys, our defense was horrible. We lost our top two playmakers midseason. The scouts are now saying that our QB was a complete bonehead who may not even get drafted..

That being the case, how the **** did we win 9 games if our OC mismanaged things so badly? That just doesn't compute. I have no idea whether the defense will ever improve, but I stand by my statement that there are reasons to be optimistic about the offense.

Because we played a horrible ****ing schedule.

You realize the fat guy who you are blindly defending is something like 1-12 in games against teams which finished with greater than 7 wins during his time here correct?

There's no response to that stat....when we play a team with a pulse, we lose. Period.

Schedule wasn't any different than years past. ACC schedule will always be around the same.
What makes it look worse is UF tanking due a slew of injuries after we beat them losing their QB, the back QB, there top DT, Top OL, Top LB, Top RB, and in all over 14 key players.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

Guys, our defense was horrible. We lost our top two playmakers midseason. The scouts are now saying that our QB was a complete bonehead who may not even get drafted..

That being the case, how the **** did we win 9 games if our OC mismanaged things so badly? That just doesn't compute. I have no idea whether the defense will ever improve, but I stand by my statement that there are reasons to be optimistic about the offense.

Because we played a horrible ****ing schedule.

You realize the fat guy who you are blindly defending is something like 1-12 in games against teams which finished with greater than 7 wins during his time here correct?

There's no response to that stat....when we play a team with a pulse, we lose. Period.

I'm not blindly defending. I've said repeatedly that our defense sucks. It seems to me you are blindly attacking. I'm presenting a balanced view. I don't see why it's unreasonable to believe that an OC can improve after his first year ever calling plays. A first year OC who, by the way, was taught by Jimbo, the guy that you all seem to love so much. Are you just ****ed at Coley that he spurned your beloved Noles?

Balance point of view is Don Bailey Jr speak, you're defending the current staff which has horribly underperformed.

Do me a favor and help me out with something I've been struggling with....go into your S&P, FEI, CIA, or FBI data files and find the statistical explanation for me as to how the fat guy came to the conclusion our defense is trending up. I'd love to see the math and presentation of the underlying facts.

To say it's just the defense is burying your head in the ground. The offense didn't do a **** thing against a team with a pulse. Sometimes the best defense is a good offense but we couldn't even muster up enough yards and possession to keep that horribly schemed defense off the field. The problem permeates throughout the entire team...defense is just the most apparent to the naked eye.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

That is what these guys do. Bizarre argument backed by even stranger statistics. You should check out the thread on the WEZ where CaneAlmighty used some obscure statistics showing the DL's total tackles to prove that our DL is an attacking DL.

You'll thank me later for the laughs you will get reading this absurdity: http://westendzone.com/showthread.php?t=73017

Hey don't blame me for you lack of reading comprehension.
The post was mainly to point out that other schools we're competing against for DT recruits can't really use the argument that in our schemes DT's are taught to just engage their blocker and not tackle.
Stats are pretty evident that they aren't. I know it sucks for you that you can't dispute it.

 

[mirvin88]

They've already taken us as far as they can go

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

Guys, our defense was horrible. We lost our top two playmakers midseason. The scouts are now saying that our QB was a complete bonehead who may not even get drafted..

That being the case, how the **** did we win 9 games if our OC mismanaged things so badly? That just doesn't compute. I have no idea whether the defense will ever improve, but I stand by my statement that there are reasons to be optimistic about the offense.

Because we played a horrible ****ing schedule.

You realize the fat guy who you are blindly defending is something like 1-12 in games against teams which finished with greater than 7 wins during his time here correct?

There's no response to that stat....when we play a team with a pulse, we lose. Period.

Schedule wasn't any different than years past. ACC schedule will always be around the same.
What makes it look worse is UF tanking due a slew of injuries after we beat them losing their QB, the back QB, there top DT, Top OL, Top LB, Top RB, and in all over 14 key players.

Really dude? You've gotten to this point? On top of the never ending excuses now you're using excuses for other teams and citing specific games?

That UF team was going to lose 4-5 games regardless of the injuries, they had absolutely no offense. But just to be nice...I'm going to give you that one (even though I think it's off base and you're incorrect that is somehow helps your case).

So that makes 2-11 versus teams with over 7 wins.

Go ahead and give me excuses for the other 11 losses. Tell me how Jupiter aligned with Venus, the rings of Saturn dipped below their average temperate, or whatever the **** else pathetic excuse you're going to bust out da woodwerks.

 

[terra99pin]

Balance point of view is Don Bailey Jr speak, you're defending the current staff which has horribly underperformed.

Do me a favor and help me out with something I've been struggling with....go into your S&P, FEI, CIA, or FBI data files and find the statistical explanation for me as to how the fat guy came to the conclusion our defense is trending up. I'd love to see the math and presentation of the underlying facts.

To say it's just the defense is burying your head in the ground. The offense didn't do a **** thing against a team with a pulse. Sometimes the best defense is a good offense but we couldn't even muster up enough yards and possession to keep that horribly schemed defense off the field. The problem permeates throughout the entire team...defense is just the most apparent to the naked eye.

Ok, keep asking me to defend the defense when I haven't once said anything good about it. I'm done wasting my time responding to your straw man arguments. Let's just see how the offense performs this year. We can pick up the discussion then.

Of course, I'll still be judging his performance on these weird things called "statistics", not "whether or not Coley ran as many drag routes as JediMasterCane wanted".

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Do me a favor and help me out with something I've been struggling with....go into your S&P, FEI, CIA, or FBI data files and find the statistical explanation for me as to how the fat guy came to the conclusion our defense is trending up. I'd love to see the math and presentation of the underlying facts.

Yards play went from 6.11 to 5.75
Points went from 30 to 26
Ints went from 11 to 18
sacks went from 13 to 29
Tackles for loss went from 53 to 61
Qb hurries from 19 to 26

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

Balance point of view is Don Bailey Jr speak, you're defending the current staff which has horribly underperformed.

Do me a favor and help me out with something I've been struggling with....go into your S&P, FEI, CIA, or FBI data files and find the statistical explanation for me as to how the fat guy came to the conclusion our defense is trending up. I'd love to see the math and presentation of the underlying facts.

To say it's just the defense is burying your head in the ground. The offense didn't do a **** thing against a team with a pulse. Sometimes the best defense is a good offense but we couldn't even muster up enough yards and possession to keep that horribly schemed defense off the field. The problem permeates throughout the entire team...defense is just the most apparent to the naked eye.

Ok, keep asking me to defend the defense when I haven't once said anything good about it. I'm done wasting my time responding to your straw man arguments. Let's just see how the offense performs this year. We can pick up the discussion then.

Of course, I'll still be judging his performance on these weird things called "statistics", not "whether or not Coley ran as many drag routes as JediMasterCane wanted".

Yes...cause statistics tell the whole story and never lie, and furthermore are never taken out of context.

Signed,

Al Golden

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

Do me a favor and help me out with something I've been struggling with....go into your S&P, FEI, CIA, or FBI data files and find the statistical explanation for me as to how the fat guy came to the conclusion our defense is trending up. I'd love to see the math and presentation of the underlying facts.

Yards play went from 6.11 to 5.75
Points went from 30 to 26
Ints went from 11 to 18
sacks went from 13 to 29
Tackles for loss went from 53 to 61
Qb hurries from 19 to 26

Honestly dude you're just trolling at this point. I refuse to believe anyone is this retarded. Either that or you're on the payroll or are related to someone on the staff.

Gives those stats some relative meaning. How many of them came against the better teams on the schedule. How many of them came in garbage time .

That's the problem with you Don Bailey Jr disciples spiting out stats....you're blindly defending with numbers that are out of context.

Let's flashback about 7 or 8 years ago...

"Larry Coker has an 80% winning percentage and a national championship"

Thank God stats are all in a vacuum and hold their meaning no matter what.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

Do me a favor and help me out with something I've been struggling with....go into your S&P, FEI, CIA, or FBI data files and find the statistical explanation for me as to how the fat guy came to the conclusion our defense is trending up. I'd love to see the math and presentation of the underlying facts.

Yards play went from 6.11 to 5.75
Points went from 30 to 26
Ints went from 11 to 18
sacks went from 13 to 29
Tackles for loss went from 53 to 61
Qb hurries from 19 to 26

Honestly dude you're just trolling at this point. I refuse to believe anyone is this retarded. Either that or you're on the payroll or are related to someone on the staff.

Gives those stats some relative meaning. How many of them came against the better teams on the schedule. How many of them came in garbage time .

That's the problem with you Don Bailey Jr disciples spiting out stats....you're blindly defending with numbers that are out of context.

Let's flashback about 7 or 8 years ago...

"Larry Coker has an 80% winning percentage and a national championship"

Thank God stats are all in a vacuum and hold their meaning no matter what.

Guarantee you that CA said that exact line back then

 

[Miami82]

Guys, our defense was horrible. We lost our top two playmakers midseason. The scouts are now saying that our QB was a complete bonehead who may not even get drafted..

That being the case, how the **** did we win 9 games if our OC mismanaged things so badly? That just doesn't compute. I have no idea whether the defense will ever improve, but I stand by my statement that there are reasons to be optimistic about the offense.

Because we played a horrible ****ing schedule.

You realize the fat guy who you are blindly defending is something like 1-12 in games against teams which finished with greater than 7 wins during his time here correct?

There's no response to that stat....when we play a team with a pulse, we lose. Period.

Golden has a better record vs. Above .500 teams during his 1st 3 years at Miami then Saban during his 1st 3 years and Michigan State and Butch during his 1st 3 years at Miami.
Stats are a bich aren't they?

How is this porster not in the red... that's just criminal.

 

[Miami82]

Do me a favor and help me out with something I've been struggling with....go into your S&P, FEI, CIA, or FBI data files and find the statistical explanation for me as to how the fat guy came to the conclusion our defense is trending up. I'd love to see the math and presentation of the underlying facts.

Yards play went from 6.11 to 5.75
Points went from 30 to 26
Ints went from 11 to 18
sacks went from 13 to 29
Tackles for loss went from 53 to 61
Qb hurries from 19 to 26

Honestly dude you're just trolling at this point. I refuse to believe anyone is this retarded. Either that or you're on the payroll or are related to someone on the staff.

Gives those stats some relative meaning. How many of them came against the better teams on the schedule. How many of them came in garbage time .

That's the problem with you Don Bailey Jr disciples spiting out stats....you're blindly defending with numbers that are out of context.

Let's flashback about 7 or 8 years ago...

"Larry Coker has an 80% winning percentage and a national championship"

Thank God stats are all in a vacuum and hold their meaning no matter what.

He is...

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

Do me a favor and help me out with something I've been struggling with....go into your S&P, FEI, CIA, or FBI data files and find the statistical explanation for me as to how the fat guy came to the conclusion our defense is trending up. I'd love to see the math and presentation of the underlying facts.

Yards play went from 6.11 to 5.75
Points went from 30 to 26
Ints went from 11 to 18
sacks went from 13 to 29
Tackles for loss went from 53 to 61
Qb hurries from 19 to 26

Honestly dude you're just trolling at this point. I refuse to believe anyone is this retarded. Either that or you're on the payroll or are related to someone on the staff.

Gives those stats some relative meaning. How many of them came against the better teams on the schedule. How many of them came in garbage time .

That's the problem with you Don Bailey Jr disciples spiting out stats....you're blindly defending with numbers that are out of context.

Let's flashback about 7 or 8 years ago...

"Larry Coker has an 80% winning percentage and a national championship"

Thank God stats are all in a vacuum and hold their meaning no matter what.

He is...

Those of yous doubting the defense will be pleasantly surprised.
Top 30 defense easily. May break a defensive turnaround record.

.

 

[Miami82]

Do me a favor and help me out with something I've been struggling with....go into your S&P, FEI, CIA, or FBI data files and find the statistical explanation for me as to how the fat guy came to the conclusion our defense is trending up. I'd love to see the math and presentation of the underlying facts.

Yards play went from 6.11 to 5.75
Points went from 30 to 26
Ints went from 11 to 18
sacks went from 13 to 29
Tackles for loss went from 53 to 61
Qb hurries from 19 to 26

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Guys, our defense was horrible. We lost our top two playmakers midseason. The scouts are now saying that our QB was a complete bonehead who may not even get drafted..

That being the case, how the **** did we win 9 games if our OC mismanaged things so badly? That just doesn't compute. I have no idea whether the defense will ever improve, but I stand by my statement that there are reasons to be optimistic about the offense.

Because we played a horrible ****ing schedule.

You realize the fat guy who you are blindly defending is something like 1-12 in games against teams which finished with greater than 7 wins during his time here correct?

There's no response to that stat....when we play a team with a pulse, we lose. Period.

Golden has a better record vs. Above .500 teams during his 1st 3 years at Miami then Saban during his 1st 3 years and Michigan State and Butch during his 1st 3 years at Miami.
Stats are a bich aren't they?

How is this porster not in the red... that's just criminal.

But it's also the truth.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Do me a favor and help me out with something I've been struggling with....go into your S&P, FEI, CIA, or FBI data files and find the statistical explanation for me as to how the fat guy came to the conclusion our defense is trending up. I'd love to see the math and presentation of the underlying facts.

Yards play went from 6.11 to 5.75
Points went from 30 to 26
Ints went from 11 to 18
sacks went from 13 to 29
Tackles for loss went from 53 to 61
Qb hurries from 19 to 26

Honestly dude you're just trolling at this point. I refuse to believe anyone is this retarded. Either that or you're on the payroll or are related to someone on the staff.

Gives those stats some relative meaning. How many of them came against the better teams on the schedule. How many of them came in garbage time .

That's the problem with you Don Bailey Jr disciples spiting out stats....you're blindly defending with numbers that are out of context.

Let's flashback about 7 or 8 years ago...

"Larry Coker has an 80% winning percentage and a national championship"

Thank God stats are all in a vacuum and hold their meaning no matter what.

How is it trolling. You asked for stats that show improvement and when I do you disqualify them by bringing up the schedule BS as if it was any different. If anyone is trolling it's you.

 

[LEmeyers]

This is what kills me about the diehard Golden supporters and Golden himself. Basically what you are saying here is that in order for us to win, we have to out talent everyone.

Why would we think that when we didn't out talent UF, UNC in our wins this year and in our win against VT last year?
You're the one coming up with these made up statements to fit your argument.

All I know is we won 9 games with players like Green, Gaines, Highsmith, Rodgers, Cornelius, in our 2 deep who I don't ever see having similar type low level talent ever sniffing our 2 deep going forward based on the talent that Golden has brought in the last few seasons.

Lots of problems with this post. Miami returned more players with starting experince than pretty much every team on its schedule. That, plus goldens supposed recruiting prowess should eliminate all player related issues. If it's not then that means there are more issues.

1. Golden isn't the great recruiter people claim he is
2. He's great at developing said talent
3. His coaching is so bad it renders talent useless


When you return so many players with starting experince at Miami.. You should beat 1-11, 4-8 and 2-10 teams. That's to be expected. Just so happen the schedule set up for the first 7 games Golden faced some pretty pathetic teams. Even then he had his struggles.

I see more problems with your post, apparently all that experience cant even get one of these def players to a combine or probably not even arena league.. Miami is coming off its worst talent run in its modern era..worse than Butch where the 1st round streak stayed alive throughout his whole tenure

Since when were freshman and sophomores eligible for the draft? Wasn't youth the main excuse last year? Now of a suddenly Miami needs a roster full of nfl guys to beat **** poor teams like bc, Virginia and the like.

 

[BigDikCane]

6 to 7 win team...