Hardest CFB jobs (from The Athletic)

[JZCane0825]

Maybe those talking points are talking points for a reason?

Seems like you’re wanting to shoot the messenger rather than blame the ones who really deserve the blame - the admin.

Not building a stadium when Schnelly wanted one, and then allowing the OB to be torn down is 100% on the admin. Now we play on a teal rent-a-field in Miami Gardens, and we’re supposed to be cool with that?

And academic support is 100% relevant because it affects how much time the kids have to hit the jugs machines or get in the film room. The best programs make classwork a breeze so the athletes can focus on their craft.

1. Where would you have built said stadium?

2. The OB was dilapidated and that was all on the City of Miami for not investing money to modernize

3. You've clearly never been to Hard Rock before if you're calling it what you're calling it

 

[JZCane0825]

that's not elite. that's good. im fine with good but I know we won't be elite (bama).

misread your post. sorry. yes.

We were a Pitt loss away from very likely being in the playoff 4 years ago (even if we had kept things close with Clemson) with a literal potato for a QB. The right coach gets us in the conversation every year

 

[F-MarioCristobal]

With competence we can be like OU. A bunch of 10-11 win seasons , go to the playoff every 2-3 years and who knows? Get a special qb and win a title. Will we be like we were? No, but a top ten program is there to be had if we actually cared. We’ve been recruiting in the 10-12 range under manny , imagine if we were actually good?

There's been a clear cut #1 and #2 about every year in the CFP (not necessarily always seeded 1 & 2). 3 & 4 are always a shot in the dark and up for grabs and usually come from Big10 or Big12 where they walked their way through the season. Clemson was no doubt the 2nd best team in the country last year but OSU had Fields and just out played them in that semi final game.

Can't be that hard to get on a ND level where they're walking into the playoff. Washington did it, Oregon did it, Michigan State did it. Sure none of them have pulled it off yet but tides are turning and the dominance is dissipating a bit. Like you said.. comes down to elite QB play to put you over the top.

 

[Cajuncane]

Take a look at UiF a couple years ago when they were winning FOUR games.You could have shot a gun in the swamp and not hit anyone.

FSwho is going through the same thing and not drawing flies.

ANY school that isn't winning isn't filling up their stadiums no matter who the are...Not in these times with so much to do and pretty much any game you want on TV or streaming free somewhere.

The facilities have been upgraded considerably in the last few years and there is more things being built.If Miami would hire a Coach worth a fck so they'd win they'd be able to raise money very easily and build whatever they want.Our facilities are waaaaaay better than FSwho right now but you never hear about how poor their facilities are.

All this is the same old rhetoric from people that are to lazy to do their research or have some type of agenda.....CFB better pray we don't hire a competent coach who can get the top players to stay home like days of old.It will be O-Vah....

 

[hoops156]

With competence we can be like OU. A bunch of 10-11 win seasons , go to the playoff every 2-3 years and who knows? Get a special qb and win a title. Will we be like we were? No, but a top ten program is there to be had if we actually cared. We’ve been recruiting in the 10-12 range under manny , imagine if we were actually good and have a ****?

I don't think well be OU bc I don't think wed luck into a coach like Riley. the best name were coming up with as a fanbase is Mario and he isn't Riley as it relates to a QB whisperer. I do think we could win 10 games a year with this division. get a Garcia and make a run at the playoffs.

 

[bestever1991]

Lol. Well I think by not investing in football, Miami is ****ing away a new generation of fans. Those of us who remember Miami as it was are getting older, and I doubt many kids are hyped up about Miami.

Imagine if you grew up during the Al Golden era. Probably wouldn’t be a fan today

I sometimes think about how young fans are missing out on iconic moments. Just one in particular is walking out of the 1992 Orange Bowl with my dad on the bridge and everyone is honking their horns. We had just won the NC. Moments like that young fans are missing out on. It really has been a generation of fans. They have no idea what it was like and they should.

 

[hoops156]

Take a look at UiF a couple years ago when they were winning FOUR games.You could have shot a gun in the swamp and not hit anyone.

FSwho ain't going through the same thing and not drawing flies.

ANY school that isn't winning isn't filling up their stadiums no matter who the are...Not in these times with so much to do and pretty much any game you want on TV or streaming free somewhere.

The facilities have been upgraded considerably in the last few years and there is more things being built.If Miami would hire a Coach worth a fck so they'd win they'd be able to raise money very easily and build whatever they want.Our facilities are waaaaaay better than FSwho right now but you never hear about how poor their facilities are.

All this is the same old rhetoric from people that are to lazy to do their research or have some type of agenda.....CFB better pray we don't hire a competent coach who can get the top players to stay home like days of old.It will be O-Vah....

while we all agree that the facility thing is stupid, this is the national perception. it doesn't matter what we say if the guys who have an audience are perceiving the program to be this way.

 

[hoops156]

I sometimes think about how young fans are missing out on iconic moments. Just one in particular is walking out of the 1992 Orange Bowl with my dad on the bridge and everyone is honking their horns. We had just won the NC. Moments like that young fans are missing out. It really has been a generation of fans.

they're heat fans. young fans grew up with the heat (remember the canes are a pro team in this market). the 06 title set up a new wave of fans that became adults who became STHers during the LBJ years and beyond.

the young fans in 08 are gator fans and in 13 are FSU fans. unless the parent is a canes fan, they're not riding with a crappy team.

 

[Cajuncane]

There's been a clear cut #1 and #2 about every year in the CFP (not necessarily always seeded 1 & 2). 3 & 4 are always a shot in the dark and up for grabs and usually come from Big10 or Big12 where they walked their way through the season. Clemson was no doubt the 2nd best team in the country last year but OSU had Fields and just out played them in that semi final game.

Can't be that hard to get on a ND level where they're walking into the playoff. Washington did it, Oregon did it, Michigan State did it. Sure none of them have pulled it off yet but tides are turning and the dominance is dissipating a bit. Like you said.. comes down to elite QB play to put you over the top.

Top kids still want to play for the "U"..kids like Garcia,Williams,LT,Arroyo etc Top kids locally and from all over still want to wear that "U"...NO ONE wants to play for a losing program...NO ONE

 

[Cribby]

I don't think well be OU bc I don't think wed luck into a coach like Riley. the best name were coming up with as a fanbase is Mario and he isn't Riley as it relates to a QB whisperer. I do think we could win 10 games a year with this division. get a Garcia and make a run at the playoffs.

OU isn’t located in south Florida. We can easily be them or more. Mario would keep more kids home than we’ve had in a very long time. We’d also have a physicality and toughness In the trenches , once again something we haven’t had in a very long time. Having an identity is one area we’ve lacked since the early 2000’s. We’ll also have a good staff and s/c under him. Plus they’ll be joining the Sec.

Mario like Butch isn’t a great game-day coach but he’d eat the worst division in power five for lunch.

If we’re recruiting in the 10-12 range under a average recruiting HC just imagine the prodigal son returning? Unlike manny coaches down there love and respect him.

 

[RightSaidFred]

There's a reason people keep saying the stadium isn't an issue. It's because they know the area and have been to games. An on campus stadium or one even slightly closer to campus would actually draw fewer fans. Do you really think all those Golden Canes are going to write big checks to go and sit in bleachers after they've had luxury suites?

Show me an on campus stadium with stadium seats, plenty of room for tailgating and dining options like this.

Concessions - Hard Rock Stadium

Hard Rock Stadium is a global entertainment destination that encompasses some of the best food in the region, diversity, an elevated fan experience and the best that Miami has to offer.

www.hardrockstadium.com

Hard Rock isn’t a bad stadium. I’m a Dolphins fan and I love it as an NFL stadium. It’s just a bad stadium for a college football team with a small enrollment. And it doesn’t belong to us, it belongs to the Dolphins…and that does matter.

If having luxury suites is a priority, then build a stadium with luxury suites.

As for location, nobody will care if it’s an on-campus stadium, as long as it’s ours. I lived in Chicago for a while, and I’m partial to city locations like Wrigley and Soldier Field, where you can walk to restaurants and bars from the stadium and it’s a whole atmosphere. Suburban stadiums are just worse…in my view. I think a Brickell location, like the Beckham team was trying to do, would be dope as **** in Miami.

 

[F-MarioCristobal]

Top kids still want to play for the "U"..kids like Garcia,Williams,LT,Arroyo etc Top kids locally and from all over still want to wear that "U"...NO ONE wants to play for a losing program...NO ONE

Can't argue that. The thing is you get your 2nd year recruiting bump as a new HC (almost always happens) and then you have to capitalize and win or show promise in year 3 or you won't make it. Manny sunk himself by losing in year 3 coming off the 2021 class. You can't recover especially in his case where recruiting is almost non-existent right now.

The portal makes it so difficult to not win by year 3 if you know what you're doing.

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

Miami football is close to top 25 percent CFB attendance last 5 years

In a study about attendance during the last five years throughout FBS, the Miami football team nearly finished in the top 25 percent.

caneswarning.com

In 2018 we were #22 in the country in home attendance.

22. Miami (FL) 6 368,814 61,469
23. Arkansas 7 419,186 59,884
24. Virginia Tech 7 417,019 59,574
25. West Virginia 6 348,947 58,158
26. Mississippi St. 7 406,401 58,057
27. NC State 7 397,982 56,855
28. Texas Tech 6 336,203 56,034
29. Iowa St. 7 392,072 56,010
30. Ole Miss 7 389,794 55,685

Better than multiple SEC schools. Looking forward to the articles about the lack of fan support in the SEC.

 

[RightSaidFred]

I sometimes think about how young fans are missing out on iconic moments. Just one in particular is walking out of the 1992 Orange Bowl with my dad on the bridge and everyone is honking their horns. We had just won the NC. Moments like that young fans are missing out on. It really has been a generation of fans. They have no idea what it was like and they should.

For sure, bro. If the BOT thinks fans are apathetic now, and if they’re crying about donations now…keep pinching pennies for another decade and see what happens.

Those of us who grew up watching the Canes dominate will start to age out of the fanbase, and we’re not being backfilled by a new generation.

One more decade of this, and donations will be half what they are now, and they’ll be lucky to get 10k butts in the seats, even for big games.

If you grew up only knowing the Canes from Al Golden and Manny Diaz…yeah you ain’t showing up.

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

We were a Pitt loss away from very likely being in the playoff 4 years ago (even if we had kept things close with Clemson) with a literal potato for a QB. The right coach gets us in the conversation every year

That sir, is an inconvenient truth. And it was closer to an 8 win team quality wise than an 11 win team. Yet despite the lack of overall talent and a well below average QB, we were #2 going into the final regular season game and knocking on the door to the playoffs. This is yet another year that if we'd had even a minimally competent HC, we would have run away with the ACC coastal and had a decent chance of knocking off a subpar Clemson (which may not even make it to the acc championship game). That won't stop the dummies from repeating the same drivel over and over again.

 

[streetja]

Speaking of spending money, can anyone tell me what a program like Michigan spends on its staff, analysts, and other supplemental stuff for coaching and do we come close to that? And I say Michigan because I know we'll never come close to what an SEC team spends.

 

[RightSaidFred]

1. Where would you have built said stadium?

2. The OB was dilapidated and that was all on the City of Miami for not investing money to modernize

3. You've clearly never been to Hard Rock before if you're calling it what you're calling it

1.). Not my problem. I’m a fan, not a construction worker. Just get it done, I don’t care how.

2.) Typical UM response, to blame someone else. Always willing to spend other people’s money, and never their own. Wasn’t Donna Shalala some kind of political whiz? She couldn’t use that to negotiate a deal? Again, it’s not my problem. The stadium crumbled on her watch. We ended up on a rent-a-field on her watch. That’s her failure, point blank.

3.) I have been to Hard Rock. It’s a nice stadium in a **** location that works for the Dolphins but not for a small private school like us.

 

[AUcane]

that's not elite. that's good. im fine with good but I know we won't be elite (bama).

misread your post. sorry. yes.

Is clemson elite? UGA? Just trying to ascertain what your bar for elite is. You think bama will be the same elite they are now once Saban leaves?

 

[canesdude]

OU isn’t located in south Florida. We can easily be them or more. Mario would keep more kids home than we’ve had in a very long time. We’d also have a physicality and toughness In the trenches , once again something we haven’t had in a very long time. Having an identity is one area we’ve lacked since the early 2000’s. We’ll also have a good staff and s/c under him. Plus they’ll be joining the Sec.

Mario like Butch isn’t a great game-day coach but he’d eat the worst division in power five for lunch.

If we’re recruiting in the 10-12 range under a average recruiting HC just imagine the prodigal son returning? Unlike manny coaches down there love and respect him.

I truly do hope it is Mario, he would give us the best chance to reach that level of play. I am not saying there are not other good coaches out there, but Mario knows South Florida better than any of them.

 

[F-MarioCristobal]

Speaking of spending money, can anyone tell me what a program like Michigan spends on its staff, analysts, and other supplemental stuff for coaching and do we know what we spend? And I say Michigan because I know we'll never come close to what an SEC team spends.

I've heard our total staff budget is $10 million from HC all the way down to the support staff. Had Manny hired a DC they would have approved another $1 million give or take to make that hire. He opted not to.

Alabama's assistants and support staff budget is north of $10 million plus whatever Saban makes these days.

But if you take manny out of the equation and hire a DC - that is an $8 million budget for assistants and support staff. Only $2 million shy of Alabama who pays significantly more than anyone else. We're in that stratosphere nationally. The gap is what we pay our HC - around $3 million.