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Golden ruined a stud career

Andrew said:
Tracy and Burns were both over rated coming out of high school. I don't thin Tracy can lock down a big time college receiver so he might need to pay attention to the zone stuff they are trying to teach him.
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I respectfully disagree on both counts.

These kids are having their careers destroyed by **** poor corches.
 
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Yup the coaches ruined a lot of players careers - only I can't figure out how so many players with ruined careers got drafted.
 
Port Knox said:
gfer1988 said:
bAMACANE said:
Still waiting on a DB to press and jump an out route and take it to the house! Smh
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funny enough tracy did this vs UVA. as much as people on down on him he's the only cb that's even remotely resembled a good cover corner his soph year. tackling is overrated for the position. that's like being the dline man with the best coverage skills.
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First play of the game. Also remember Gunter housing one against GT the play after McCord destroyed Justin Thomas.




/ that's about it
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That was a screen pass that Howard house'd, not an out route.
 
Is that highlight film supposed to mean something? Other than the last play against STA the whole thing is pedestrian.
 
Cane Dynasty said:
Tracy Howard is too slow? What a bunch of pucking morans around here!

Richard Sherman runs like a 4.56. He seems to be doing OK as a "slow" DB.

There are porsters here that act like they've never watched a real football game.
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Richard Sherman is 6'3" and plays in a Cover-3 scheme. Howard is 5'10"-5'11".

If Sherman had to play in a more versatile scheme his lack of foot speed would occasionally get exposed.
 
How does a scheme ruin a CB's career?

We play man, we play Cover-4, we play Cover-3 and we play Cover-2. We play it all. Sometimes we press, sometimes we play off.

What other scheme do you guys think Howard would shine in?

I think some of you guys overrate our CB talent. Burns is an athlete, not a polished Corner. Howard has always been slightly overrated and he's a pedestrian athlete for a Corner. His niche is that he's savvy.
 
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Coach Macho said:
How does a scheme ruin a CB's career?

We play man, we play Cover-4, we play Cover-3 and we play Cover-2. We play it all. Sometimes we press, sometimes we play off.

What other scheme do you guys think Howard would shine in?

I think some of you guys overrate our CB talent. Burns is an athlete, not a polished Corner. Howard has always been slightly overrated and he's a pedestrian athlete for a Corner. His niche is that he's savvy.
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I haven't said anything about scheme. Your boy Dorito has consistently brought the worst out in his players (Gorlden too). That's pretty much the bottom line.

Good coaches bring out the best in their players. **** poor bush league guys like the ones we have do the opposite then blame everything on cliques and wind and night games.
 
Actually played FS for the south florida express. Better use of his Savvyness and instincts.

He get's overrated on the man press comments alone. If all he can do is play press at 5'11 185lbs, and he's not fast twitch...then what is so special about this kid? You think he'll really go out there and jam up some stud first round wr LMAO? Small corners that can be effectively play press in the league are also fast twitch (Antoine Winfield, Janoris Jenkins, etc..) Also, if all he can do is play press then he's NOT that special of a corner. He's a good player, but the same **** was said about brandon harris who's actually a better athlete than howard, and he would get abused by any legit wr (Notre Dame game SMH). Tracy has better ball skills than Brandon, though. I think he's a good college player who could look better with a different philosophy, but not at the level that y'all put him at. Go back to that hs tape and show me the elite wr's that he locks down. Remember, he played for arguably the most talented team in SFL and the country.
 
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Cane Dynasty said:
Coach Macho said:
How does a scheme ruin a CB's career?

We play man, we play Cover-4, we play Cover-3 and we play Cover-2. We play it all. Sometimes we press, sometimes we play off.

What other scheme do you guys think Howard would shine in?

I think some of you guys overrate our CB talent. Burns is an athlete, not a polished Corner. Howard has always been slightly overrated and he's a pedestrian athlete for a Corner. His niche is that he's savvy.
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I haven't said anything about scheme. Your boy Dorito has consistently brought the worst out in his players (Gorlden too). That's pretty much the bottom line.

Good coaches bring out the best in their players. **** poor bush league guys like the ones we have do the opposite then blame everything on cliques and wind and night games.
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Well I don't disagree about our coaches bringing out the worst.

I'm just asking the "scheme" guys what defense Howard would actually excel in.
 
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Coach Macho said:
How does a scheme ruin a CB's career?

We play man, we play Cover-4, we play Cover-3 and we play Cover-2. We play it all. Sometimes we press, sometimes we play off.

What other scheme do you guys think Howard would shine in?

I think some of you guys overrate our CB talent. Burns is an athlete, not a polished Corner. Howard has always been slightly overrated and he's a pedestrian athlete for a Corner. His niche is that he's savvy.
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they could be referring to our lack of pass rush because of our sh*tty 2 gap predictable a** system we run. how can anyone expect our dbs to do much of anything when a qb has all day to throw it
 
Coach Macho said:
Port Knox said:
gfer1988 said:
bAMACANE said:
Still waiting on a DB to press and jump an out route and take it to the house! Smh
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funny enough tracy did this vs UVA. as much as people on down on him he's the only cb that's even remotely resembled a good cover corner his soph year. tackling is overrated for the position. that's like being the dline man with the best coverage skills.
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First play of the game. Also remember Gunter housing one against GT the play after McCord destroyed Justin Thomas.




/ that's about it
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That was a screen pass that Howard house'd, not an out route.
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which is even more difficult to read and jump. how often do you see that? the kid has talent but he's playing for the special olympics coach of the year
 
Cane Dynasty said:
Andrew said:
Tracy and Burns were both over rated coming out of high school. I don't thin Tracy can lock down a big time college receiver so he might need to pay attention to the zone stuff they are trying to teach him.
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I respectfully disagree on both counts.

These kids are having their careers destroyed by **** poor corches.
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I agree the coaching is bad but I still think these guys were overrated. Compare Tracy to Vernon Hargreaves his freshman year at Florida.
 
Skeemz. Dorito. Corch. Alfraud. Press. Bro. Gorlden. Porster. Staph. Starz. Aggressive. Lockdown. Overrated.

Gripping analysis by the usual suspects. Two thumbs up.
 
I get a hearty chuckle out of all our rube fans constantly yapping about our super blue chip recruits being overrated after they languish in Coach Golden's clogged up cesspool.

Then they have the gall to compare them to guys like Hargreaves who played under a HC who has proven to be a defensive genius who specializes in DBs. Yeah that's a great argument, dear friends. Keep going with the brilliance.

Seems like all the guys who just drafted were overrated too based on their paltry production under the great Coach Golden. They really let him down with their underachieving.
 
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golden could have proved something to me by getting rid of Paul Williams. btw, part of the reason Redwine wasnt as highly regarded is because Paul Williams went around bashing him. called him "soft" hilarious that he signed with us.
 
When was the last time an offense came to the line of scrimmage against our awesome defense and had to call a timeout!!! It seem every competent team came to the line and just did what they wanted! outcoached!!!!
 
Sugarhillcane said:
It's strange how 5 star kids turn into studs at other programs but turn into busts here.
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There very few 5 star guys that will excel at the highest level by themselves. Bama 5 stars are surrounded by mostly 5 stars, helps development tremendously and masks mistakes. All teams have highly recruited players that underwelm early. Some improve by senior season and others just never do wheather it be that there overated, game didnt adjust to college, lack of coaching, scheme fit, or poor work ethic. Lots of reasons.
 
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