Former FSU player shot, caught on camera.

[Vizslacane]

Highest per capita incarceration rate, and also the highest number of individuals incarcerated anywhere on the planet. Americans are approximately 5% of the world's population, but Americans make up about 25% of the world's incarcerated population. As of 2019, China (running second in sheer numbers) has over a billion more citizens than the USA, but we have about 2.1 million Americans incarcerated compared to China's 1.6 million. Brazil comes in third with about 700K citizens incarcerated. Followed by that bastion of freedom, Russia, with about 550K incarcerated citizens. India (with its population of about 1.35 billion) rounds out the top 5 with just over 430K incarcerated citizens.

There could be some very good explanations for this, other than the appearance that the US incarcerates more than other countries. For example, where the US incarcerates people for drug offenses, many other countries kill them. Is incarceration worse? Also, some countries have "work camps" and "education centers" that most in the US would agree violate one's civil rights, and for whatever reason do not fit the definition of "prison" or "jail" or "incarceration" or whatever terminology is used and are therefore not included in the data. But I think reasonable people in the US would agree that those in "work camps" or "education centers" absolutely fit the definition and should be included (but for political reasons are not).

 

[Tad Footeball]

Cops/Police Unions: We're not social workers! We're not drug counselors! We're not Family Court! We're not here to be revenue collectors! Stop asking us to do all that stuff that we're not trained for and/or puts us in too many difficult situations.

People That Want Police Reform: We hear you and we agree! We'll just need to reallocate some of your funding, scaleback your purchases of military equipment and possibly reduce the size of some forces so as we can let better qualified people handle the work you just said you don't want to do.

Cops/Police Unions: Over our dead bodies! Not one cent and not one tank! We're heroes! Find that money elsewhere!

 

[The Franchise]

There is so much ******* bull**** on this board lately. Jfc does anybody come here to talk football anymore?

Says the dude who started two music threads.

 

[The Franchise]

Cops/Police Unions: We're not social workers! We're not drug counselors! We're not Family Court! We're not here to be revenue collectors! Stop asking us to do all that stuff that we're not trained for and/or puts us in too many difficult situations.

People That Want Police Reform: We hear you and we agree! We'll just need to reallocate some of your funding, scaleback your purchases of military equipment and possibly reduce the size of some forces so as we can let better qualified people handle the work you just said you don't want to do.

Cops/Police Unions: Over our dead bodies! Not one cent and not one tank! We're heroes! Find that money elsewhere!

Preach.

 

[RVACane]

“I never had to run from the klu klux klan
And I shouldn’t have to run from a black man”

Kool Mo Dee

Bro you’re pulling out Self Destruction

 

[pacusmc]

Bro you’re pulling out Self Destruction

IMO It’s one of the most powerful verses ever.
So many layers to that one small sentence.

 

[RVACane]

IMO It’s one of the most powerful verses ever.
So many layers to that one small sentence.

He tore LL up in Let’s Go.

 

[pacusmc]

He tore LL up in Let’s Go.

“You got a lock on my jock like a pit bull”

 

[Hurricane Warrior]

According to the World Prison Brief, China had an incarceration rate of 118 per 100,000 as of mid-2015 (for 1,649,804 sentenced prisoners in Ministry of Justice prisons only). The World Prison Brief states that in addition to the sentenced prisoners, there may be more than 650,000 held in detention centers. "A total prison population of 2,300,000 would raise the incarceration rate to 164 per 100,000."[10]

After 2015 there was a great increase in the number of people in the Xinjiang re-education camps. In May 2018, Randall Schriver of the United States Department of Defense claimed that "at least a million but likely closer to three million citizens" were imprisoned in detention centers in a strong condemnation of the "concentration camps".[11][12][13] In August 2018, a United Nations human rights panel said that it had received many credible reports that 1 million ethnic Uyghurs in China have been held in "re-education camps".[14][15]

People are scared to commit crimes in China unless you are rich or politically connected. Lots of corruption. They don't mess around with with criminals. You are guilty until proven innocent for the most part and punishment is real. Forget your human rights, you lose it the moment you are deemed a criminal. Prison system is not a joke and they will kill you for drug trafficking or attempted murder. Criminal life is not glorified and frowned upon by everyone including the entertainment/media. Your family will disown you for bringing shame to the family. Has nothing to do with poverty, the poor in China have far less than the homeless here but don't use it as an excuse to commit crimes. Accountability is what is lacking in this country. On all levels, from government to individuals. Until our main stream culture changes it will only get worse.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

No. The way I hear that, is the demand of the people, for the defunding and dismantling of the status quo. "Do **** differently. Were tired of the Same Ol BullSh1t!!!" is what I hear. People are tired of paying for and then watching the same **** show over and over. Much like our fans are tired of the **** that Manny and Co. has been putting on the field under the guise of 'Hurricane Football' as of late. Bruh, NOBODY wants to live in a totally lawless society. Think. There's no safety there. Dr. Maslow (Hierarchy of Needs) taught us that a long time ago.

So a crowd yelling “GTFO we are voting you out if you don’t abolish the police,” means we want cops, but just different cops, to you?

Voting to abolish the police in Minneapolis without a plan to replace them, and saying already existing social services will replace them, means those people still want cops too?

 

[JD08]

So a crowd yelling “GTFO we are voting you out if you don’t abolish the police,” means we want cops, but just different cops, to you?

Voting to abolish the police in Minneapolis without a plan to replace them, and saying already existing social services will replace them, means those people still want cops too?

It's not impossible. I had to explain to my wife how common phrases I use have different meanings. For instance, "hello", "what are you doing right now", "got a minute", and "shut up" all mean "Let's have ***."

 

[RVACane]

“You got a lock on my jock like a pit bull”

I don't get even, I get odd, Todd - always one up on ya.

Just using your name, I took those L’s,
Put em on your head and rocked your bells.

Lol!!!

 

[Disgustipated]

This was caused by defunded police?

Is that what I said? This incident obviously not.

 

[CFLCane]

Cops/Police Unions: We're not social workers! We're not drug counselors! We're not Family Court! We're not here to be revenue collectors! Stop asking us to do all that stuff that we're not trained for and/or puts us in too many difficult situations.

People That Want Police Reform: We hear you and we agree! We'll just need to reallocate some of your funding, scaleback your purchases of military equipment and possibly reduce the size of some forces so as we can let better qualified people handle the work you just said you don't want to do.

Cops/Police Unions: Over our dead bodies! Not one cent and not one tank! We're heroes! Find that money elsewhere!

Perfectly said.

 

[Plzwork4]

Cops/Police Unions: We're not social workers! We're not drug counselors! We're not Family Court! We're not here to be revenue collectors! Stop asking us to do all that stuff that we're not trained for and/or puts us in too many difficult situations.

People That Want Police Reform: We hear you and we agree! We'll just need to reallocate some of your funding, scaleback your purchases of military equipment and possibly reduce the size of some forces so as we can let better qualified people handle the work you just said you don't want to do.

Cops/Police Unions: Over our dead bodies! Not one cent and not one tank! We're heroes! Find that money elsewhere!

This is it. Police unions are a huge issue. Unions in general are.

However, this is not the same as the bumper sticker slogan "Defund the Police". I'm sorry but you lose me there if that is what you are trying to make excuses for.

 

[No_Fly_Zone]

According to the World Prison Brief, China had an incarceration rate of 118 per 100,000 as of mid-2015 (for 1,649,804 sentenced prisoners in Ministry of Justice prisons only). The World Prison Brief states that in addition to the sentenced prisoners, there may be more than 650,000 held in detention centers. "A total prison population of 2,300,000 would raise the incarceration rate to 164 per 100,000."[10]

After 2015 there was a great increase in the number of people in the Xinjiang re-education camps. In May 2018, Randall Schriver of the United States Department of Defense claimed that "at least a million but likely closer to three million citizens" were imprisoned in detention centers in a strong condemnation of the "concentration camps".[11][12][13] In August 2018, a United Nations human rights panel said that it had received many credible reports that 1 million ethnic Uyghurs in China have been held in "re-education camps".[14][15]

Very unfortunate if true. Where'd you pull the stats from?

Either way, if we add China's (estimated, but unconfirmed) 650K to the 1.65 million incarcerated, that 2.3 million. If we further add the high end estimate of detainees (3 million), the total is 5.3 million. For about 1.38 billion people, that's approximately a 384 per 100,000 rate of incarceration. Sadly, it still doesn't hold a candle to the US rate, which is about 700 per 100,000 people.

 

[No_Fly_Zone]

You can’t just look at the statistics and then just make a conclusion. We also have the largest amount of drug consumption as well as the largest amount of violent crimes including a ridiculously armed civilian population whether it’s legal or illegal he obtained.
We are also the third most populated country in the world. We also are one of the few countries that can actually afford to incarcerate large amount of people.
we’re not just throwing people in jail for no reason.

What conclusion did I make? Re-read my post, man. It's just facts (minus one shot taken at Russia). You can draw whatever conclusions you want to from those facts... and that was done intentionally.

As far as the rest of it, I'd say if it is true that we have the largest amount of drug consumption in the world, yet we are hypocritically throwing individuals in prison on long stretches for non-violent, drug-related crimes, then we are clearly throwing people in prison for no (just) reason.

Until someone can logically explain to me why (until 2010) Federal sentencing guidelines required 100 times more power cocaine than crack cocaine for the same 5/10/20 mandatory minimums to apply, for what is essentially the same drug (with the exception that powder cocaine use has historically been more prevalent among affluent white people as compared to crack cocaine), and why there is still an 18:1 weight disparity to trigger those federal sentencing requirements following the Fair Sentencing Act, I won't be swayed. Sentencing of drug-related crimes is targeted among certain demographics in our society.

 

[No_Fly_Zone]

There could be some very good explanations for this, other than the appearance that the US incarcerates more than other countries. For example, where the US incarcerates people for drug offenses, many other countries kill them. Is incarceration worse? Also, some countries have "work camps" and "education centers" that most in the US would agree violate one's civil rights, and for whatever reason do not fit the definition of "prison" or "jail" or "incarceration" or whatever terminology is used and are therefore not included in the data. But I think reasonable people in the US would agree that those in "work camps" or "education centers" absolutely fit the definition and should be included (but for political reasons are not).

Other countries may very well be under-reporting. In particular in the case of China, and quite likely Russia. And many of the other countries in the top 15 (Thailand, Singapore, Iran) certainly have a different view of what constitutes a capital crime than even the staunchest members of the GOP. I'm not certain there is much evidence of that in Brazil or India, but overall, your point is well taken and fair.

That being said, when the "most free civilization" in the world is incarcerating 700 people for every 100,000, on its face that seems out of whack. And if you trace our own history of incarceration, you will find it peaks after the Nixon presidency and his War on Drugs, and then again after the SRA is passed.

As an FYI, there were approximately 207 million Americans in 1971, 235 million in 1984, and 282 million in 2000. Obviously some growth should be expected as population expands, but the incarceration rate was very clearly surpassing the population growth rate.

 

[Calvin]

If there was a police car sitting on that corner, what are the chances that happens?

Btw your comment makes no sense. But I like it when people that have no idea what their talking about comment because it exposes their shallow hashtag knowledge on the topic.

Maybe you should take a field trip to Liberty City, or pull up a few episodes of first 48, it doesn't matter much or at all if a police car is sitting close, I can't speak for nowhere else, but here, when the fellas come to get you, a police not gone save you, in fact when them choppa's start letting lose, the police start trying to save themselves.

In fact, in certain neighborhoods they told the police don't park and do reports, back in the day when the police use to do that, they got caught slippin, and ****'s would have a gun in they face and make them pop the trunk and get the confiscated weapons outta their, and he'd be lucky to keep his. In some neighborhoods it's like New year's Eve, notice how you don't see police normally by no later than 1145-11:50, they start hiding round than or earlier, cause they know, payback time, ARTHUR MCDUFFIE, NEVELL JOHNSON, WILLIAM LLOYD, ALLAN BLANCHARD, and the many other victims who passed away or got shot and survived by those cowards with badges and guns!

 

[TerragonSix]

Ignoring the politico of this thread; that poor *******. Gunned down in the middle of the street in broad daylight.

Not ignoring the politico of this thread; no I don't believe the police should be defunded, but they should not also have APC's. You need something that big, you need the National Guard.

The current legislation proposed, the only real gripe I have about it is whether the use of force was appropriate, the bar is changed from 'reasonable' to 'neccessary'. Can't agree with that. That is a dangerous slippery slope.

The anti-lynching language in it is laughable. As if attempted murder is not a serious enough offense.

But reduction in military vehicles and gear, civillian independent investigations, yeah, I can get behind that. I would like to see police cars go two-up instead of one-up.

They still should have access to automatic weaponry and be able to deploy it on a limited basis, ala North Hollywood Shootout.

The police are not the military, they are law enforcement. SWAT is not the military either.

I've outshot ERT/SWAT guys at the range, even instructed them. They are better than the average Bear, but they are not Tier 1 badasses the media portrays them to be. Some are quite good. But again, they are not the military and they should not pretend to be.