Donna a Micromanager. DiMare & Miller to Decide Our Fate

[umhurricano]

This can't be the structure at big time programs, right? I understand everyone's got their heavy hitters when it comes to boosters and contributors, but ultimately the hiring decisions are left to an athletic director who is qualified to handle these decisions, no?

Is it abnormal to have two BOT members playing a crucial role in the search and decision making process?

My guess, with no information to back it up, is that no, it is not unusual to involve BOT members. The football coach is usually, by far, the highest paid employee of a school. Much of his salary comes from donations (through one channel or another). DiMare and Miller are both major strategic decision makers and major donors for the university. A major corporation would involve their board in an executive search. Because of pay (but not position) I would consider the equivalent to finding a new CEO.

I think at bigger schools the number of people with deep pockets is bigger so things may be handled differently organizationally, but the donors certainly have a say.

The thing that surprised me the most was Frenk not being involved. I hated Shalala but calling her a micro-manager for being involved in the coaching search is a bit of a stretch. Her motivations were completely different than those of us rooting for the program, but she did recognize that it was a major decision that she wanted to influence (for the worse).

 

[MIATL]

LOL

This can't be real life!

This is really coming down to South Florida high school coaches and kids all wanting wanting a position coach who was 27-47 during his time as a HC in the Sunbelt conference, and was fired in year 6 of his tenure ... versus ... Old school fans who want a 65 year old (how old he'll be next season) to be the HC, after he's been out of college coaching for 5 years, posted successive 8-5 records, and never finished better than 3rd place in the Coastal division.

Yeah ... It will be the AD or BoT fault when this goes sideways.

Not the fans who act as if you can't coach at Miami unless you're previously played or coached here. Even though the winningest coaches in Miami history had no prior ties to the school, and 2 of the past 3 failed coaches both had significant ties to the program, and to South Florida.

Ca't make this stuff up ...

#MessageBoardLyfe

 

[Consigliere]

Head coach: Butch Davis
Offensive coordinator: Ken Dorsey
Defensive coordinator: Greg Schiano


I didn't plan on *********ing at lunch, but plans change.

So you want to hire a defensive minded HC and a first time OC?

 

[Problem2]

Head coach: Butch Davis
Offensive coordinator: Ken Dorsey
Defensive coordinator: Greg Schiano


I didn't plan on *********ing at lunch, but plans change.

So you want to hire a defensive minded DC and a first time OC?

Huh?

 

[Ssoto0055]

Why does everyone take it as we reached out offering him the job? I think they are just reaching out to possibilities to see who wants to put their name in the hat. Shula doesnt excite many of us but im sure both BoT have some sort of relationship with the shula's and wanted to see if he'd be a possibility

I think it is a problem that they would even reach out to him.

This is South Florida and that name is sacred down here to many if you're a Dolphins fan.

 

[Juancane]

I think it obvious we gave the BOT and AD a bad name before it was deserved. There was five successful hires until Shalala but then three bad hire. She was the problem.

If Mike Shula is the first person they reached out to, they deserve every bit of criticism thrown their way and some.

I'd be more worried if Shula is the final name standing. Their gonna vet a bunch of people. I agree Shula wouldn't seem a good fit at all.

 

[Noliaboi]

I don't want Shula or Cristobal.

But if left with no option, I would rather us take Shula. I hope he has learned something the last 10 years.

Cristobal latest failure is still to new.

 

[Consigliere]

Head coach: Butch Davis
Offensive coordinator: Ken Dorsey
Defensive coordinator: Greg Schiano


I didn't plan on *********ing at lunch, but plans change.

So you want to hire a defensive minded DC and a first time OC?

Huh?

I meant HC. Defensive minded HC.

 

[WhatTheHell]

Ken Dorsey is gonna be an NFL OC any minute now. I'd welcome him with a big old smile and a bigger boner if we somehow manage to convince him to downgrade to college for a couple years.

 

[mdpcane]

LOL

This can't be real life!

This is really coming down to South Florida high school coaches and kids all wanting wanting a position coach who was 27-47 during his time as a HC in the Sunbelt conference, and was fired in year 6 of his tenure ... versus ... Old school fans who want a 65 year old (how old he'll be next season) to be the HC, after he's been out of college coaching for 5 years, posted successive 8-5 records, and never finished better than 3rd place in the Coastal division.

Yeah ... It will be the AD or BoT fault when this goes sideways.

Not the fans who act as if you can't coach at Miami unless you're previously played or coached here. Even though the winningest coaches in Miami history had no prior ties to the school, and 2 of the past 3 failed coaches both had significant ties to the program, and to South Florida.

Ca't make this stuff up ...

#MessageBoardLyfe

 

[CanesAreAble]

Ken Dorsey is gonna be an NFL OC any minute now. I'd welcome him with a big old smile and a bigger boner if we somehow manage to convince him to downgrade to college for a couple years.

I love Dorsey, but his inexperience gives me pause. He's in line to be an NFL OC, but a) that doesn't mean he'll be good at it, and b) coaching in the NFL doesn't automatically mean you'll be good in college. There is a laundry list of guys who coached in the NFL and flopped in college. Butch's last OC (John Shoop) was an OC in the NFL, and he was terrible at UNC.

That said, Dorsey is a smart football junkie, and I think he'll figure it out. I just prefer an offensive head coach with a track record of implementing explosive offenses at the college level; sometimes NFL guys with deep knowledge of the game struggle with teaching 18-year-olds with limited practice time.

 

[ejfudd]

Sure would like to see JJ on that hiring committee...

JJ would be a great choice, right after myself.

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Huh? You question Jimmy Johnson's ability to contribute to the process of evaluating and hiring a good HC at UM?

 

[Dash]

I wonder if there were two spoiled rich men tell Sam Jankovich what to do......

My guess is no. We'll end up with Butch, which is a safe, lazy hire. The masses will be overjoyed until we go 7-5 next year.

 

[LuCane]

Were DiMare and Miller responsible for hiring Al Golden? How much of that was a Shalala decision? Are these the same dudes who were offended by Dan Mullen during his interview? These are important questions. These are the men responsible for either reviving us or driving the final stake through our skulls.
@DMoney? @LuCane? Anyone know?

D has closer knowledge, but my understanding from a couple big supporters of the program is that, yes, Dimare was a (the?) leader in the last process. I have heard he's a shrewd guy all the way around, though, so I don't really blame him (or the BOT) for the real ****ups: (1) extending him via the PSU fiasco and (2) not firing Golden after last season.

 

[LuCane]

Ken Dorsey is gonna be an NFL OC any minute now. I'd welcome him with a big old smile and a bigger boner if we somehow manage to convince him to downgrade to college for a couple years.

I love Dorsey, but his inexperience gives me pause. He's in line to be an NFL OC, but a) that doesn't mean he'll be good at it, and b) coaching in the NFL doesn't automatically mean you'll be good in college. There is a laundry list of guys who coached in the NFL and flopped in college. Butch's last OC (John Shoop) was an OC in the NFL, and he was terrible at UNC.

That said, Dorsey is a smart football junkie, and I think he'll figure it out. I just prefer an offensive head coach with a track record of implementing explosive offenses at the college level; sometimes NFL guys with deep knowledge of the game struggle with teaching 18-year-olds with limited practice time.

It's a roll of the dice with relatively minimal downside, and a ton of upside. Less downside than when we brought Fisch, I think, who many will note had briefly been an OC before his stint here, but had fumbled it a bit. Fans at his prior stop were happy to see him go.

We have to be ahead of the curve once. Just f'in once. Dorsey is a former advanced scout, football maniac, and has considerable experience (while playing and after) handling QBs and contributing to NFL offenses. Is it a perfect hire with no risk? Obviously not. But, it's one **** of a roll of the dice to get Dorsey as your college OC when he'll likely get a crack at NFL OC within 2 years.

To me, Dorsey is a future Head Coach or offensive guru. I'm betting on him.

 

[UMFarArcher]

I wonder if there were two spoiled rich men tell Sam Jankovich what to do......

My guess is no. We'll end up with Butch, which is a safe, lazy hire. The masses will be overjoyed until we go 7-5 next year.

Tell me you're not really that dumb.

7-5?

Quit. Just quit it.

 

[Dash]

I wonder if there were two spoiled rich men tell Sam Jankovich what to do......

My guess is no. We'll end up with Butch, which is a safe, lazy hire. The masses will be overjoyed until we go 7-5 next year.

Tell me you're not really that dumb.

7-5?

Quit. Just quit it.

I think it is completely delusional to assume that a guy who only won double digits once in his career is going to come to Miami and instantly turn the team into a winner.

Give him four years to recruit and develop and you might get there, but having seen Butch work before I think its crazy to think he is suddenly going to be a totally different coach at age 63.

 

[Dwinstitles]

I want butch number one choice but even i dont think he wins next year unless his clas this year is comoletely savage

 

[The Franchise]

Therein lies the problem. We have too many cooks, some of whom are ***ing awful, and no real process in place for hiring.

Now that Golden is gone...

Step 1: Hire a competent passionate AD and allow the AD to run the department with total autonomy.

Step 2: Properly fund the department and quit the bullchit cheap behavior and wasteful spending.

It is one thing if these BOTs want to suggest something (a name), but there is no reason to have so many (incompetent) people involved in this process.

They'd be wise to look at a guy like Tom Jurich and try to model the AD after that. Unfortunately, there are too many egos with too much say.

Just look at the baseball team. It's the best job in college baseball, yet they're going to hand it to the top booster's son. You could get a proven winner in here like we did when we hired Morris away from College World Series team Georgia Tech. Instead, they're giving it to a guy whose only claim to fame is being the top booster's son.

 

[cryptocane]

so 2 guys who know nothing about football are going to make a huge football decision because they are rich and give a lot of money to the school??