Donna a Micromanager. DiMare & Miller to Decide Our Fate

[Crazy4thecanes]

I'm still on the Butch wagon but I have to be honest - after listening to WAY too much sports talk radio than can be healthy for me - I wouldn't be sad if Charlie Strong is the choice. If they could swing that? Pffft. Watch out!

 

[theibisrules]

I think it obvious we gave the BOT and AD a bad name before it was deserved. There was five successful hires until Shalala but then three bad hire. She was the problem.

She ruined the program

Not quite...we still have a pulse however meager.

 

[The Franchise]

I wonder if there were two spoiled rich men tell Sam Jankovich what to do......

My guess is no. We'll end up with Butch, which is a safe, lazy hire. The masses will be overjoyed until we go 7-5 next year.

Tell me you're not really that dumb.

7-5?

Quit. Just quit it.

I think it is completely delusional to assume that a guy who only won double digits once in his career is going to come to Miami and instantly turn the team into a winner.

Give him four years to recruit and develop and you might get there, but having seen Butch work before I think its crazy to think he is suddenly going to be a totally different coach at age 63.

Ignore history. Butch defies his own past. He's hungrier now than ever before and will be an instant winner for the first time in his long career.

 

[theibisrules]

I think it obvious we gave the BOT and AD a bad name before it was deserved. There was five successful hires until Shalala but then three bad hire. She was the problem.

She ruined the program

It almost seems as if she had a personal vendetta against the football program since she couldn't get her boy Barry Alvarez in after Butch left.

We did have a ton of bad press incidents to help out...LSU fight, FIU fight, a week later Bryan Pata is murdered.

 

[mdpcane]

I wonder if there were two spoiled rich men tell Sam Jankovich what to do......

My guess is no. We'll end up with Butch, which is a safe, lazy hire. The masses will be overjoyed until we go 7-5 next year.

Tell me you're not really that dumb.

7-5?

Quit. Just quit it.

I think it is completely delusional to assume that a guy who only won double digits once in his career is going to come to Miami and instantly turn the team into a winner.

Give him four years to recruit and develop and you might get there, but having seen Butch work before I think its crazy to think he is suddenly going to be a totally different coach at age 63.

yeah...you are the official "Butch expert".....give us a break, shorty

 

[Consigliere]

Ken Dorsey is gonna be an NFL OC any minute now. I'd welcome him with a big old smile and a bigger boner if we somehow manage to convince him to downgrade to college for a couple years.

So you want him paired with a defensive minded HC and no help on offense. If he was with Fuente/Herman, maybe. But with Butch, no thanks.

 

[Torocane]

Why does everyone take it as we reached out offering him the job? I think they are just reaching out to possibilities to see who wants to put their name in the hat. Shula doesnt excite many of us but im sure both BoT have some sort of relationship with the shula's and wanted to see if he'd be a possibility

I think it is a problem that they would even reach out to him.

That was probably all about respect. I don't believe that wanted to really hire him.

That makes no sense.
1- The Shula family have no connection to UM.
2- Focus on the search not wasting time contacting pleople you don't want to hire.

 

[Torocane]

"One of the first names that was reached out to was Mike Shula,"

Reported mulitie times. If it's true...and at this point there's is no evidence that it isn't...this search is going to be a clown show.
That would mean that out of the gate number one on your list was Mike Shula. Let that sink in.
Woukd not be shocked if number two on the list is Dnofrio.

 

[Consigliere]

Were DiMare and Miller responsible for hiring Al Golden? How much of that was a Shalala decision? Are these the same dudes who were offended by Dan Mullen during his interview? These are important questions. These are the men responsible for either reviving us or driving the final stake through our skulls.
@DMoney? @LuCane? Anyone know?

D has closer knowledge, but my understanding from a couple big supporters of the program is that, yes, Dimare was a (the?) leader in the last process. I have heard he's a shrewd guy all the way around, though, so I don't really blame him (or the BOT) for the real ****ups: (1) extending him via the PSU fiasco and (2) not firing Golden after last season.

They extended him in 2011. Franklin took the gig in 2013. Golden didn't try to get the PSU gig till after the 2013 season.

The extension made no sense. Anyone behind it should be automatically DQ from being apart of the search.

Golden should have been fired after 2013. Anyone who decided to keep him then or after 2014 should be automatically DQ from being apart of the search.

So if DiMare was involved he is a moron and should not be apart of the search.

Again our last 3 coaches have been extended for no ***ing reason (Coker in 2005, Shannon and Golden). Anyone involved with these extensions needs to also be DQ from being apart of the search.

 

[Consigliere]

Therein lies the problem. We have too many cooks, some of whom are ***ing awful, and no real process in place for hiring.

Now that Golden is gone...

Step 1: Hire a competent passionate AD and allow the AD to run the department with total autonomy.

Step 2: Properly fund the department and quit the bullchit cheap behavior and wasteful spending.

It is one thing if these BOTs want to suggest something (a name), but there is no reason to have so many (incompetent) people involved in this process.

They'd be wise to look at a guy like Tom Jurich and try to model the AD after that. Unfortunately, there are too many egos with too much say.

Just look at the baseball team. It's the best job in college baseball, yet they're going to hand it to the top booster's son. You could get a proven winner in here like we did when we hired Morris away from College World Series team Georgia Tech. Instead, they're giving it to a guy whose only claim to fame is being the top booster's son.

Yup

 

[UMFarArcher]

I wonder if there were two spoiled rich men tell Sam Jankovich what to do......

My guess is no. We'll end up with Butch, which is a safe, lazy hire. The masses will be overjoyed until we go 7-5 next year.

Tell me you're not really that dumb.

7-5?

Quit. Just quit it.

I think it is completely delusional to assume that a guy who only won double digits once in his career is going to come to Miami and instantly turn the team into a winner.

Give him four years to recruit and develop and you might get there, but having seen Butch work before I think its crazy to think he is suddenly going to be a totally different coach at age 63.

You didn't see him work at Miami.

You look at one number.

Five.

No further, just that one number is all you see.

Not realizing that this single number is the average of twenty six other numbers. You never bother looking at what it took to come up with that number, because snot rags don't EVER invest any time considering all conditions and variables.

I used to bag guys like you up all the time. You're just unaware.

 

[Bennubird]

I'm not letting them off sh*t until we have a competent and competitive coach in place. The BOT can hire and fire the president. They saw what she was doing and did nothing. They are complicit.

I think it obvious we gave the BOT and AD a bad name before it was deserved. There was five successful hires until Shalala but then three bad hire. She was the problem.

 

[the storm]

Isn't Gino Dimare HC in waiting for baseball behind Jim Morris?

I know the Dimare family though I haven 't had contact for twenty plus years. Paul knows athletics. All of his sons were good athletes so I assume he was also. He's a hard nose no nonsense businessman who knows the territory. I can think of no one I would rather be involved in this process then Paul.

 

[clg003]

I'm still on the Butch wagon but I have to be honest - after listening to WAY too much sports talk radio than can be healthy for me - I wouldn't be sad if Charlie Strong is the choice. If they could swing that? Pffft. Watch out!

Wait are people finally coming to their senses after listening to people with valid opinions and rational thought.

Could you imagine the radio show these clowns would host?

I actually feel the same way .

I love butch but part of me knows its just nostalgia. There is no other coach other than maybe Jimmy that I would like to bring us back. But I cannot deny he is old and he did not do things at UNC that should make us simply believe he will do 2001 all over again.

People say Alabama recruits itself well maybe in 2001 The U recruited for itself. Maybe it was the perfect storm. It was simply because of him he would have had more success. Urban would go to UNC and win the coastal without a doubt.

I will root like MFer for Miami regardless of the coach.

I would be happy with Charlie and I would be happy with Herman.

I dont want Mario as the HC but i do want him on the staff.

Anytime you can force the number one recruiting team to lose their top recruiter and to have to rebuild connects in your locale its a very good move. With him being a Cane its a no brainer. He also has connects in other top programs simply because he was under the Saban banner. To simply bad mouth this dude because your a paranoid crybaby make no sense to me.

 

[clg003]

Isn't Gino Dimare HC in waiting for baseball behind Jim Morris?

I know the Dimare family though I haven 't had contact for twenty plus years. Paul knows athletics. All of his sons were good athletes so I assume he was also. He's a hard nose no nonsense businessman who knows the territory. I can think of no one I would rather be involved in this process then Paul.

Yes... really the head coach right now for basically everything other than on the field duties.

He handles recruiting.

 

[felix]

Really? 32 people in the United States have the title of NFL Offensive Coordinator, 32. He also happens to be coaching an undefeated team with one of the best QB's in the league, but he is a bad choice? He may not be the best choice, but he is certainly a capable choice and clearly better than Golden, Shannon and Coker. You have to start somewhere and nothing wrong with gauging interest from Mike Shula.

I think it obvious we gave the BOT and AD a bad name before it was deserved. There was five successful hires until Shalala but then three bad hire. She was the problem.

If Mike Shula is the first person they reached out to, they deserve every bit of criticism thrown their way and some.

 

[clg003]

I wonder if there were two spoiled rich men tell Sam Jankovich what to do......

My guess is no. We'll end up with Butch, which is a safe, lazy hire. The masses will be overjoyed until we go 7-5 next year.

Tell me you're not really that dumb.

7-5?

Quit. Just quit it.

I think it is completely delusional to assume that a guy who only won double digits once in his career is going to come to Miami and instantly turn the team into a winner.

Give him four years to recruit and develop and you might get there, but having seen Butch work before I think its crazy to think he is suddenly going to be a totally different coach at age 63.

You didn't see him work at Miami.

You look at one number.

Five.

No further, just that one number is all you see.

Not realizing that this single number is the average of twenty six other numbers. You never bother looking at what it took to come up with that number, because snot rags don't EVER invest any time considering all conditions and variables.

I used to bag guys like you up all the time. You're just unaware.

LOL.... and you are aware....

You have no idea what it takes to be a successful coach at Miami in today's environment. No clue whatsoever.

You know more than Saban!

ROTFFL!

 

[clg003]

"One of the first names that was reached out to was Mike Shula,"

Reported mulitie times. If it's true...and at this point there's is no evidence that it isn't...this search is going to be a clown show.
That would mean that out of the gate number one on your list was Mike Shula. Let that sink in.
Woukd not be shocked if number two on the list is Dnofrio.

Shula will likely be a head coach in the NFL next year and you think its a clown search. He turned us down because he knows he is about to get his own NFL team but for Miami, the school that had Al Golden running the ship and had multiple coaches turn it down the last time around its a clown search.

ROTFFL!

 

[duke4heisman]

I'm still on the Butch wagon but I have to be honest - after listening to WAY too much sports talk radio than can be healthy for me - I wouldn't be sad if Charlie Strong is the choice. If they could swing that? Pffft. Watch out!

Wait are people finally coming to their senses after listening to people with valid opinions and rational thought.

Could you imagine the radio show these clowns would host?

I actually feel the same way .

I love butch but part of me knows its just nostalgia. There is no other coach other than maybe Jimmy that I would like to bring us back. But I cannot deny he is old and he did not do things at UNC that should make us simply believe he will do 2001 all over again.

People say Alabama recruits itself well maybe in 2001 The U recruited for itself. Maybe it was the perfect storm. It was simply because of him he would have had more success. Urban would go to UNC and win the coastal without a doubt.

I will root like MFer for Miami regardless of the coach.

I would be happy with Charlie and I would be happy with Herman.

I dont want Mario as the HC but i do want him on the staff.

Anytime you can force the number one recruiting team to lose their top recruiter and to have to rebuild connects in your locale its a very good move. With him being a Cane its a no brainer. He also has connects in other top programs simply because he was under the Saban banner. To simply bad mouth this dude because your a paranoid crybaby make no sense to me.

Lulz at trying to compare UNC to Miami. Of course Miami recruited itself in 2001, because of Butch! He took over a program on life support under REAL sanctions and turned it into a juggernaut!!

 

[DMoney]

Ken Dorsey is gonna be an NFL OC any minute now. I'd welcome him with a big old smile and a bigger boner if we somehow manage to convince him to downgrade to college for a couple years.

I love Dorsey, but his inexperience gives me pause. He's in line to be an NFL OC, but a) that doesn't mean he'll be good at it, and b) coaching in the NFL doesn't automatically mean you'll be good in college. There is a laundry list of guys who coached in the NFL and flopped in college. Butch's last OC (John Shoop) was an OC in the NFL, and he was terrible at UNC.

That said, Dorsey is a smart football junkie, and I think he'll figure it out. I just prefer an offensive head coach with a track record of implementing explosive offenses at the college level; sometimes NFL guys with deep knowledge of the game struggle with teaching 18-year-olds with limited practice time.

It's a roll of the dice with relatively minimal downside, and a ton of upside. Less downside than when we brought Fisch, I think, who many will note had briefly been an OC before his stint here, but had fumbled it a bit. Fans at his prior stop were happy to see him go.

We have to be ahead of the curve once. Just f'in once. Dorsey is a former advanced scout, football maniac, and has considerable experience (while playing and after) handling QBs and contributing to NFL offenses. Is it a perfect hire with no risk? Obviously not. But, it's one **** of a roll of the dice to get Dorsey as your college OC when he'll likely get a crack at NFL OC within 2 years.

To me, Dorsey is a future Head Coach or offensive guru. I'm betting on him.

Agree with this.

Fit is important, and I love pairing Kaaya with an NFL QB coach. He is an NFL QB. Kaaya will be applying the same concepts he's dealing with now, but at a more sophisticated level.