DMoney, LuCanes, Ariz

[Jedi Master Cane]

Good to see a sense of humor about the situation. Even if it is gallows humor.

Seriously, bring in Butch. Sign him to a 3 to 4 year deal. Keep Coley. Hire Dorsey as Assistant OC and QB Coach.

Give Kehoe a friendly farewell into the broadcast booth with Don Bailey.

Grab a solid Xs and Ox D coordinator and then stockpile young and ambitious recruiters for the individual positions.

Keep Coley??????

Dude, that was a typo.....an oversight......something right? He's one of the worst OC's in the country. I don't care how good a recruiter he is, if he was retained I'd officially give up on this program.

I think there has been improvement. He is a great recruiter and my hypotheses is under a more proven and experienced head coach like Butch, he would perform much better. Having said that, if he is dropped it wouldn't break my heart assuming we bring in an experienced coordinator.

Well I couldn't possibly disagree more. I refuse to believe there's even a chance that bum is retained.....as a matter of fact it would be really discouraging if the new HC, whoever it ends up being, thought enough of him to retain him. That would immediately tell me that whoever that guy is isn't the right guy for the job.

Coley is just as bad as Golden/D'Onfrio...the difference is we have more talent on offense and the defense is historically bad, which has taken a lot of the negative focus off Coley.

If that POS is retained I'm out. I know I'm hardly the only one that feels that way as well.

 

[HurricaneU]

I personally witnessed the Butch era.

Great evaluator of talent...and not a bad teacher, at least when it comes to the defensive side of the ball. With that being said, some of you don't remember how conservative he was and how much criticism he took as a gameday coach. Sound familiar?

I'm not ruling out the fact that he has learned from some of his mistakes and possibly improved, but I'll continue saying he wouldn't be my first choice. If we're going to go the somewhat conservative, defensive-minded, tough guy route I'd take Schiano before I take Butch.

I think he learned gameday lessons. UNC owned and out coached us the whole time he was there.

I can't agree with that line of thinking. You're basically saying he's improved cause he outwitted OUR coaches.

Our last 3 coaches, in order - Coker, Shannon, and Golden.

About the only thing that makes Butch, from a comparative standpoint, is a prettier fat girl. Give me something else tangible cause that doesn't prove a thing.

I was actually agreeing with you and giving an example to support your theory. He made game day adjustments and logical game day decisions. Should he be considered? IMO yes but with a list of other candidates who understand the heritage and how to coach up the elite athletes we have access to.

You guys seem to ignore the talent he recruited and developed at UNC; an obviously more recent accomplishment.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

I personally witnessed the Butch era.

Great evaluator of talent...and not a bad teacher, at least when it comes to the defensive side of the ball. With that being said, some of you don't remember how conservative he was and how much criticism he took as a gameday coach. Sound familiar?

I'm not ruling out the fact that he has learned from some of his mistakes and possibly improved, but I'll continue saying he wouldn't be my first choice. If we're going to go the somewhat conservative, defensive-minded, tough guy route I'd take Schiano before I take Butch.

I think he learned gameday lessons. UNC owned and out coached us the whole time he was there.

I can't agree with that line of thinking. You're basically saying he's improved cause he outwitted OUR coaches.

Our last 3 coaches, in order - Coker, Shannon, and Golden.

About the only thing that makes Butch, from a comparative standpoint, is a prettier fat girl. Give me something else tangible cause that doesn't prove a thing.

I was actually agreeing with you and giving an example to support your theory. He made game day adjustments and logical game day decisions. Should he be considered? IMO yes but with a list of other candidates who understand the heritage and how to coach up the elite athletes we have access to.

You guys seem to ignore the talent he recruited and developed at UNC; an obviously more recent accomplishment.

He's not the only guy that can recruit and develop talent. Just cause he was a lot better at it than the last 3 bums we've had since him doesn't automatically make him the best guy for the job.

 

[canefanforlife1]

I'm done with Golden

**** ya

 

[canefanforlife1]

I don't want Butch

**** no

 

[JHallCanes]

I don't think most people think Butch is the end all be all of coaches. Not at all. But I think when you factor in the type of hires we've made, the faith in the administration to be aggressive, things like that, I think Butch suddenly becomes a savior here. We don't need someone to build this team from the ground up again. The talent is there. Sure, I want a young and upcoming X and O guy too, but I'm not even sure I can wrap my mind around that idea. Maybe I'm wrong in thinking that way but I think Butch shoots to the top of the list when we want to get realistic.

Its too bad too because I think this is a very attractive job to a lot of aspiring coaches.

I understand the thinking behind the Butch thing....it's the reason why I wouldn't hate the hire on the level I hated the Shannon hire, when it happened.

But I'll just say this. College football has changed a TON since Butch was here. Everyone recruits well now. Everyone has talent. No stone is left unturned by ANYONE. There is something to be said for having a good tactician as your head man. I firmly believe we need a guy who can organize/oversee solid schemes on both sides of the ball.

I just really believe people have conveniently forgotten how much Butch left to be desired on gamedays.

Completely agree. It's an interesting question to ponder how Butchs talent eye would hold up now that the Internet age has taken over. All the camps, all the showcases. To his credit Golden beats up the recruiting path. I think he's found some guys, he's also been first on a few (Kaaya being a big one) but the next step is where he falls flat on his face. I dunno. Maybe it's because Butch played the hero once before?

 

[FullyERicht]

I don't believe you are saying Jimmy, Butch, Erickson, Coker were were proven head coaches. I really didn't think it was even debatable. We hired guys that turned out to be elite. I am 100% confident that our next coach will not have a proven head coaching resume. Then again I WAS 100% sure Golden was the right guy. So there's that.

When did you say proven HEAD coaches? Those guys were all proven coaches, with the exception of Coker.

That's what I was saying. Proven Head coaches. I agree we have/can hire proven coordinators. Hence the suggestion of Jeremy Pruitt.

Pruitt is significantly less experienced than JJ, Butch, Dennis, or Howard were when they were hired.

 

[SFbayCane]

I don't think most people think Butch is the end all be all of coaches. Not at all. But I think when you factor in the type of hires we've made, the faith in the administration to be aggressive, things like that, I think Butch suddenly becomes a savior here. We don't need someone to build this team from the ground up again. The talent is there. Sure, I want a young and upcoming X and O guy too, but I'm not even sure I can wrap my mind around that idea. Maybe I'm wrong in thinking that way but I think Butch shoots to the top of the list when we want to get realistic.

Its too bad too because I think this is a very attractive job to a lot of aspiring coaches.

My biggest reason for wanting Butch isn't recruiting. It's his ability to build an elite coaching staff with elite coordinators that develop talent at an almost unequaled rate.

One of the most under-appreciated aspects of being a head coach; Being able to create a network of coaches to provide you with assistant coaches, back fill spots when those coaches take promotional jobs, etc. Its what killed Coker at UM.

 

[HurricaneU]

I think he learned gameday lessons. UNC owned and out coached us the whole time he was there.

I can't agree with that line of thinking. You're basically saying he's improved cause he outwitted OUR coaches.

Our last 3 coaches, in order - Coker, Shannon, and Golden.

About the only thing that makes Butch, from a comparative standpoint, is a prettier fat girl. Give me something else tangible cause that doesn't prove a thing.

I was actually agreeing with you and giving an example to support your theory. He made game day adjustments and logical game day decisions. Should he be considered? IMO yes but with a list of other candidates who understand the heritage and how to coach up the elite athletes we have access to.

You guys seem to ignore the talent he recruited and developed at UNC; an obviously more recent accomplishment.

He's not the only guy that can recruit and develop talent. Just cause he was a lot better at it than the last 3 bums we've had since him doesn't automatically make him the best guy for the job.

He wasn't just better, he may be the best ever. He has a proven track record of finding, recruiting and developing not just talent, but first round talent. And he is just sitting there.

 

[UMFarArcher]

I think he learned gameday lessons. UNC owned and out coached us the whole time he was there.

I can't agree with that line of thinking. You're basically saying he's improved cause he outwitted OUR coaches.

Our last 3 coaches, in order - Coker, Shannon, and Golden.

About the only thing that makes Butch, from a comparative standpoint, is a prettier fat girl. Give me something else tangible cause that doesn't prove a thing.

I was actually agreeing with you and giving an example to support your theory. He made game day adjustments and logical game day decisions. Should he be considered? IMO yes but with a list of other candidates who understand the heritage and how to coach up the elite athletes we have access to.

You guys seem to ignore the talent he recruited and developed at UNC; an obviously more recent accomplishment.

He's not the only guy that can recruit and develop talent. Just cause he was a lot better at it than the last 3 bums we've had since him doesn't automatically make him the best guy for the job.

Hey. Genius.

Name one frigging team that was the equivalent of the 2001 team.

One.

Since you were probably still in diapers, guess who the coach was?

 

[gacericardo]

Where the fvck is Dermertrius Money

 

[UMFarArcher]

I don't think most people think Butch is the end all be all of coaches. Not at all. But I think when you factor in the type of hires we've made, the faith in the administration to be aggressive, things like that, I think Butch suddenly becomes a savior here. We don't need someone to build this team from the ground up again. The talent is there. Sure, I want a young and upcoming X and O guy too, but I'm not even sure I can wrap my mind around that idea. Maybe I'm wrong in thinking that way but I think Butch shoots to the top of the list when we want to get realistic.

Its too bad too because I think this is a very attractive job to a lot of aspiring coaches.

I understand the thinking behind the Butch thing....it's the reason why I wouldn't hate the hire on the level I hated the Shannon hire, when it happened.

But I'll just say this. College football has changed a TON since Butch was here. Everyone recruits well now. Everyone has talent. No stone is left unturned by ANYONE. There is something to be said for having a good tactician as your head man. I firmly believe we need a guy who can organize/oversee solid schemes on both sides of the ball.

I just really believe people have conveniently forgotten how much Butch left to be desired on gamedays.

Completely agree. It's an interesting question to ponder how Butchs talent eye would hold up now that the Internet age has taken over. All the camps, all the showcases. To his credit Golden beats up the recruiting path. I think he's found some guys, he's also been first on a few (Kaaya being a big one) but the next step is where he falls flat on his face. I dunno. Maybe it's because Butch played the hero once before?

Wait.

So the "Internet Age" will work for everyone else, but Butch - same exact age as Saban - the internet selectively won't work for Butch?

****. The excuses are unbelievable.

 

[bmonta]

Hire Chad Wilson as HC. Lol

 

[Ibis Wingz]

And yes, Golden and his whole staff need to go.

I can't agree with that part, friend. I would love to keep Ice, Hurlie Brown and Brennan Carroll.

 

[JHallCanes]

I don't think most people think Butch is the end all be all of coaches. Not at all. But I think when you factor in the type of hires we've made, the faith in the administration to be aggressive, things like that, I think Butch suddenly becomes a savior here. We don't need someone to build this team from the ground up again. The talent is there. Sure, I want a young and upcoming X and O guy too, but I'm not even sure I can wrap my mind around that idea. Maybe I'm wrong in thinking that way but I think Butch shoots to the top of the list when we want to get realistic.

Its too bad too because I think this is a very attractive job to a lot of aspiring coaches.

I understand the thinking behind the Butch thing....it's the reason why I wouldn't hate the hire on the level I hated the Shannon hire, when it happened.

But I'll just say this. College football has changed a TON since Butch was here. Everyone recruits well now. Everyone has talent. No stone is left unturned by ANYONE. There is something to be said for having a good tactician as your head man. I firmly believe we need a guy who can organize/oversee solid schemes on both sides of the ball.

I just really believe people have conveniently forgotten how much Butch left to be desired on gamedays.

Completely agree. It's an interesting question to ponder how Butchs talent eye would hold up now that the Internet age has taken over. All the camps, all the showcases. To his credit Golden beats up the recruiting path. I think he's found some guys, he's also been first on a few (Kaaya being a big one) but the next step is where he falls flat on his face. I dunno. Maybe it's because Butch played the hero once before?

Wait.

So the "Internet Age" will work for everyone else, but Butch - same exact age as Saban - the internet selectively won't work for Butch?

****. The excuses are unbelievable.

My man Archer, that's not what I'm saying. Just saying Butch could do it blindfolded. Now you got these guys doing work and closing the gap. Butch is my guy. Just saying it's interesting. A lot has changed, actually everything has changed with recruiting. **** for all we know, Butchs advantage could become even stronger.

Im ready to find out.

 

[djh]

Golden is finished, and everybody knows it. The only question is how soon he resigns or is fired.

The sooner, the better

 

[Dwinstitles]

Butch is the cure 4 dis ebola U.

 

[UMFarArcher]

I don't think most people think Butch is the end all be all of coaches. Not at all. But I think when you factor in the type of hires we've made, the faith in the administration to be aggressive, things like that, I think Butch suddenly becomes a savior here. We don't need someone to build this team from the ground up again. The talent is there. Sure, I want a young and upcoming X and O guy too, but I'm not even sure I can wrap my mind around that idea. Maybe I'm wrong in thinking that way but I think Butch shoots to the top of the list when we want to get realistic.

Its too bad too because I think this is a very attractive job to a lot of aspiring coaches.

I understand the thinking behind the Butch thing....it's the reason why I wouldn't hate the hire on the level I hated the Shannon hire, when it happened.

But I'll just say this. College football has changed a TON since Butch was here. Everyone recruits well now. Everyone has talent. No stone is left unturned by ANYONE. There is something to be said for having a good tactician as your head man. I firmly believe we need a guy who can organize/oversee solid schemes on both sides of the ball.

I just really believe people have conveniently forgotten how much Butch left to be desired on gamedays.

Completely agree. It's an interesting question to ponder how Butchs talent eye would hold up now that the Internet age has taken over. All the camps, all the showcases. To his credit Golden beats up the recruiting path. I think he's found some guys, he's also been first on a few (Kaaya being a big one) but the next step is where he falls flat on his face. I dunno. Maybe it's because Butch played the hero once before?

Wait.

So the "Internet Age" will work for everyone else, but Butch - same exact age as Saban - the internet selectively won't work for Butch?

****. The excuses are unbelievable.

My man Archer, that's not what I'm saying. Just saying Butch could do it blindfolded. Now you got these guys doing work and closing the gap. Butch is my guy. Just saying it's interesting. A lot has changed, actually everything has changed with recruiting. **** for all we know, Butchs advantage could become even stronger.

Im ready to find out.

My sincere apology.

Read too fast. Thunk not enough.

Dammit, this is just frustrating as the ****ens.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

I can't agree with that line of thinking. You're basically saying he's improved cause he outwitted OUR coaches.

Our last 3 coaches, in order - Coker, Shannon, and Golden.

About the only thing that makes Butch, from a comparative standpoint, is a prettier fat girl. Give me something else tangible cause that doesn't prove a thing.

I was actually agreeing with you and giving an example to support your theory. He made game day adjustments and logical game day decisions. Should he be considered? IMO yes but with a list of other candidates who understand the heritage and how to coach up the elite athletes we have access to.

You guys seem to ignore the talent he recruited and developed at UNC; an obviously more recent accomplishment.

He's not the only guy that can recruit and develop talent. Just cause he was a lot better at it than the last 3 bums we've had since him doesn't automatically make him the best guy for the job.

Hey. Genius.

Name one frigging team that was the equivalent of the 2001 team.

One.

Since you were probably still in diapers, guess who the coach was?

Hey genius...that was 13 years ago.

You don't think recruiting services have gotten better since then? You're telling me that if Ed Reed would have been rated a 2 star in today's day and age?

Everything from analysis to the compilation of data has improved since then. ****, how many more high school games are shown on MAJOR TV now than they were back then? Butch made a living off identifying those guys on the cheap.

It's amazing....if enough time passes a guy's legend grows out of control. He absolutely did put together probably the best team of all time. If you ask me if I think he's a tremendous talent evaluator my answer would be **** yes. That still doesn't make him a great gameday coach.

And I was FAR removed from diapers in 2001.

 

[JHallCanes]

Butch is the cure 4 dis ebola U.

I think it's only natural after three disasterous hires in a row that Canes fans feel like a tried a true Miami guy like Butch is the answer. I don't think anyone thought it could get worse after Radio, but it did. It may be a bit pussified in the approach, but ****, it's hard to ignore.