DMoney, LuCanes, Ariz

[Jedi Master Cane]

I think East Carolina's head coach Ruffin McNeil is the real deal. He put together a team from nothing. East Carolina hung up 70 on North Carolina and beat VT in Blacksburg the week before. Have you guys seen those athletes he has, especially on offense? No he's not proven, but he has something special brewing at that school. Watch how that guy lands a big time job after this season. If Al gets the axe, the AD should give this guy a look...

So did Golden. Next.

That myth needs to be displaced already. Go back to that now famous "9 win" season Golden had at Temple and actually analyze the schedule. He played 2 good teams that year and they got destroyed. His best win came over one of the Armed Forces.

It's a throne of lies and not a good comparison point. I'm not saying I'd want the guy here as the successor but you can't compare anything Golden did to the East Carolina staff.

 

[HurricaneU]

Good to see a sense of humor about the situation. Even if it is gallows humor.

Seriously, bring in Butch. Sign him to a 3 to 4 year deal. Keep Coley. Hire Dorsey as Assistant OC and QB Coach.

Give Kehoe a friendly farewell into the broadcast booth with Don Bailey.

Grab a solid Xs and Ox D coordinator and then stockpile young and ambitious recruiters for the individual positions.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

Good to see a sense of humor about the situation. Even if it is gallows humor.

Seriously, bring in Butch. Sign him to a 3 to 4 year deal. Keep Coley. Hire Dorsey as Assistant OC and QB Coach.

Give Kehoe a friendly farewell into the broadcast booth with Don Bailey.

Grab a solid Xs and Ox D coordinator and then stockpile young and ambitious recruiters for the individual positions.

Keep Coley??????

Dude, that was a typo.....an oversight......something right? He's one of the worst OC's in the country. I don't care how good a recruiter he is, if he was retained I'd officially give up on this program.

 

[88]

I personally witnessed the Butch era.

Great evaluator of talent...and not a bad teacher, at least when it comes to the defensive side of the ball. With that being said, some of you don't remember how conservative he was and how much criticism he took as a gameday coach. Sound familiar?

I'm not ruling out the fact that he has learned from some of his mistakes and possibly improved, but I'll continue saying he wouldn't be my first choice. If we're going to go the somewhat conservative, defensive-minded, tough guy route I'd take Schiano before I take Butch.

What has Schiano accomplished that leads you to believe he's an upgrade over Butch?

 

[TexasCane90]

I would kill for Charlie Strong to be here if Texas never hired him....

but i can see us looking at pruitt, or even that guy hudspeth whose coaching some Louisiana-Lafayette i think who they say is the next "big thing"

 

[reef1515]

where does the 10 mill to buyout his contract come from?
You think he resigns and leaves that money on table?
The only firing will be Coach D. If that sadly .

 

[bobbydigius]

I would kill for Charlie Strong to be here if Texas never hired him....

but i can see us looking at pruitt, or even that guy hudspeth whose coaching some Louisiana-Lafayette i think who they say is the next "big thing"

I like Pruitt, dude came out of nowhere and is a creative coaching mind. That dude was a beast at making halftime adjustments last year at FSU.....

 

[BigDikCane]

What about Genron?

 

[rascani]

where does the 10 mill to buyout his contract come from?
You think he resigns and leaves that money on table?
The only firing will be Coach D. If that sadly .

He's making more than 2 million per season and he's got 5 years left on his deal. That's probably where people are getting 10 million from. His buyout might be less than his salary, but I doubt anyone around here knows the details.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

I personally witnessed the Butch era.

Great evaluator of talent...and not a bad teacher, at least when it comes to the defensive side of the ball. With that being said, some of you don't remember how conservative he was and how much criticism he took as a gameday coach. Sound familiar?

I'm not ruling out the fact that he has learned from some of his mistakes and possibly improved, but I'll continue saying he wouldn't be my first choice. If we're going to go the somewhat conservative, defensive-minded, tough guy route I'd take Schiano before I take Butch.

What has Schiano accomplished that leads you to believe he's an upgrade over Butch?

I see a hungrier guy in Schiano to be honest...and in many ways they are similar so I'm simply saying Schiano is a slightly better version of Butch. Schiano's teams tend to be very tough minded and I think he would absolutely kill it in recruiting down here (so would Butch probably).

Schiano strikes me as slightly more aggressive. His defenses blitz a little more. I also think his recent stint in the pros gives him an advantage over Butch who is longer removed.

Schiano wouldn't be my first choice either, I was simply stating if I had to choose between those two I'd take Schiano.

I want an offensive minded guy, I've been saying it for over a year already.

 

[Hurracanes]

I would love a NFL guy that is an expert on Defense. Miami's D has always been the common denominator in all of our success.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

I would love a NFL guy that is an expert on Defense. Miami's D has always been the common denominator in all of our success.

Yeah but we also won championships with Dennis Erickson and Coker as our head coaches...both of whom are offensive guys.

My point is you don't need a defensive head coach to be a good defensive team. I'm a much bigger fan of a formula involving an offensive HC with a solid DC under him.

 

[JHallCanes]

I don't think most people think Butch is the end all be all of coaches. Not at all. But I think when you factor in the type of hires we've made, the faith in the administration to be aggressive, things like that, I think Butch suddenly becomes a savior here. We don't need someone to build this team from the ground up again. The talent is there. Sure, I want a young and upcoming X and O guy too, but I'm not even sure I can wrap my mind around that idea. Maybe I'm wrong in thinking that way but I think Butch shoots to the top of the list when we want to get realistic.

Its too bad too because I think this is a very attractive job to a lot of aspiring coaches.

 

[Ispyin]

where does the 10 mill to buyout his contract come from?
You think he resigns and leaves that money on table?
The only firing will be Coach D. If that sadly .

He's making more than 2 million per season and he's got 5 years left on his deal. That's probably where people are getting 10 million from. His buyout might be less than his salary, but I doubt anyone around here knows the details.

no buyout equals the full contract. If it did, there would be no need to negotiate a buyout number now would there? Hmmm

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

I don't think most people think Butch is the end all be all of coaches. Not at all. But I think when you factor in the type of hires we've made, the faith in the administration to be aggressive, things like that, I think Butch suddenly becomes a savior here. We don't need someone to build this team from the ground up again. The talent is there. Sure, I want a young and upcoming X and O guy too, but I'm not even sure I can wrap my mind around that idea. Maybe I'm wrong in thinking that way but I think Butch shoots to the top of the list when we want to get realistic.

Its too bad too because I think this is a very attractive job to a lot of aspiring coaches.

I understand the thinking behind the Butch thing....it's the reason why I wouldn't hate the hire on the level I hated the Shannon hire, when it happened.

But I'll just say this. College football has changed a TON since Butch was here. Everyone recruits well now. Everyone has talent. No stone is left unturned by ANYONE. There is something to be said for having a good tactician as your head man. I firmly believe we need a guy who can organize/oversee solid schemes on both sides of the ball.

I just really believe people have conveniently forgotten how much Butch left to be desired on gamedays.

 

[Kirijax]

I think there is a real similarity between UM and CIS.

UM is constantly trying to show the rest of the country that it's a different program now. One that has turned over a new leaf. Not only do they not want anyone acting in 2014 like it's the 80's/90's they don't even want to acknowledge the existence of that era. And to do this they've tried to incrementally neuter the program while trying to impress and seeking the approval of other schools. What UM doesn't realize is that there will never come a point where they've degraded their capabilities (short of disbanding the program) enough that the other schools will forgive the 80's and treat UM as an equal. Miami is the nerdy kid who thinks that because he got a laugh out of the jocks by eating a bug once, that if he eats enough bugs eventually they'll accept him as one of their own.

CIS desperately wants to show UM it's a different site now. The WEZ has been cast off, they've got Aziz and the rest of the kids out there reporting stories, they're legitimate. So they tolerate at much dissent as they can, but in the back of their minds they hold out hope that if they lay off of Golden, UM will suddenly treat them like a legitimate website.

Huh? This isn't a legitimate website? Well throw me nude on a wrecking ball and call me Miley. Looks legit to me.

 

[HurricaneU]

Good to see a sense of humor about the situation. Even if it is gallows humor.

Seriously, bring in Butch. Sign him to a 3 to 4 year deal. Keep Coley. Hire Dorsey as Assistant OC and QB Coach.

Give Kehoe a friendly farewell into the broadcast booth with Don Bailey.

Grab a solid Xs and Ox D coordinator and then stockpile young and ambitious recruiters for the individual positions.

Keep Coley??????

Dude, that was a typo.....an oversight......something right? He's one of the worst OC's in the country. I don't care how good a recruiter he is, if he was retained I'd officially give up on this program.

I think there has been improvement. He is a great recruiter and my hypotheses is under a more proven and experienced head coach like Butch, he would perform much better. Having said that, if he is dropped it wouldn't break my heart assuming we bring in an experienced coordinator.

 

[pb5cane]

I personally witnessed the Butch era.

Great evaluator of talent...and not a bad teacher, at least when it comes to the defensive side of the ball. With that being said, some of you don't remember how conservative he was and how much criticism he took as a gameday coach. Sound familiar?

I'm not ruling out the fact that he has learned from some of his mistakes and possibly improved, but I'll continue saying he wouldn't be my first choice. If we're going to go the somewhat conservative, defensive-minded, tough guy route I'd take Schiano before I take Butch.

I think he learned gameday lessons. UNC owned and out coached us the whole time he was there.

I can't agree with that line of thinking. You're basically saying he's improved cause he outwitted OUR coaches.

Our last 3 coaches, in order - Coker, Shannon, and Golden.

About the only thing that makes Butch, from a comparative standpoint, is a prettier fat girl. Give me something else tangible cause that doesn't prove a thing.

I was actually agreeing with you and giving an example to support your theory. He made game day adjustments and logical game day decisions. Should he be considered? IMO yes but with a list of other candidates who understand the heritage and how to coach up the elite athletes we have access to.

 

[UMFarArcher]

I don't want Butch

Then you're one dumb siht.

WTF do you, sonny, know about Butch other than a few things you heard or read?

Every problem we have here at the U can be fixed by Butch Davis.

Every single one. I know you grew up during a decade long dry spell while coached by a bunch of amateurs, but trust me.

It is really, really exciting when you're playing for National Championships, year after year getting the top three recruiting classes, and are always pre-season ranked in the top ten.

****, Pete!

LOL...don't get mad brother, but I really don't want Butch either. Better said...I'd REALLY want to explore every other avenue before we come back to that.

I'm not mad.

Some coaches do very well in one location. They change locations, and they can't do siht. Steve Spurrier dominated when at Florida, but at best is just 'good,' at USC.

All football has coaches who really were rocking, went to bigger or better jobs, and couldn't do siht. They didn't FIT. It is SO hard for a really good coach to mesh with a locale. So hard to find a coach that rocks the recruiting base near the school, fits the mindset and attitudes of those he recruits.

JJ was good at Oklahoma State, but ROCKED at Miami. Erickson was good at Washington State, but ROCKED at Miami. Butch ROCKED at Miami but was good at UNC. I guarantee, you can think of a dozen coaches who were great at one location, but tanked at the next job. FIT. Some coaches just FIT at some locations.

Butch Davis already 'meshes' with UM. He already KNOWS the Miami recruiting base, and KNOWS how to pick the nuggets out of the contenders. Knows how to get his players to self-start. Get the players to self-improve. Get the players ready for the NFL. Get the players DRAFTED. Get a National Championship team organized.

You want to roll the dice again. I swear to God, I don't understand the logic. You want flash and youth, when we've had flash and youth and they suked. Each was good at something before coaching here, but they failed at Head Coaching at MIAMI.

Butch FITS at Miami. And all the others one may mention, are guesses.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

I don't think most people think Butch is the end all be all of coaches. Not at all. But I think when you factor in the type of hires we've made, the faith in the administration to be aggressive, things like that, I think Butch suddenly becomes a savior here. We don't need someone to build this team from the ground up again. The talent is there. Sure, I want a young and upcoming X and O guy too, but I'm not even sure I can wrap my mind around that idea. Maybe I'm wrong in thinking that way but I think Butch shoots to the top of the list when we want to get realistic.

Its too bad too because I think this is a very attractive job to a lot of aspiring coaches.

My biggest reason for wanting Butch isn't recruiting. It's his ability to build an elite coaching staff with elite coordinators that develop talent at an almost unequaled rate.