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Culture problem at Miami ?

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Man I don’t know what you guys are talking about, our culture is awesome. Did you not see them turning up on the sidelines yesterday. We have the best sideline party in the nation and it’s not even close. It didn’t matter than a terrible MAC was pushing our **** in, we were turned up!!!!!
 
TemplarCane said:
USC changed their traditional offense and hired a young, up-and-coming OC in Graham Harell. Their 3rd string QB passed for nearly 400 yards and 3 TDs to beat #10 Utah this past Friday.

A ‘magic scheme’ won’t put The U in the CFP, but running an offense in spite of your weaknesses gets you a 17-12 home win over a lower-tier MAC team that lost 61-0 to Wisconsin a few weeks earlier.
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Yea agree in a way......I think Manny is incapable he made bad hires so he’s fuqed. You should not struggle vs CMU he just did and an Al Golden team wins by 21 at least
 
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Dude said:
You know Lane Kiffin is one of the few times recruiting like an animal didnt pay off. They were under sanctions though, limited roster size, but they were still churning out pros, but it wasnt Carroll anymore in terms of player development. Maybe I shouldnt even give credit to Kiffin, its no different than when Coker rode the coat tails of Butch Davis' greatest team ever assembled?
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That’s why I don’t trust the hire Kiffin parade
 
I agree we have a lot of great athletes on the field but I don’t see any leaders on the field. Someone getting on the other guys and calling them out. Coaches can only do so much. Some players need to step up and be leaders and help the younger guys on the field. Great Canes teams always had great leaders on the field and this is lacking.
 
Dwinstitles said:
We need elite players and the culture will improve simple

Its not rocket science
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Doesn’t do a **** bit of good to have elite players if you have garbage coaches trying to developer them...

Its been proven we have more talent than anyone else in the Coastal but we continue to get beat by schools whose recruiting classes are ranked 30-40 spots below ours on a yearly basis.

As long as the idiot we have in charge of athletics is in place who continues to hire guys that have zero HC experience we will continue to hang out around the middle of CFB...
 
Canestomp said:
Yup. Same here. The improvements from 2016 to 2017 we're great--I'm willing to give him twice that time to start turning the corner and showing he can do it at the next level of coaching.
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He had to suck at several places trying his hand at D cord before he learned enough to hit gold here at the position. Then we (blake and BOT) scrambled like ******* madmen to give him his first HC job to learn on the go when we literally could have had him guaranteed in a few to several years if we still wanted him.

Utterly ridiculous we have to potentially sit through years of growing pains needlessly, if we even get through them which is no gurantee.
 
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Dwinstitles said:
We need elite players and the culture will improve simple

Its not rocket science
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Exactly correct. And it has to be an elite skill position player...or preferable several of them simultaneously. A fluke recruiting haul.

Miami is never going to build a dominant roster and then wait for someone like Tua to show up and take it to a surreal level. We don't have the Saban mindset or the geography to have brute lines on both sides of the ball. Not from scratch, anyway. It has to be the other way around, for a Lamar Jackson type to surface and revitalize the program, bringing energy and national spotlight and other elites who want to be a part of it.

Freak head coaches are so few in number it's basically not worth discussing. That's the ultimate outlier. Lincoln Riley now has Jalen Hurts averaging a ridiculous 14.4 YPA, after Mayfield and Murray exceeded 11 YPA over full seasons in the same program.

Sure, we can keep searching for that type. Good plan. Meanwhile difference maker quarterbacks are available all the time.

USC's only heyday since the late '70s was accomplished with guys like Matt Leinart, Reggie Bush, Lendale White and Mike Williams all there at the same time. Those were ultra special collegians even if they didn't pan out fully in the pros. Carson Palmer preceded Leinart and gave USC (2002) its first breakthrough season in 20 years. That renewed aura is what allowed the subsequent recruiting to be rated so high. Since Pete Carroll departed, USC has been to only 2 top tier bowls -- one Rose Bowl and one Cotton Bowl. Both were with Sam Darnold at quarterback.

This is not exactly complicated stuff.

The Canes need something similar. Otherwise it's more of the same patch and pretend.

BTW, Alabama just stole an elite quarterback recruit from USC a few hours ago. It was a local kid from Mater Dei who had been a Trojan commitment for more than a year. Now very possibly the successor to Tua.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
Exactly correct. And it has to be an elite skill position player...or preferable several of them simultaneously. A fluke recruiting haul.

Miami is never going to build a dominant roster and then wait for someone like Tua to show up and take it to a surreal level. We don't have the Saban mindset or the geography to have brute lines on both sides of the ball. Not from scratch, anyway. It has to be the other way around, for a Lamar Jackson type to surface and revitalize the program, bringing energy and national spotlight and other elites who want to be a part of it.

Freak head coaches are so few in number it's basically not worth discussing. That's the ultimate outlier. Lincoln Riley now has Jalen Hurts averaging a ridiculous 14.4 YPA, after Mayfield and Murray exceeded 11 YPA over full seasons in the same program.

Sure, we can keep searching for that type. Good plan. Meanwhile difference maker quarterbacks are available all the time.

USC's only heyday since the late '70s was accomplished with guys like Matt Leinart, Reggie Bush, Lendale White and Mike Williams all there at the same time. Those were ultra special collegians even if they didn't pan out fully in the pros. Carson Palmer preceded Leinart and gave USC (2002) its first breakthrough season in 20 years. That renewed aura is what allowed the subsequent recruiting to be rated so high. Since Pete Carroll departed, USC has been to only 2 top tier bowls -- one Rose Bowl and one Cotton Bowl. Both were with Sam Darnold at quarterback.

This is not exactly complicated stuff.

The Canes need something similar. Otherwise it's more of the same patch and pretend.

BTW, Alabama just stole an elite quarterback recruit from USC a few hours ago. It was a local kid from Mater Dei who had been a Trojan commitment for more than a year. Now very possibly the successor to Tua.
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Bama the greatest run in the modern era, amazing to see as much as I hate those inbreds. Saban has to leave but notice all the best college are kkk types lol
 
I have an idea. Next year I want everyone to have their numbers stripped. Hardest workers and top performers over the course of offseason get first choice. UVA does this, they’ve had a significant culture change. They will also whoop our *** this year. Miami has too many players thinking they’re better than everyone. We are a perennial 7 win team. Reset the culture, remember the past but we can’t live in it. Reality is we are very far from returning. Takeaway the god**** chain until the team is ready, that should be a privilege, a 17-12 win against a Mac team doesn’t earn that. Stop praising the team after garbage wins, @Manny.

Manny needs to strip baker of play calling, he’s not Miami caliber. That’s a start in the right direction as far as the staff goes. Butch Barry needs to go, period. Enos needs to improve his play calling or go back to CMU as a QB coach. Staff has no experie
 
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Hard to keep this short and ima gonna be crucified anyway but here goes.

If Ya get a boatload of elite talent the kind that get bags u gonna do fine with almost any coach. We don’t abundantly get such talent here and haven’t for years.

We get a fair-share of near-elite performers and they care largely about their reps and careers and playing time and stature, less so for the Team Effort R E S U L T. “talented” RBs and receivers that don’t like to block or take a hard hit or a back-seat or some who don’t exactly go all out to prepare and practice and exercise and tackle hard and heartily and are soft mentally as well as physically in several ways, are the rule not exception.

Sure if we get lucky and with a soft schedule get a good W-L with high ranking, and those clinking gimmicks are part of fun times, its catch-on contagious and maybe feeds itself in a positive way. First sign of hard times its gone Poof. And feeds upon itself negatively.

Would Lombardi or Saban or Bear Bryant scare the daylights out of anyone that gets soft in any way, sure, but we not getting such coaches. The ones we do get are not likely in todays PC culture to change anyone’s mindset or stance or attitude short of the above unlikely (for Miami) circumstances. “Don’t tell me what to do %#$#$# (fill in slur or cuss word)” is the thought process and effort outcome from such attempts by an unproven HC without NC credentials or other Bear Bryant tuffness.

Manny has experiential and credential and other flaws, for sure, but the real of it is the “talent” ain’t team-effort-elite and not looking to care much no matter what coach or scheme or regimen is imposed.
 
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Yes we have culture problem. The kids on this team and that have been here for a few years don’t hate losing enough. Complaining about the fans and posting highlights 5 mins after losing games in blowouts. Coaches having no idea how to get the best out of there stars and not being able to coach up players.

Nobody here has the answer to fix it.
 
When a coach blames things like "culture" and "disease" it shows me that it's a cop out and a way for them to shift blame away from their incompetence/****** schemes to the players. It's essentially throwing kids under the bus. There have been plenty of coaches who in their 1st year turned a team around to having a winning record from a losing one the year before. Did those teams have a negative culture and disease problem as well or was it a matter of the coach being ******?
 
Manny continued our loser trend of hiring green, unproven, nincompoops in keys coaching positions.... filling positions with incompetent buddies is a sure recipe for disaster...
why are we then surprised at the results? Haven't we learned anything from the past 15 years.. if not, expect it to repeat.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
Exactly correct. And it has to be an elite skill position player...or preferable several of them simultaneously. A fluke recruiting haul.

Miami is never going to build a dominant roster and then wait for someone like Tua to show up and take it to a surreal level. We don't have the Saban mindset or the geography to have brute lines on both sides of the ball. Not from scratch, anyway. It has to be the other way around, for a Lamar Jackson type to surface and revitalize the program, bringing energy and national spotlight and other elites who want to be a part of it.

Freak head coaches are so few in number it's basically not worth discussing. That's the ultimate outlier. Lincoln Riley now has Jalen Hurts averaging a ridiculous 14.4 YPA, after Mayfield and Murray exceeded 11 YPA over full seasons in the same program.

Sure, we can keep searching for that type. Good plan. Meanwhile difference maker quarterbacks are available all the time.

USC's only heyday since the late '70s was accomplished with guys like Matt Leinart, Reggie Bush, Lendale White and Mike Williams all there at the same time. Those were ultra special collegians even if they didn't pan out fully in the pros. Carson Palmer preceded Leinart and gave USC (2002) its first breakthrough season in 20 years. That renewed aura is what allowed the subsequent recruiting to be rated so high. Since Pete Carroll departed, USC has been to only 2 top tier bowls -- one Rose Bowl and one Cotton Bowl. Both were with Sam Darnold at quarterback.

This is not exactly complicated stuff.

The Canes need something similar. Otherwise it's more of the same patch and pretend.

BTW, Alabama just stole an elite quarterback recruit from USC a few hours ago. It was a local kid from Mater Dei who had been a Trojan commitment for more than a year. Now very possibly the successor to Tua.
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USC had those glory years because they were apparently paying elite recruits (via their parents) significant amounts of $$ (see the R. Bush case as Exhibit A). Old Petey dodged town to coach in the NFL as soon as he felt the hammer looming. It's the Bags!! Bags make a huge difference. That's why you're seeing the same dirty powerhouses contend perenially (it's becoming boring actually). Yes, coaching matters. Yes, scheme matters. But ultimately the key determinant in CFB is recruiting (and therefore Bags). Coaches only have so much time to coach 'em up in CFB.

That being said, I do see teams with far less talent competing effectively with us. That is coaching & culture. We have enough talent (except on OL) to be a very good CFB team. OL play, PK & special teams are really hampering us (especially OL). OL recruiting has to be a HUGE point of emphasis going forward.
 
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