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filmcane said:
We have no idea what private conversations are going on between Manny and the administration, but if I were Manny, I'd be working with the administration on a graceful way to go ahead and step down. For instance, I would be fine with an Oregeron scenario where they announce that Manny and UM have come to an amicable parting, but Manny will be allowed to coach out at the regular season.

I'd like for UM to do the obvious and announce they have parted ways with Manny and one of the assistants will coach the rest of the way, however, if they went public with Manny leaving, but allowed him to finish out these last two games, I could suppress the gag reflex and let him finish out, with the knowledge that his parting is now public.
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This. I am hoping this isnt a money thing because its lame to have him around for two more games if its over $$$ knowing you are going to can the guy. Just end it so everyone can move on. Maybe there was a gentlemens agreement that he would coach this final game for the Sr class and after that they would announce the seperation. To have this guy "Dead Man Walking" around Hecht? Has to be a better way. And not for Mannys sake...for the sake of closure so everyone can officially move on.
 
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Cane6 said:
I just want to punch the faces of everyone arguing that Oregon is materially better than Miami and has more resources.

My key point being look at their history of hiring and retaining (or lack there of) quality coaches.

The same argument being used against Miami and spending (essentially prove it to me) I’d say the same thing for Oregon

No doubt Phil Knight has dumped money into Oregon sports, but it’s 100% for marketing and brand awareness. Hence why they are middle of the road for paying coaches
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Everyone seems to forget that the Oregon coach prior to Cristobal left them for his "dream job" which happened to be a dumpster fire in Tallahassee. I guess UM "fans" must think FSU HC is a much better job than Oregon HC, which would explain why Taggart would leave all that Nike money for a sub .500 FSU.
 
I get the Taggart comparisons and why it keeps getting brought up but keep in mind Taggart was literally the HC at UO for less than 365 days. He also went 7-5. He hadn’t been there for 4+ years, built a conference champion, and gotten an opportunity to get one single class of his there let alone 4+ like Mario. It’s quite the different situations we are trying to compare here IMO.

Much easier for Taggart to chunk the deuce at that point than it will be for Mario and his situation.
 
htownkidd said:
I get the Taggart comparisons and why it keeps getting brought up but keep in mind Taggart was literally the HC at UO for less than 365 days. He also went 7-5. He hadn’t been there for 4+ years, built a conference champion, and gotten an opportunity to get one single class of his there let alone 4+ like Mario. It’s quite the different situations we are trying to compare here IMO.

Much easier for Taggart to chunk the deuce at that point than it will be for Mario and his situation.
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All of what you say is true. On the other hand, it does address the "Phil Knight will just write a blank check for coaches, facilities, and recruits" myth that always seems to explain why nobody in their right mind would want to leave Oregon.

Whatever "good feelings" and "sense of accomplishment" Mario will get from winning a ring at Oregon, we have to know that it would be 10x as profound for him if he could do it for his alma mater in front of his hometown.
 
htownkidd said:
I get the Taggart comparisons and why it keeps getting brought up but keep in mind Taggart was literally the HC at UO for less than 365 days. He also went 7-5. He hadn’t been there for 4+ years, built a conference champion, and gotten an opportunity to get one single class of his there let alone 4+ like Mario. It’s quite the different situations we are trying to compare here IMO.

Much easier for Taggart to chunk the deuce at that point than it will be for Mario and his situation.
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True, but if it were solely about the resources and facilities, etc. Taggart would have known he was better set at Oregon than FSU, especially after the prior coach left them for supposedly their lack of commitment to those very things.
 
Salt said:
True, but if it were solely about the resources and facilities, etc. Taggart would have known he was better set at Oregon than FSU, especially after the prior coach left them for supposedly their lack of commitment to those very things.
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Was Taggart eased out in favor of Cristobal?
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
You are 100% correct.

While we have some very bright/connected posters, this board also features some of the dumbest, most reactionary, most uninformed fans on any sports website. And those people tend to be loud. And those people will crap all over posters with valid information (particularly if you are not 100% right every single time) and then post any random "report" from any random website or social media account as if those "reports" are more reliable than CIS posters with connections and knowledge.

This entire thread is filled with the same defective "if we did it once and it didn't work, we can never do it again" illogic, not to mention the "nobody with any Miami connection can ever be hired" stupidity. Good lord, if Nick Saban was a UM alum, you'd still have a vocal group screaming for a "national search".

Cribby, you can be a witness...you and I PM'd weeks ago, and I gave you the name of a couple of BOT guys who would likely be taking the lead if UM (collectively) decided to make a change...and you can tell these "I don't think anything is actually happening until I read it in a Barry Jackson article" dopes that one of the names I cited is now being identified in lots of news reports...and before I mentioned it to you and Spike and a few others, almost nobody mentioned this guy's name on this board...

Look, in an ideal "Sam Jankovich" world, we would NEVER need a national search (for a head coach). We would have an AD who stays on top of all the best candidates, and has a list of names "in his back pocket" as Sam always did. And what is REALLY needed, by an AD or anyone else responsible for these hirings, is a moderate amount of open-mindedness and a pre-existing profile of who we should be hiring. Manny may be a nice guy, but it doesn't make logical sense to go from a head coach with 18 years of head coaching experience...to a guy with 18 days of head coaching experience. And that decision has NOTHING to do with hiring a search firm, it has everything to do with Beta Blake NOT recognizing the attributes that Richt brought to the job (which exceeded the attributes that Shannon/Golden brought) and then locking in on only ONE guy (that he liked) with no prior head coaching experience.

Unfortunately, we have a bunch of dopey fans who only focus on resume, rather than the combination of resume, accomplishments, presentation (of ideas/plans/goals), and personal attributes. We have fans who cannot fathom how certain coaching candidates have serious background/behavioral issues which will be disqualifiers for their hiring. Good lord, we had a thread about hiring Orgeron, who was actually fired by Miami for alcoholism and violence against a woman. Not fired by another school. BY MIAMI. I like Coach Orgeron, but he's never getting a job at UM ever again, at any level.

We have posters who think that a "national search" will somehow uncover hidden coaching gems. We need to deal with reality. Outside of Saban-Swinney-Meyer (and maybe Jimbo), we are not going to identify any other coaches who have succeeded on the P5 level without SOME form of failure. Bad losses. Prior firings. Inability to dominate even at a P5 conference level. So we have to find someone who has learned from past mistakes and is hungry (and grateful) for the chance to re-prove himself at a (formerly) great football school with a legitimate chance to win more national championships. It still boggles the mind as to how many of our dopey porsters will swear that we MUST hire Kiffin (because, you know, FAU/Ole Miss) while they continue to rip Mario for, you know, FIU.

Plenty of great national-championship-winning coaches were hired without "national searches". Dabo Swinney was Clemson's WIDE RECEIVERS COACH. Alabama (and LSU) didn't do "national searches" before hiring Nick Saban. Same with Urban Meyer. Jimbo's last couple of employers were focused on him to the exclusion of everyone else. But our fans are obsessing over Mario's diploma and a ****ty first head coaching job at FI-*******-U.

Quite frankly, we should be **** happy and lucky to be able to hire Mario without having an AD-in-office like Sam Jankovich. If Sam Jankovich were alive today, you know that Mario's name would be on the list in his back pocket. But some of our crazy fans would still find reasons to nitpick.

Ridiculous.
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Nice post and welcome back..
 
ThomasM said:
I remember a time when Chip Kelly was winning big at Oregon as well. Where is he now? What makes Mario right for Miami? Does his system fit Miami talent, or will he spend 3-4 years trying to pound a square peg into a round hole? We are not Oregon. South Florida has skill position talent unlike any region in the country, and I want a coach that can max that potential out to the fullest. Is that Mario? I don't see it.
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Ok you convinced me. What would a guy who coaches at Oregon know about the Miami program, South Florida kids, and what it takes to win down here?

Crossing Cristobal off my list.
 
hoops156 said:
which booster cares enough to donate their PJ? also, lets hold off on that attorney who may or may. not be in some Miami scam
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LOL. This is so message board. Now the attorney is suddenly in a scam because his company is being acquired by a SPAC? You realize almost every major VC, PE, and hedge fund are involved in SPAC's, right?
 
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Cryptical Envelopment said:
Ok you convinced me. What would a guy who coaches at Oregon know about the Miami program, South Florida kids, and what it takes to win down here?

Crossing Cristobal off my list.
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LoL, good for you. As if the guy is not smart enough to understand, what type of skill set is in South Florida nor understand what it would take to win the conference. I get why he wants to run the ball and play good defense and special teams. It is an element you need once you get into the playoff system. Finesse teams like Oklahoma get beaten like a drum. Even last year, Alabama was a 50/50 team. Of course, if I was throwing to Smith, Waddle and Metchie, I tossed it just about every down.
 
TemplarCane said:
Replace ‘interview‘ with ‘negotiate’ and everyone gets along.

And, the NFL is different animal as rarely is an employed NFL HC hired away from another team. HCs are pulled from the pool of fired coaches, maybe retired coaches, from the pool of coordinators/assistants, and occasionally college HCs.
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Even some of those NFL interviews are bull****. Half the teams know who their guy is before and are only required to give interviews because of the Rooney rule.
 
Cane6 said:
I just want to punch the faces of everyone arguing that Oregon is materially better than Miami and has more resources.

My key point being look at their history of hiring and retaining (or lack there of) quality coaches.

The same argument being used against Miami and spending (essentially prove it to me) I’d say the same thing for Oregon

No doubt Phil Knight has dumped money into Oregon sports, but it’s 100% for marketing and brand awareness. Hence why they are middle of the road for paying coaches
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KInight literally pays Mario $1M out of his pocket each year. Stop.
 
TimeBum said:
Everyone seems to forget that the Oregon coach prior to Cristobal left them for his "dream job" which happened to be a dumpster fire in Tallahassee. I guess UM "fans" must think FSU HC is a much better job than Oregon HC, which would explain why Taggart would leave all that Nike money for a sub .500 FSU.
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Yes because Willie Taggart is our North Star of behavioral logic. He probably couldn't get laid in Eugene and wanted some FAMU ***.
 
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