Coaching search update

[Klamalama]

1.Herman
2.Butch
3.Strong
4.Chud
5.Hue Jackson

Don't care which one we get but hopefully one of the 5

Tier I
Chip - Just call and get a no
Patterson - Just call and get a no
Gundy- Just call and get a no
Pinkel - Just call and get a no

Tier II
Fuente
Herman
Brohm
Babers
Morris

Tier III
Butch
Meacham
Strong
Kirby Smart

I would take Butch as HC and Meacham COHC OC HCIW

If Butch were to covet an OC the caliber of Meachem who would bring that type of up-tempo, high octane offense to Miami, then it would dispel my biggest worries about him and I'd be fully on board. But that goes against Butch's highly conservative/vanilla track record offensively, so I'm not holding my breath.

Hearing Dorsey as the potential OC, even though it's the next logical progression in his young coaching career, doesn't have me excited. I want our offense to be able to capitalize on our greatest built-in advantage with a dynamic spread that can light up the scoreboard with speed/RAC on the outside/slot and power in the running game. Maximize the amount of opportunities we have to get the ball into the hands of South Florida skill talent every single game. Seeing some call all variations of the spread "gimmicks" in 2015 makes my head explode.

Maybe that's what Dorsey would plan to bring here, but that's obviously an unknown.

One of the scariest things about Dorsey is that his mentor is Stoola. Stoola is one of the dullest, blandest, low-octane OCs in the history of football. Dorsey hasn't been exposed to any high-octane offensive coaches so I doubt he'd suddenly become Meacham Jr. What you'd see from him is what he's been taught--Cud/Stoola.

Agree on Shula being a dolt, but where is it documented that he's KD's mentor? A wise man learns from those around him: what to do; and what NOT to do. KD has shown that he's a pretty smart guy. Bottom line, I'll trust Butch's judgement. He knows far more, and has proven experience. Although I don't believe he'll want KD as an OC, but as a QB coach.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

butch butch and butch

Chip, Chip, Chip...and if he says no.....try again.

After the 47th no...then maybe Butch.

I'm sorry...but there's no comparison between those two. Butch has been unemployed for a while now...he'll wait another couple months. The administration HAS to wait this thing out and see what happens with the Eagles.

dont drink that sauce when butch beasts here jus sayin

I'm not 100% saying Butch wouldn't work...I'm just not anywhere near as high on him as most of you. His management style takes time...and the man is something like 63 years old. He can definitely build a team but his impact isn't felt on gameday....hence the longer turnaround time.

He's also a defensive coach and as I mentioned in another thread I'm just a believer that it's time to move away from defensive head coaches in general. The game has changed...I want an offensive mind.

 

[UMFarArcher]

I want Butch badly, but if UM is going to slow play him AGAIN, then I hope he takes another competing gig where he can do his thing.

UM has a decade and a half record of shooting itself in the head.

He already did that once before and couldn't even win the Coastal.

He was whipping UM's ***. Three out of four.

Maybe he could do it again.

Winning 8 games a year and beating Randy Shannon isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

With UNC talent it is.

 

[Cribby]

I want Butch badly, but if UM is going to slow play him AGAIN, then I hope he takes another competing gig where he can do his thing.

UM has a decade and a half record of shooting itself in the head.

He already did that once before and couldn't even win the Coastal.

He was whipping UM's ***. Three out of four.

Maybe he could do it again.

Winning 8 games a year and beating Randy Shannon isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

With UNC talent it is.

They arguably had the best talent in the coastal

 

[DiegoCane]

I want Butch badly, but if UM is going to slow play him AGAIN, then I hope he takes another competing gig where he can do his thing.

UM has a decade and a half record of shooting itself in the head.

He already did that once before and couldn't even win the Coastal.

He was whipping UM's ***. Three out of four.

Maybe he could do it again.

Winning 8 games a year and beating Randy Shannon isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

With UNC talent it is.

FWIW, Mack Brown won 10 games there 4 times

 

[nycane]

He already did that once before and couldn't even win the Coastal.

He was whipping UM's ***. Three out of four.

Maybe he could do it again.

Winning 8 games a year and beating Randy Shannon isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

With UNC talent it is.

FWIW, Mack Brown won 10 games there 4 times

before VA Tech was there. the conference back them was a huge joke. not to knock what he did but butch
inherited a mess and was on the verge. the year he left was the year they were suppose to take off.

 

[UMFarArcher]

He already did that once before and couldn't even win the Coastal.

He was whipping UM's ***. Three out of four.

Maybe he could do it again.

Winning 8 games a year and beating Randy Shannon isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

With UNC talent it is.

They arguably had the best talent in the coastal

It's no good when it's been suspended.

 

[bmonta]

Schiano was spotted having dinner last night in Islamorada having dinner with Jimmy Johnson.

 

[nycane]

Schiano was spotted having dinner last night in Islamorada having dinner with Jimmy Johnson.

everyone knows his agent reached out right away. like i said, i know a donor at rutgers. they want him back. not sure if maybe he would use
um for leverage. rutgers is a state school, can pay alot

 

[Canezum5]

Whoever mentioned lane kiffin can go jump on a bed of nails. Thanks

 

[KevinCaneFace]

He already did that once before and couldn't even win the Coastal.

He was whipping UM's ***. Three out of four.

Maybe he could do it again.

Winning 8 games a year and beating Randy Shannon isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

With UNC talent it is.

FWIW, Mack Brown won 10 games there 4 times

No, Mack won 10 games there twice in 11 years and it took him five years to get his first. Butch only had three legitimate years at UNC. Tough to judge him on that

 

[rsa coral gables]

You guys needs to stop saying Charlie had no connections to high schools in Texas. You don't think he didn't get the lay of land and introduced to the power brokers when he got there?

Here is an article on how Charlie makes impressions to high school coaches
College Football - Charlie Strong's poor performance, Texas Takeaways - Travis Haney Blog - ESPN

I read another article where the coach talked about how Charlie went straight to the kid on social media and didn't involve the high school coach. I don't have the link, but it goes to show Charlie doesn't impress Texas high school coaches and that is why he does not get players. He may be able to recruit south Florida well but he will need to get out of state kids to win anywhere and yes even Miami.

He doesn't impress them b/c he was a big fish in the little pond coach, and his first season taking over an 8 win squad was an absolute **** show. It proves the point that recruiting ability ain't **** compared to winning.

If you were a HS player in Texas right now, would you want to play for the undefeated teams in your area, or the team whose coach in year 2 is so miserably bad that he may get fired already?

Agree, and Strong trashed the current team and kicked a bunch of them off the team. Charlie absolutely shows no respect to those coaches and he won't get their players. He doesn't take the clinic seriously, kicks off players, bad mouths the talent, sets his priority on recruiting the "Florida five" and he doesn't try and build relationships with the coaches.

Which means Strong isnt with the Texas club house bs.... You say all this **** about who's *** he won't kiss in Texas like that means his entire career as a successful Coach as a DC and HC should be completely thrown out bc of it??

It means Charlie can't build relationship which is needed to recruit some players, get boosters to donate and sell the program. Charlie would make a great DC, but 3 years at UL where Charlie Strong and Clint Hurt used the firing of Randy Shannon and hiring of a white coach as their recruitment pitch to south Florida talent.

you forgot about the money factor also

 

[westcoastcanes]

Your suggestion is to pair a first time OC with a defensive minded coach? How does this help us on offense?

Dorsey is a rising star. Cam Newton is the talk of the NFL and he is playing smart. Offensive coordinator at a big school is the logical next step for him. The fit with Kaaya is obvious.

I, as a Carolina panther fan and Miami hurricanes fan, love the talk about Ken Dorsey as an offensive coordinator.

however what people don’t seem to realize is the stats on cam newton, even though he’s an mvp candidate because we’re 7-0, he is playing very poorly and his stats are very similar to Kaepernick who just got benched

Newton:
1523 yards
54.2% completion pct
11 td
8 int
78.1 rating

Kaepernick
1615 yards
59.3% completion pct
6 td
5 int
78.8 rating


many see cam as the most athletically gifted player in the NFL. As a panther fan, i’ve been very disappointed in how Dorsey and Shula have utilized him this season and I do NOT think that Dorsey should be an OC

Is he really an mvp candidate outside his own fanbase? Is he even top ten at his position this year, let alone in the league over all positions?

 

[Southcane]

Your suggestion is to pair a first time OC with a defensive minded coach? How does this help us on offense?

Dorsey is a rising star. Cam Newton is the talk of the NFL and he is playing smart. Offensive coordinator at a big school is the logical next step for him. The fit with Kaaya is obvious.

I, as a Carolina panther fan and Miami hurricanes fan, love the talk about Ken Dorsey as an offensive coordinator.

however what people don’t seem to realize is the stats on cam newton, even though he’s an mvp candidate because we’re 7-0, he is playing very poorly and his stats are very similar to Kaepernick who just got benched

Newton:
1523 yards
54.2% completion pct
11 td
8 int
78.1 rating

Kaepernick
1615 yards
59.3% completion pct
6 td
5 int
78.8 rating


many see cam as the most athletically gifted player in the NFL. As a panther fan, i’ve been very disappointed in how Dorsey and Shula have utilized him this season and I do NOT think that Dorsey should be an OC

So you're blaming Newton poor QB performance on Dorsey? No role to OL play, OC play calling and schemes? I don't watch the Panthers play so I don't know much about their offense but I'm just questioning the impact of QB coach on the over all stats of QB's. To reverse the question, can a QB coach makes his QB performance top in the league while no help is provided by offensive play design and calling, OL play, RB help, great receivers and TE's?

 

[Dingaan1828]

He was whipping UM's ***. Three out of four.

Maybe he could do it again.

Winning 8 games a year and beating Randy Shannon isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

With UNC talent it is.

FWIW, Mack Brown won 10 games there 4 times

No, Mack won 10 games there twice in 11 years and it took him five years to get his first. Butch only had three legitimate years at UNC. Tough to judge him on that

Let me try it. Mack won 10 games 3 times in 10 years at UNC.

 

[01Canes]

Butch did ok at unc not great...his offenses were mediocre & the main reason was the Qb play...it wasn't very good Yates was very inconsistent

His defenses got better every year reaching #13 ranking & the next year is when a lot of the studs on his defense were suspended & they took a hit

But they were primed to make a run at the Acc ship & Bcs bowl.........

UNC wasn't going to make a run at jack s*** with that awful offense and John Shoop as their OC. The suspensions clearly hurt them, but they weren't going to make the leap with Shoop still running an unproductive, archaically outdated, conservative offense.

 

[L A M P]

FWIW, Mack Brown won 10 games there 4 times

No, Mack won 10 games there twice in 11 years and it took him five years to get his first. Butch only had three legitimate years at UNC. Tough to judge him on that

Let me try it. Mack won 10 games 3 times in 10 years at UNC.

Mack never even coached there 10 years or won 10 games in a season.

There is no spoon.

 

[Cribby]

I'm pretty sure Mack won 10 games at Unc 2-3 times

 

[CaneandAbel]

Your suggestion is to pair a first time OC with a defensive minded coach? How does this help us on offense?

Dorsey is a rising star. Cam Newton is the talk of the NFL and he is playing smart. Offensive coordinator at a big school is the logical next step for him. The fit with Kaaya is obvious.

I, as a Carolina panther fan and Miami hurricanes fan, love the talk about Ken Dorsey as an offensive coordinator.

however what people don’t seem to realize is the stats on cam newton, even though he’s an mvp candidate because we’re 7-0, he is playing very poorly and his stats are very similar to Kaepernick who just got benched

Newton:
1523 yards
54.2% completion pct
11 td
8 int
78.1 rating

Kaepernick
1615 yards
59.3% completion pct
6 td
5 int
78.8 rating


many see cam as the most athletically gifted player in the NFL. As a panther fan, i’ve been very disappointed in how Dorsey and Shula have utilized him this season and I do NOT think that Dorsey should be an OC

So you're blaming Newton poor QB performance on Dorsey? No role to OL play, OC play calling and schemes? I don't watch the Panthers play so I don't know much about their offense but I'm just questioning the impact of QB coach on the over all stats of QB's. To reverse the question, can a QB coach makes his QB performance top in the league while no help is provided by offensive play design and calling, OL play, RB help, great receivers and TE's?

If there was a NFC MVP he'd win it if the season ended today.

 

[KANE]

I'm pretty sure Mack won 10 games at Unc 2-3 times

He did. 1993, 96, & 97. In 96, he actually won 9, but the bowl game win, gave him the 10th win.