Coaching search update

[Dingaan1828]

Lol - Mack's worst seasons were before FSU joined the conference. Our joining did not make the conference tougher in any way.

 

[01Canes]

UNCs offense Butchs last season averaged > 25/game which is better than Memphis this season

Um...no.

Memphis is ranked 3rd in the country this year with 47.9 points per game. UNC's offense in Butch's last year was ranked 74th in PPG. They were awful.

 

[Al Foil]

Butch's problem was John Shoop.

The dude is terrible.

On January 24, 2013, Purdue University head football coach, Darrell Hazell hired Shoop to be the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach for the Boilermakers football team after taking a year off from coaching. Purdue's offensive struggled in 2013, as Purdue was shut out in back-to-back games for the first time in 60 years, and struggled to reach 300 yards of total offense on a weekly basis.

 

[MIATL]

UNCs offense Butchs last season averaged > 25/game which is better than Memphis this season

Huh?

Memphis averages 48 per game, and gives up 27 per game.

 

[Al Foil]

Butch's offense was #12 in the nation in his last year at Miami and #3 in 2000 (the year after he left).

He built a monster but it took a a few years.

 

[The Franchise]

I want Butch badly, but if UM is going to slow play him AGAIN, then I hope he takes another competing gig where he can do his thing.

UM has a decade and a half record of shooting itself in the head.

He already did that once before and couldn't even win the Coastal.

He was whipping UM's ***. Three out of four.

Maybe he could do it again.

Winning 8 games a year and beating Randy Shannon isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

With UNC talent it is.

LOL. Butch had the most talented roster in the ACC. The subsequent drafts proved that. You can't have it both ways, friend. You can't claim Butch is this roster building fiend (which I think he is too) and then bemoan UNC's talent level.

 

[The Franchise]

Butch's problem was John Shoop.

The dude is terrible.

On January 24, 2013, Purdue University head football coach, Darrell Hazell hired Shoop to be the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach for the Boilermakers football team after taking a year off from coaching. Purdue's offensive struggled in 2013, as Purdue was shut out in back-to-back games for the first time in 60 years, and struggled to reach 300 yards of total offense on a weekly basis.

How'd Shoop become OC at UNC?

 

[MarcoD70]

Butch's problem was John Shoop.

The dude is terrible.

On January 24, 2013, Purdue University head football coach, Darrell Hazell hired Shoop to be the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach for the Boilermakers football team after taking a year off from coaching. Purdue's offensive struggled in 2013, as Purdue was shut out in back-to-back games for the first time in 60 years, and struggled to reach 300 yards of total offense on a weekly basis.

How'd Shoop become OC at UNC?

I recall his time with the Bears...it was comical.

 

[Ssoto0055]

UNCs offense Butchs last season averaged > 25/game which is better than Memphis this season

Um...no.

Memphis is ranked 3rd in the country this year with 47.9 points per game. UNC's offense in Butch's last year was ranked 74th in PPG. They were awful.

That last season, they had a bunch of guys suspended. If you want to take a shot at Butch or say he's not as good as we want to believe then fine. Having said that, the school can make the coach. Dennis Erickson and Howard Schnellenberger have never been able to duplicate the success they found here.

 

[The Franchise]

UNCs offense Butchs last season averaged > 25/game which is better than Memphis this season

Um...no.

Memphis is ranked 3rd in the country this year with 47.9 points per game. UNC's offense in Butch's last year was ranked 74th in PPG. They were awful.

That last season, they had a bunch of guys suspended. If you want to take a shot at Butch or say he's not as good as we want to believe then fine. Having said that, the school can make the coach. Dennis Erickson and Howard Schnellenberger have never been able to duplicate the success they found here.

Everyone keeps harping on Butch's 1 season where he had guys suspended. He coached 4 years at UNC. And to simply assume he would have destroyed everyone in that season where he had guys suspended is a joke. You can't make that assumption.

 

[Cribby]

UNCs offense Butchs last season averaged > 25/game which is better than Memphis this season

Um...no.

Memphis is ranked 3rd in the country this year with 47.9 points per game. UNC's offense in Butch's last year was ranked 74th in PPG. They were awful.

That last season, they had a bunch of guys suspended. If you want to take a shot at Butch or say he's not as good as we want to believe then fine. Having said that, the school can make the coach. Dennis Erickson and Howard Schnellenberger have never been able to duplicate the success they found here.

Everyone keeps harping on Butch's 1 season where he had guys suspended. He coached 4 years at UNC. And to simply assume he would have destroyed everyone in that season where he had guys suspended is a joke. You can't make that assumption.

I swear that one year where players were suspended is held in the same regard as the '72 dolphins perfect season . That and the 2001 seasons are his bright spots in his resume .

Losing a game with the greatest roster ever and a "what if" year at unc. His legend has grown unlike anybody I've ever seen.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

Sorry, I couldn't get beyond the first page, after reading the summary of Cam Newton.

He is completing barely 54% of his passes, a career low. He has already thrown 8 interceptions, which is on pace for his worst season ever in that regard. He is averaging barely 7 yards per attempt, which is below the league average.

In short, he's nowhere in the conversation for player of the year. It would be beyond unprecedented for someone with those numbers to get a sniff at the award. The voters don't fall for hype based on a nice overtime victory in a game that rightfully should have been won much earlier.

With that defense and running game, Newton's production should be far greater than it is, since Carolina controls the tempo for the majority. Granted, he's missing Benjamin and his receiving corp is not much.

The problem with Cam Newton is that he has really regressed in terms of mechanics. In college he didn't resort to throwing so many passes off his back foot, with all his weight going backwards. Now it is a regular feature of his game. The analysts properly make a point of it every week, using slow motion replays. Vontae Davis dropped an interception last week when Newton absurdly leaned back on a deep ball and got absolutely nothing on it. Newton also throws far too many line drives when the situation calls for touch. That's another area his game has really dropped off, and it accounts for the lower completion percentage.

It's true he admirably raises his game in crunch time. He threw two touch passes in overtime on Monday night that he hadn't displayed all season. He also saved his best for last in the final two drives at Seattle to rescue that game.

I like Newton. A talent like that is always eligible to rebound. Right now he is a whispered disappointment in terms of where his passing skills are, compared to where he was previously and what he should be capable of.

I don't blame Dorsey for this. Newton has been trending downward for several years in terms of mechanics and touch. That's why he had plummeted way, way down the list in quarterback rankings entering this season. There were some prominent lists that had him into the high teens or low 20s. Now the team success, and the running prowess, obviously softens the criticism.

 

[The Franchise]

UNCs offense Butchs last season averaged > 25/game which is better than Memphis this season

Um...no.

Memphis is ranked 3rd in the country this year with 47.9 points per game. UNC's offense in Butch's last year was ranked 74th in PPG. They were awful.

That last season, they had a bunch of guys suspended. If you want to take a shot at Butch or say he's not as good as we want to believe then fine. Having said that, the school can make the coach. Dennis Erickson and Howard Schnellenberger have never been able to duplicate the success they found here.

Everyone keeps harping on Butch's 1 season where he had guys suspended. He coached 4 years at UNC. And to simply assume he would have destroyed everyone in that season where he had guys suspended is a joke. You can't make that assumption.

I swear that one year where players were suspended is held in the same regard as the '72 dolphins perfect season . That and the 2001 seasons are his bright spots in his resume .

Losing a game with the greatest roster ever and a "what if" year at unc. His legend has grown unlike anybody I've ever seen.

These dudes are setting themselves up for heartache with this Jim Jones cult their building around Butch. Butch is a good General. He's a phenomenal roster builder. But there are gaping holes in his game, and guys seem like they want to completely disregard his moribund stint at UNC. All they want to talk about is the "what ifs" with him instead of the actualities.

UM fans are so starved that we're romanticizing Butch to the point of absurdity.

 

[Cribby]

Sorry, I couldn't get beyond the first page, after reading the summary of Cam Newton.

He is completing barely 54% of his passes, a career low. He has already thrown 8 interceptions, which is on pace for his worst season ever in that regard. He is averaging barely 7 yards per attempt, which is below the league average.

In short, he's nowhere in the conversation for player of the year. It would be beyond unprecedented for someone with those numbers to get a sniff at the award. The voters don't fall for hype based on a nice overtime victory in a game that rightfully should have been won much earlier.

With that defense and running game, Newton's production should be far greater than it is, since Carolina controls the tempo for the majority. Granted, he's missing Benjamin and his receiving corp is not much.

The problem with Cam Newton is that he has really regressed in terms of mechanics. In college he didn't resort to throwing so many passes off his back foot, with all his weight going backwards. Now it is a regular feature of his game. The analysts properly make a point of it every week, using slow motion replays. Vontae Davis dropped an interception last week when Newton absurdly leaned back on a deep ball and got absolutely nothing on it. Newton also throws far too many line drives when the situation calls for touch. That's another area his game has really dropped off, and it accounts for the lower completion percentage.

It's true he admirably raises his game in crunch time. He threw two touch passes in overtime on Monday night that he hadn't displayed all season. He also saved his best for last in the final two drives at Seattle to rescue that game.

I like Newton. A talent like that is always eligible to rebound. Right now he is a whispered disappointment in terms of where his passing skills are, compared to where he was previously and what he should be capable of.

I don't blame Dorsey for this. Newton has been trending downward for several years in terms of mechanics and touch. That's why he had plummeted way, way down the list in quarterback rankings entering this season. There were some prominent lists that had him into the high teens or low 20s. Now the team success, and the running prowess, obviously softens the criticism.

Cams best number was with Chud, he thinks a lot of him as a coach.

 

[Dingaan1828]

Butch's offense was #12 in the nation in his last year at Miami and #3 in 2000 (the year after he left).

He built a monster but it took a a few years.

Butch coached Miami through 2000.

 

[UMFarArcher]

UNCs offense Butchs last season averaged > 25/game which is better than Memphis this season

Um...no.

Memphis is ranked 3rd in the country this year with 47.9 points per game. UNC's offense in Butch's last year was ranked 74th in PPG. They were awful.

That last season, they had a bunch of guys suspended. If you want to take a shot at Butch or say he's not as good as we want to believe then fine. Having said that, the school can make the coach. Dennis Erickson and Howard Schnellenberger have never been able to duplicate the success they found here.

Everyone keeps harping on Butch's 1 season where he had guys suspended. He coached 4 years at UNC. And to simply assume he would have destroyed everyone in that season where he had guys suspended is a joke. You can't make that assumption.

Unless one is simple minded - it works like this.

Take over a three-win team, start to recruit football players where no one really wants to play. You get a few, next year a few more, and you're coaching them up, and with some starting to become juniors or seniors, you really start to see the payoff.

THEN, a significant number of your starters are suspended.

You anti-Butch guys are not just stupid, you're intentionally stupid - and of the two, being intentionally stupid is just childish.

Sorry your punk-assed-no-body-of-work-coaching-choice isn't going to even get a sniff - but for the rest of the world, those who have paid their dues are usually selected over those who are still wet behind the ears.

Choke on it.

 

[CanesAreAble]

UNCs offense Butchs last season averaged > 25/game

25 ppg sucks

 

[Gatorhater]

If Butch were to covet an OC the caliber of Meachem who would bring that type of up-tempo, high octane offense to Miami, then it would dispel my biggest worries about him and I'd be fully on board. But that goes against Butch's highly conservative/vanilla track record offensively, so I'm not holding my breath.

Hearing Dorsey as the potential OC, even though it's the next logical progression in his young coaching career, doesn't have me excited. I want our offense to be able to capitalize on our greatest built-in advantage with a dynamic spread that can light up the scoreboard with speed/RAC on the outside/slot and power in the running game. Maximize the amount of opportunities we have to get the ball into the hands of South Florida skill talent every single game. Seeing some call all variations of the spread "gimmicks" in 2015 makes my head explode.

Maybe that's what Dorsey would plan to bring here, but that's obviously an unknown.

I assume your are referring to the over abundance of speedy athletes in So FL when you mentions "greatest built-in advantage". I agree that is our biggest advantage. Where we part company is your thought that it is best applied to the offense. We were built, conquered and dominated by load the defensive side of the ball first and foremost. Then the offense, which frequently got what was, my the Lord forgive me, the leftovers. Eddie Brown, maybe our greatest WR, was a DB. He was move to WR because of depth and need. Sapp was one of top TEs in country -- recruited to grow into classic quick footed Miami DT. Field an classic Miami fast defense unleashed with savage intents and your dynamic spreads will go the way of the once mighty option attacks.

Our Pro style offense took college football by storm but it was our defense that rained havoc on the landscape. Those spreads are designed for team without our type of available talent. You do that to "outscore" opponents you can't stop because of your lack of defensive speed. IF your spread can co-exist in an secondary spot to our old style defense then I am on board. But I have never seen the two go together. We can have the greatest defense in the country, one that nobody can duplicate. Everyone can have your "dynamic spread" offense. I'll take my chances with the one of a kind defense.

You know why I bolded so much of your post? Because it was all about things that happened 15 years ago.

You dismiss the "dynamic spread" offense even though Ohio State and Oregon beat the **** out of Alabama and Florida State's defenses, respectively, in the inaugural CFB playoff just one year ago with variations of the spread. They're not gimmicks. They're here to stay and will only evolve further beyond 2015.

This shouldn't be an either-or discussion. Both our offense and defense are irreparably broken and need to be fixed. The two teams that played in last year's championship game had elite offenses by every statistical measure. The old saying goes "defense wins championships," but you have no chance of playing for one in today's college football landscape without also having an offense that can light up the scoreboard.

2014 - Ohio State ranked 5th in points per game. The runner-up, Oregon, ranked 4th. Baylor and TCU had the highest-scoring offenses in the country and lost just one game apiece. Many felt they were hosed out of a playoff berth.
2013 - Florida State ranked 2nd in PPG
2010 - Auburn ranked 4th in PPG

Three of the last five national champions had elite, Top 5 scoring offenses. The outliers were Alabama in 2011-2012 with scoring offenses ranked 12th and 20th, respectively. Not elite, but still very good. Bama's defenses were dominant, but their offenses weren't liabilities by any means.

Wow, saying anything against the spread draws fire like daring to trash that ***** Donna. FSU runs more of a pro set. You are changing data streams like a politician - we are talking about spread offenses not HIGH scoring offense(Miami's last NC offense was great too but not a spread). Please note that the other two titles you claim came in games against OR, who can't beat anyone in an NC game. Also, OSU and Tigers the better defense each year.
So that leaves you two titles not three. OU slipped in a title one year with their wishbone even though we crushed there heads that year.

And you apparently still think it's 1980 by bringing up the wishbone.

You're here talking about Eddie Brown and Warren Sapp, rambling about old style defense, and trying to make a case that offense is somehow less important in a discussion about what's best for this program in 2015. There's no point in continuing this.

Good. I'm going to the casino shortly anyway. Listen, if you want to win and by win mean NCs, then we are in complete agreement. I didn't like Dennis' offence either, but two NCs shut my mouth back then. Of course he had Butch's recruits for that. So if we get Butch and he loads us up again, and some new age OC comes in and we win a NC, I am good with it.

 

[The Franchise]

Butch's offense was #12 in the nation in his last year at Miami and #3 in 2000 (the year after he left).

He built a monster but it took a a few years.

Butch coached Miami through 2000.

And those were VERY different times. There was virtually no such thing as the wide open spread back then. Football has changed dramatically since 2000.

 

[BALLHAWKU]

UNCs offense Butchs last season averaged > 25/game which is better than Memphis this season

Um...no.

Memphis is ranked 3rd in the country this year with 47.9 points per game. UNC's offense in Butch's last year was ranked 74th in PPG. They were awful.

That last season, they had a bunch of guys suspended. If you want to take a shot at Butch or say he's not as good as we want to believe then fine. Having said that, the school can make the coach. Dennis Erickson and Howard Schnellenberger have never been able to duplicate the success they found here.

This is spot on, if he had his players I think he wins the NC that year