Coaching search update

[KevinCaneFace]

He already did that once before and couldn't even win the Coastal.

He was whipping UM's ***. Three out of four.

Maybe he could do it again.

Winning 8 games a year and beating Randy Shannon isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

With UNC talent it is.

FWIW, Mack Brown won 10 games there 4 times

FWIW, Mack Brown won 10 games there 4 times

No, Mack won 10 games there twice in 11 years and it took him five years to get his first. Butch only had three legitimate years at UNC. Tough to judge him on that

Let me try it. Mack won 10 games 3 times in 10 years at UNC.

Mack never even coached there 10 years or won 10 games in a season.

There is no spoon.

Too be fair, I was right. He won ten games twice.........eleven once.

 

[Dingaan1828]

He was whipping UM's ***. Three out of four.

Maybe he could do it again.

Winning 8 games a year and beating Randy Shannon isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

With UNC talent it is.

FWIW, Mack Brown won 10 games there 4 times

FWIW, Mack Brown won 10 games there 4 times

No, Mack won 10 games there twice in 11 years and it took him five years to get his first. Butch only had three legitimate years at UNC. Tough to judge him on that

Let me try it. Mack won 10 games 3 times in 10 years at UNC.

Mack never even coached there 10 years or won 10 games in a season.

There is no spoon.

Too be fair, I was right. He won ten games twice.........eleven once.

Wrong. Carl Torbush coached them to the eleventh win.

 

[Notsince1985]

Winning 8 games a year and beating Randy Shannon isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

With UNC talent it is.

FWIW, Mack Brown won 10 games there 4 times

No, Mack won 10 games there twice in 11 years and it took him five years to get his first. Butch only had three legitimate years at UNC. Tough to judge him on that

Let me try it. Mack won 10 games 3 times in 10 years at UNC.

Mack never even coached there 10 years or won 10 games in a season.

There is no spoon.

Too be fair, I was right. He won ten games twice.........eleven once.

Wrong. Carl Torbush coached them to the eleventh win.

Do I have to everything around here?

1988: 1-10, 1-6
1989: 1-10, 0-7
1990: 6-4-1, 3-3-1
1991: 7-4, 3-4
1992: 9-3, 5-3 (Peach Bowl, #18 ranking)
1993: 10-3, 6-2 (Gator Bowl, #19 )
1994: 8-4, 5-3 (Sun, #21 )
1995: 7-5, 4-4 (Carquest)
1996: 10-2, 6-2 (Gator, #10 )
1997: 10-1, 7-1 (left for Texas before Gator Bowl with team ranked #5 )

 

[Dingaan1828]

Isn't that what I said? 10 games, 3 times in 10 years. And Torbush got the 11th win.

 

[Notsince1985]

Isn't that what I said? 10 games, 3 times in 10 years. And Torbush got the 11th win.

I said it better

 

[Gatorhater]

1.Herman
2.Butch
3.Strong
4.Chud
5.Hue Jackson

Don't care which one we get but hopefully one of the 5

Tier I
Chip - Just call and get a no
Patterson - Just call and get a no
Gundy- Just call and get a no
Pinkel - Just call and get a no

Tier II
Fuente
Herman
Brohm
Babers
Morris

Tier III
Butch
Meacham
Strong
Kirby Smart

I would take Butch as HC and Meacham COHC OC HCIW

If Butch were to covet an OC the caliber of Meachem who would bring that type of up-tempo, high octane offense to Miami, then it would dispel my biggest worries about him and I'd be fully on board. But that goes against Butch's highly conservative/vanilla track record offensively, so I'm not holding my breath.

Hearing Dorsey as the potential OC, even though it's the next logical progression in his young coaching career, doesn't have me excited. I want our offense to be able to capitalize on our greatest built-in advantage with a dynamic spread that can light up the scoreboard with speed/RAC on the outside/slot and power in the running game. Maximize the amount of opportunities we have to get the ball into the hands of South Florida skill talent every single game. Seeing some call all variations of the spread "gimmicks" in 2015 makes my head explode.

Maybe that's what Dorsey would plan to bring here, but that's obviously an unknown.

I assume your are referring to the over abundance of speedy athletes in So FL when you mentions "greatest built-in advantage". I agree that is our biggest advantage. Where we part company is your thought that it is best applied to the offense. We were built, conquered and dominated by load the defensive side of the ball first and foremost. Then the offense, which frequently got what was, my the Lord forgive me, the leftovers. Eddie Brown, maybe our greatest WR, was a DB. He was move to WR because of depth and need. Sapp was one of top TEs in country -- recruited to grow into classic quick footed Miami DT. Field an classic Miami fast defense unleashed with savage intents and your dynamic spreads will go the way of the once mighty option attacks.

Our Pro style offense took college football by storm but it was our defense that rained havoc on the landscape. Those spreads are designed for team without our type of available talent. You do that to "outscore" opponents you can't stop because of your lack of defensive speed. IF your spread can co-exist in an secondary spot to our old style defense then I am on board. But I have never seen the two go together. We can have the greatest defense in the country, one that nobody can duplicate. Everyone can have your "dynamic spread" offense. I'll take my chances with the one of a kind defense.

 

[Gatorhater]

LMFAO we seriously have a fan who said "I think being a black coach in South Florida would be an advantage".......

Oh Really?

I mean it's actually scary how dumb our fans are.

OK show me the faces of the top 50 dade players and their coaches. Um, um, um... You FN moron.

And I didn't say being black guaranteed success you FN moron.

Your opinions are literally the stupidest shiat I have ever heard. Just like your screen name. now it just means you like being ****ed on. Big surprise douchey. You cant read and you are so used to people defecating on you that now you proud of it. But I have to give you props because I have no idea how a homeless dude has constant access to the internet.

Democratic voter program -- free satellite internet.

 

[01Canes]

1.Herman
2.Butch
3.Strong
4.Chud
5.Hue Jackson

Don't care which one we get but hopefully one of the 5

Tier I
Chip - Just call and get a no
Patterson - Just call and get a no
Gundy- Just call and get a no
Pinkel - Just call and get a no

Tier II
Fuente
Herman
Brohm
Babers
Morris

Tier III
Butch
Meacham
Strong
Kirby Smart

I would take Butch as HC and Meacham COHC OC HCIW

If Butch were to covet an OC the caliber of Meachem who would bring that type of up-tempo, high octane offense to Miami, then it would dispel my biggest worries about him and I'd be fully on board. But that goes against Butch's highly conservative/vanilla track record offensively, so I'm not holding my breath.

Hearing Dorsey as the potential OC, even though it's the next logical progression in his young coaching career, doesn't have me excited. I want our offense to be able to capitalize on our greatest built-in advantage with a dynamic spread that can light up the scoreboard with speed/RAC on the outside/slot and power in the running game. Maximize the amount of opportunities we have to get the ball into the hands of South Florida skill talent every single game. Seeing some call all variations of the spread "gimmicks" in 2015 makes my head explode.

Maybe that's what Dorsey would plan to bring here, but that's obviously an unknown.

I assume your are referring to the over abundance of speedy athletes in So FL when you mentions "greatest built-in advantage". I agree that is our biggest advantage. Where we part company is your thought that it is best applied to the offense. We were built, conquered and dominated by load the defensive side of the ball first and foremost. Then the offense, which frequently got what was, my the Lord forgive me, the leftovers. Eddie Brown, maybe our greatest WR, was a DB. He was move to WR because of depth and need. Sapp was one of top TEs in country -- recruited to grow into classic quick footed Miami DT. Field an classic Miami fast defense unleashed with savage intents and your dynamic spreads will go the way of the once mighty option attacks.

Our Pro style offense took college football by storm but it was our defense that rained havoc on the landscape. Those spreads are designed for team without our type of available talent. You do that to "outscore" opponents you can't stop because of your lack of defensive speed. IF your spread can co-exist in an secondary spot to our old style defense then I am on board. But I have never seen the two go together. We can have the greatest defense in the country, one that nobody can duplicate. Everyone can have your "dynamic spread" offense. I'll take my chances with the one of a kind defense.

You know why I bolded so much of your post? Because it was all about things that happened 15 years ago.

You dismiss the "dynamic spread" offense even though Ohio State and Oregon beat the **** out of Alabama and Florida State's defenses, respectively, in the inaugural CFB playoff just one year ago with variations of the spread. They're not gimmicks. They're here to stay and will only evolve further beyond 2015.

This shouldn't be an either-or discussion. Both our offense and defense are irreparably broken and need to be fixed. The two teams that played in last year's championship game had elite offenses by every statistical measure. The old saying goes "defense wins championships," but you have no chance of playing for one in today's college football landscape without also having an offense that can light up the scoreboard.

2014 - Ohio State ranked 5th in points per game. The runner-up, Oregon, ranked 4th. Baylor and TCU had the highest-scoring offenses in the country and lost just one game apiece. Many felt they were hosed out of a playoff berth.
2013 - Florida State ranked 2nd in PPG
2010 - Auburn ranked 4th in PPG

Three of the last five national champions had elite, Top 5 scoring offenses. The outliers were Alabama in 2011-2012 with scoring offenses ranked 12th and 20th, respectively. Not elite, but still very good. Bama's defenses were dominant, but their offenses weren't liabilities by any means.

 

[L A M P]

Isn't that what I said? 10 games, 3 times in 10 years. And Torbush got the 11th win.

I said it better

I think we can all agree:

 

[Klamalama]

LMFAO we seriously have a fan who said "I think being a black coach in South Florida would be an advantage".......

Oh Really?

I mean it's actually scary how dumb our fans are.

OK show me the faces of the top 50 dade players and their coaches. Um, um, um... You FN moron.

And I didn't say being black guaranteed success you FN moron.

Your opinions are literally the stupidest shiat I have ever heard. Just like your screen name. now it just means you like being ****ed on. Big surprise douchey. You cant read and you are so used to people defecating on you that now you proud of it. But I have to give you props because I have no idea how a homeless dude has constant access to the internet.

Democratic voter program -- free satellite internet.

And free transportation.

 

[77cane]

LMFAO we seriously have a fan who said "I think being a black coach in South Florida would be an advantage".......

Oh Really?

I mean it's actually scary how dumb our fans are.

OK show me the faces of the top 50 dade players and their coaches. Um, um, um... You FN moron.

And I didn't say being black guaranteed success you FN moron.

Your opinions are literally the stupidest shiat I have ever heard. Just like your screen name. now it just means you like being ****ed on. Big surprise douchey. You cant read and you are so used to people defecating on you that now you proud of it. But I have to give you props because I have no idea how a homeless dude has constant access to the internet.

Democratic voter program -- free satellite internet.

And free transportation.

View attachment 33447

Is that our future recruiting coordinator in that car---Huggy Bear

 

[BALLHAWKU]

imo i think its Butch or Schiano and kits coming soon.

 

[Gatorhater]

Tier I
Chip - Just call and get a no
Patterson - Just call and get a no
Gundy- Just call and get a no
Pinkel - Just call and get a no

Tier II
Fuente
Herman
Brohm
Babers
Morris

Tier III
Butch
Meacham
Strong
Kirby Smart

I would take Butch as HC and Meacham COHC OC HCIW

If Butch were to covet an OC the caliber of Meachem who would bring that type of up-tempo, high octane offense to Miami, then it would dispel my biggest worries about him and I'd be fully on board. But that goes against Butch's highly conservative/vanilla track record offensively, so I'm not holding my breath.

Hearing Dorsey as the potential OC, even though it's the next logical progression in his young coaching career, doesn't have me excited. I want our offense to be able to capitalize on our greatest built-in advantage with a dynamic spread that can light up the scoreboard with speed/RAC on the outside/slot and power in the running game. Maximize the amount of opportunities we have to get the ball into the hands of South Florida skill talent every single game. Seeing some call all variations of the spread "gimmicks" in 2015 makes my head explode.

Maybe that's what Dorsey would plan to bring here, but that's obviously an unknown.

I assume your are referring to the over abundance of speedy athletes in So FL when you mentions "greatest built-in advantage". I agree that is our biggest advantage. Where we part company is your thought that it is best applied to the offense. We were built, conquered and dominated by load the defensive side of the ball first and foremost. Then the offense, which frequently got what was, my the Lord forgive me, the leftovers. Eddie Brown, maybe our greatest WR, was a DB. He was move to WR because of depth and need. Sapp was one of top TEs in country -- recruited to grow into classic quick footed Miami DT. Field an classic Miami fast defense unleashed with savage intents and your dynamic spreads will go the way of the once mighty option attacks.

Our Pro style offense took college football by storm but it was our defense that rained havoc on the landscape. Those spreads are designed for team without our type of available talent. You do that to "outscore" opponents you can't stop because of your lack of defensive speed. IF your spread can co-exist in an secondary spot to our old style defense then I am on board. But I have never seen the two go together. We can have the greatest defense in the country, one that nobody can duplicate. Everyone can have your "dynamic spread" offense. I'll take my chances with the one of a kind defense.

You know why I bolded so much of your post? Because it was all about things that happened 15 years ago.

You dismiss the "dynamic spread" offense even though Ohio State and Oregon beat the **** out of Alabama and Florida State's defenses, respectively, in the inaugural CFB playoff just one year ago with variations of the spread. They're not gimmicks. They're here to stay and will only evolve further beyond 2015.

This shouldn't be an either-or discussion. Both our offense and defense are irreparably broken and need to be fixed. The two teams that played in last year's championship game had elite offenses by every statistical measure. The old saying goes "defense wins championships," but you have no chance of playing for one in today's college football landscape without also having an offense that can light up the scoreboard.

2014 - Ohio State ranked 5th in points per game. The runner-up, Oregon, ranked 4th. Baylor and TCU had the highest-scoring offenses in the country and lost just one game apiece. Many felt they were hosed out of a playoff berth.
2013 - Florida State ranked 2nd in PPG
2010 - Auburn ranked 4th in PPG

Three of the last five national champions had elite, Top 5 scoring offenses. The outliers were Alabama in 2011-2012 with scoring offenses ranked 12th and 20th, respectively. Not elite, but still very good. Bama's defenses were dominant, but their offenses weren't liabilities by any means.

Wow, saying anything against the spread draws fire like daring to trash that ***** Donna. FSU runs more of a pro set. You are changing data streams like a politician - we are talking about spread offenses not HIGH scoring offense(Miami's last NC offense was great too but not a spread). Please note that the other two titles you claim came in games against OR, who can't beat anyone in an NC game. Also, OSU and Tigers the better defense each year.
So that leaves you two titles not three. OU slipped in a title one year with their wishbone even though we crushed there heads that year.

 

[jerzeycane]

People confuse spread for finesse.

**** if you line up women and children in the phalanx, that don't make em the 300

 

[Roe 15th]

Butch did ok at unc not great...his offenses were mediocre & the main reason was the Qb play...it wasn't very good Yates was very inconsistent

His defenses got better every year reaching #13 ranking & the next year is when a lot of the studs on his defense were suspended & they took a hit

But they were primed to make a run at the Acc ship & Bcs bowl.........

UNC wasn't going to make a run at jack s*** with that awful offense and John Shoop as their OC. The suspensions clearly hurt them, but they weren't going to make the leap with Shoop still running an unproductive, archaically outdated, conservative offense.

Unc was ready to make a run with that awful offenese & John Shoop as their OC....that was easy 10-11 win year if they had a full roster...

 

[ItsMeD]

People get too caught up with terms and names. Spread offense can be a variety of things. Having 3 wr, a TE and a rb in the backfield or leaking from the backfield can be a spread formation. Miami did this a bunch with their pro style offense. Most offenses are just a variation of the west coast offense, which could probably be labeled as a spread offense.

The key is making smart, aggressive play calls. You need players who are athletes, a good qb and good coaching. I feel like we have two out of the three. We could use more talent, but it's not like we don't have skilled guys. What i dont want to see is some gimmick offense.

 

[dedostheibis]

Now im starting to see why charlie strong is such a favorite among some posters. It cant be because of coaching or even tecruiting his class ***. So the reason behind it is because of that huh smh

 

[Al Foil]

FSU joined the ACC in 1991 and Miami joined in 2004.

Mack's schedules were a bit easier.

With UNC talent it is.

FWIW, Mack Brown won 10 games there 4 times

Let me try it. Mack won 10 games 3 times in 10 years at UNC.

Mack never even coached there 10 years or won 10 games in a season.

There is no spoon.

Too be fair, I was right. He won ten games twice.........eleven once.

Wrong. Carl Torbush coached them to the eleventh win.

Do I have to everything around here?

1988: 1-10, 1-6
1989: 1-10, 0-7
1990: 6-4-1, 3-3-1
1991: 7-4, 3-4
1992: 9-3, 5-3 (Peach Bowl, #18 ranking)
1993: 10-3, 6-2 (Gator Bowl, #19 )
1994: 8-4, 5-3 (Sun, #21 )
1995: 7-5, 4-4 (Carquest)
1996: 10-2, 6-2 (Gator, #10 )
1997: 10-1, 7-1 (left for Texas before Gator Bowl with team ranked #5 )

 

[01Canes]

I would take Butch as HC and Meacham COHC OC HCIW

If Butch were to covet an OC the caliber of Meachem who would bring that type of up-tempo, high octane offense to Miami, then it would dispel my biggest worries about him and I'd be fully on board. But that goes against Butch's highly conservative/vanilla track record offensively, so I'm not holding my breath.

Hearing Dorsey as the potential OC, even though it's the next logical progression in his young coaching career, doesn't have me excited. I want our offense to be able to capitalize on our greatest built-in advantage with a dynamic spread that can light up the scoreboard with speed/RAC on the outside/slot and power in the running game. Maximize the amount of opportunities we have to get the ball into the hands of South Florida skill talent every single game. Seeing some call all variations of the spread "gimmicks" in 2015 makes my head explode.

Maybe that's what Dorsey would plan to bring here, but that's obviously an unknown.

I assume your are referring to the over abundance of speedy athletes in So FL when you mentions "greatest built-in advantage". I agree that is our biggest advantage. Where we part company is your thought that it is best applied to the offense. We were built, conquered and dominated by load the defensive side of the ball first and foremost. Then the offense, which frequently got what was, my the Lord forgive me, the leftovers. Eddie Brown, maybe our greatest WR, was a DB. He was move to WR because of depth and need. Sapp was one of top TEs in country -- recruited to grow into classic quick footed Miami DT. Field an classic Miami fast defense unleashed with savage intents and your dynamic spreads will go the way of the once mighty option attacks.

Our Pro style offense took college football by storm but it was our defense that rained havoc on the landscape. Those spreads are designed for team without our type of available talent. You do that to "outscore" opponents you can't stop because of your lack of defensive speed. IF your spread can co-exist in an secondary spot to our old style defense then I am on board. But I have never seen the two go together. We can have the greatest defense in the country, one that nobody can duplicate. Everyone can have your "dynamic spread" offense. I'll take my chances with the one of a kind defense.

You know why I bolded so much of your post? Because it was all about things that happened 15 years ago.

You dismiss the "dynamic spread" offense even though Ohio State and Oregon beat the **** out of Alabama and Florida State's defenses, respectively, in the inaugural CFB playoff just one year ago with variations of the spread. They're not gimmicks. They're here to stay and will only evolve further beyond 2015.

This shouldn't be an either-or discussion. Both our offense and defense are irreparably broken and need to be fixed. The two teams that played in last year's championship game had elite offenses by every statistical measure. The old saying goes "defense wins championships," but you have no chance of playing for one in today's college football landscape without also having an offense that can light up the scoreboard.

2014 - Ohio State ranked 5th in points per game. The runner-up, Oregon, ranked 4th. Baylor and TCU had the highest-scoring offenses in the country and lost just one game apiece. Many felt they were hosed out of a playoff berth.
2013 - Florida State ranked 2nd in PPG
2010 - Auburn ranked 4th in PPG

Three of the last five national champions had elite, Top 5 scoring offenses. The outliers were Alabama in 2011-2012 with scoring offenses ranked 12th and 20th, respectively. Not elite, but still very good. Bama's defenses were dominant, but their offenses weren't liabilities by any means.

Wow, saying anything against the spread draws fire like daring to trash that ***** Donna. FSU runs more of a pro set. You are changing data streams like a politician - we are talking about spread offenses not HIGH scoring offense(Miami's last NC offense was great too but not a spread). Please note that the other two titles you claim came in games against OR, who can't beat anyone in an NC game. Also, OSU and Tigers the better defense each year.
So that leaves you two titles not three. OU slipped in a title one year with their wishbone even though we crushed there heads that year.

And you apparently still think it's 1980 by bringing up the wishbone.

You're here talking about Eddie Brown and Warren Sapp, rambling about old style defense, and trying to make a case that offense is somehow less important in a discussion about what's best for this program in 2015. There's no point in continuing this.

 

[MIA42178]

UNCs offense Butchs last season averaged > 25/game