Coaching search update

[clg003]

This is one of those rare times I find myself completely disagreeing with DMoney. I want a great coach and while Strong is good, he is not great.
A great coach doesn't have to find a "fit" for his specific needs to produce great results. What "Texas is not a fit for him" mean? What does this have to do with being blown out by inferior teams?
How long it took Urban to compete for a title at Ohio State or turn around a completely different program going from Utah to Florida. Different personnel and not his recruits?
Strong should have adapted to the new environment, changed his scheme to fit the players they have, manage games much better and not be shut out and lose the way they lost to a 3-5 team. He just doesn't seem to be a cerebral adaptive and well rounded HC.

This.

Can't believe we are even discussing Strong and using the same excuses that we brought up to defend Golden's first two years.

When did Golden ever kill it recruiting in Miami. When did his team ever dismantle one of out rivals in a BCS bowl that he was a 2 TD under dog in? LOGIC FAIL!

 

[chicanego]

I'm just glad people are actually discussing Butch and fielding legit concerns rather than the mindless Butch is the greatest BS. He would be a good to very good hire, but we shouldn't make that move until we've explored other and better options

I think a couple guys got on that "Butch is the only option" soapbox and just spammed the **** out of the board. Now that the search is a reality more guys are getting involved in the discussion and analyzing the positives and negatives of all candidates including Davis.

This.

I have a feeling a lot of those folks weren't around during the days when he was coaching and/or have a very selective memory when it comes to his tenure at UM.

The name "Botch" was tossed around and many questioned how we dropped games to teams with inferior talent.

Even the idea of bringing Dorsey on board comes with a great deal of risk and scares me a bit - we all know Butch is going to need very good coordinators to make it happen here and Dorsey is an unknown at this point.

Every coach has their strengths and weaknesses, Davis included. Still feel he would be a very good hire, but I'd make the calls to the guys who aren't perceived as available first (Gary Patterson, Chip Kelly, etc.) and strongly consider an up-and-comer who would present a good fit like Tom Herman before ultimately giving Butch the job.

 

[Consigliere]

Texas class rankings
2009 # 5
2010 # 3
2011 # 3
2012 # 2
2013 # 24
2014 # 20
2015 # 12

Makes sense that Strong is doing so bad, Texas average recruiting class under Mack Brown (2009-2013) was 7.4. Only 4 top 5 classes, that explains why he lost to Iowa State.

 

[fincane]

Can we all agree, as I stated back on page 18, that the word conservative to describe Butch's offenses doesn't matter when he has studs in it?

Points Per Game
1995: 26.7
1996: 30.7
1997: 28.6
1998: 37.3
1999: 33.2
2000: 42.2
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2001: 42.7
2002: 40.5
2003: 27.8

It will still matter. He's conservative by nature and a below average game manager. So will he push his advantage and go for the kill? Will he try to protect leads instead of extending them?

He was a below average game manager in 1997. Will you explain why 20 years later people are still labeling him?

He was a below average game manager in 2000. He was a below average in his last college game. The end of the 4th quarter in the 2010 Music Bowl was a cluster of epic proportions.

[video=youtube;Gziu_2z3d3w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gziu_2z3d3w[/video]

 

[Consigliere]

Guys please look up the term Potato. Its a stupid term and would work for some old dude with his pants down around his ankles wearing a flat bill. On this site the only way it would make sense is if someone thought a 21 yo knew chit about Miami football. Which they dont. The last title they experienced was when they were 5. And if your an old F like many of you are and your using that term then you a FN potato for using some ghay ash internet term.

Why don't you call that person out instead of being a potatp? See how I am talking directly to you potato.

 

[fincane]

Can we all agree, as I stated back on page 18, that the word conservative to describe Butch's offenses doesn't matter when he has studs in it?

Points Per Game
1995: 26.7
1996: 30.7
1997: 28.6
1998: 37.3
1999: 33.2
2000: 42.2
---------------
2001: 42.7
2002: 40.5
2003: 27.8

It will still matter. He's conservative by nature and a below average game manager. So will he push his advantage and go for the kill? Will he try to protect leads instead of extending them?

Nick Saban doesn't push the advantage, dosen't "go for the jugular" and sits on leads. When Alabama gets up 31-0 at the half, they win 34-0. They don't win 62-0.

Butch Davis isn't Nick Saban. Nobody but someone on a Miami message board would even make the comparison.

Your scenario wasn't the point anyway. He's up 28-21 in the 4th quarter with 6 minutes to go and the ball at the 25. Is he going to run the ball twice and then pass when it is 3rd and 6? Or is he going to trust his OC and QB to go win the game? Saban has shown a willingness to let Kiffin do his thing in those scenarios.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

The more I think about it possibly being Strong...the more it sickens me. I'm sorry but that would be a horrible hire.

Allow me to dream but we shouldn't even consider signing a coach until we allow the Eagles situation to play itself out. If those ******** start losing Kelly will look to jump ship or be outright fired. You HAVE to at least throw your hat in that ring.

If you were ranking "home run hires" , Kelly would qualify as a grand slam in the bottom of the ninth in game 7 of the world series while playing at home in a game where you trail by 3 runs.

 

[clg003]

If you dont want Strong as HC bc you want a proven elite HC like Butch, Patterson, Briles, or Dantonio is perfectly rational... but to not want Strong but want Herman or Fuentes just means you're not thinking clearly.

The argument about what are you doing now is the dumbest **** I've ever heard of. I guess Fuentes didn't know what he was doing, just a horrible coach that shoudve been fired, his 1st and 2nd year at Memphis, when he went 4-8, and 3-9. But this year he all of a sudden ate his spinach and magically figured out how to turn the program around over night??

Tom Herman who is the least qualified no one has seen what his teams look like with his OWN players unlike with Butch, Strong, and even Fuentes.

Memphis 3-21 the 2 year prior to Fuente arrival.

Texas was 17-9 the 2 years prior to Strong's arrival. Those 17 wins were looked as a failure. Strong is 9-12

You say that like program expectations were the only reason that record wasn't good enough? The team was expected to be good enough to compete for the BIG 12 championship and compete nationally as well. Those Mack Brown led teams were suppose to have been fully developed and ready to win with highly rated veteran recruits.

2009 was the last time Texas had a double digit winnng season (13-1). 2010 they went 5-7, 2011 record 8-5, 2012 record 9-4, and 2013 regressed to 8-5 again and Mack Brown was fired... each of those years after 2009, Texas had a losing record in conference.

You all keep bringing up that stat as if Texas was a good team when Strong took over?? Mack had 4 years to get it right and completely sunk the program. But somehow it's fair to hate on Strong bc he can't magically turn around Texas in a year and a half?

Exactly... When Mack Brown was fired. He was fired because he was FN up that program.

Also look what other schools in Texas have done over the past few years.

Texas has not has not finished with class ranked higher in recruiting than Miami since 2012.

The Texas studs are gong elsewhere. Thats a fact!

People on this site bash coaches because they are biased towards another coach. Its the blueprint of a simple mind. They literally think Butch is Jesus. Most of them don't even know squat about Butch and cant remember one game he coached in.

Strong would be a one of the best options we have at the moment. To say he is a horrible coach just means you don't know what the F your talking about. This guy has 2 NC under his belt while coaching his kids at Florida and did things at UL that no one thought possible.

There is not another name that's been mentioned on this board that would lock down recruiting like he would.

Butch doesnt have the same contacts he had 17 years or even 5 years ago. He moved his focus to the UNC area.

Strong is a name that every single high school coach down here respects and is a black coach who is respected in just about every black household down here.

He is one of the main reason recruiting shifted to Florida down here over the past 5-10 years.

We simply do not get the best SFL recruits anymore and it has to stop. We might get a kid who is like Duke but those are far and few between and not enough to build your program off of.

We will never be Miami again without the Miami studs we want and need to fill holes. When we miss out on a need then that's not acceptable and this team has done that for the last 10 years. Yes, we can get enough talent to be a top 20 class but do we get the DTs we need when it counts? No. Do we get the RBs we need? No. Linebackers? No. Lineman? No. Miami has lost its depth and has holes everywhere and thats because we have lost our ability to recruit like beasts in SFL. We are no longer their number one option. It's our only real difference making attribute and people are blind to it because we get kids in the league or because have highly ranked classes. The real truth is that people on this board that lessen that fact dont know Miami football and dont know what the F their talking about.

While I understand this argument and agree that he would likely lock down South Florida in terms of recruiting, I'm highly concerned about what's happening with his offense. Ultimately, the offensive philosophy and coaches are up to the head coach. I have complete confidence that Charlie Strong would build a monster defense down here but can he hire the right offensive coordinator and recruit the right offensive talent? I don't think any of us know the answer to that question.

It was a bad hire. I dont like it but the dude came in with legit accolades and Charlie worked with him while at Florida and he knew the conference. In year two he is blowing the dude up taking his responsibilities away from him. You can rest assured that dude aint going to be with Charlie after this year. Now compare that coaching style to Golden. Charlie doesn't let his coordinators off the hook and when he sees a problem he addresses it. His next coordinator will only get hired after a lot more research.

 

[clg003]

Guys please look up the term Potato. Its a stupid term and would work for some old dude with his pants down around his ankles wearing a flat bill. On this site the only way it would make sense is if someone thought a 21 yo knew chit about Miami football. Which they dont. The last title they experienced was when they were 5. And if your an old F like many of you are and your using that term then you a FN potato for using some ghay ash internet term.

Why don't you call that person out instead of being a potatp? See how I am talking directly to you potato.

Now explain to me how I am acting like a 21 yo. You may have to spit the *** our your mouth before you do so. Go ahead we can wait for 20 minutes. make sure you get it all out. Now make sure you wipe crap off your lips as well.

And maybe when you get back in class they will teach you that Guys means you are referring to multiple people.

No not your poll dancing class.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Guys please look up the term Potato. Its a stupid term and would work for some old dude with his pants down around his ankles wearing a flat bill. On this site the only way it would make sense is if someone thought a 21 yo knew chit about Miami football. Which they dont. The last title they experienced was when they were 5. And if your an old F like many of you are and your using that term then you a FN potato for using some ghay ash internet term.

Why don't you call that person out instead of being a potatp? See how I am talking directly to you potato.

Now explain to me how I am acting like a 21 yo. You may have to spit the *** our your mouth before you do so. Go ahead we can wait for 20 minutes. make sure you get it all out. Now make sure you wipe crap off your lips as well.

And maybe when you get back in class they will teach you that Guys means you are referring to multiple people.

No not your poll dancing class.

 

[Notsince1985]

Can we all agree, as I stated back on page 18, that the word conservative to describe Butch's offenses doesn't matter when he has studs in it?

Points Per Game
1995: 26.7
1996: 30.7
1997: 28.6
1998: 37.3
1999: 33.2
2000: 42.2
---------------
2001: 42.7
2002: 40.5
2003: 27.8

It will still matter. He's conservative by nature and a below average game manager. So will he push his advantage and go for the kill? Will he try to protect leads instead of extending them?

Nick Saban doesn't push the advantage, dosen't "go for the jugular" and sits on leads. When Alabama gets up 31-0 at the half, they win 34-0. They don't win 62-0.

Butch Davis isn't Nick Saban. Nobody but someone on a Miami message board would even make the comparison.

Your scenario wasn't the point anyway. He's up 28-21 in the 4th quarter with 6 minutes to go and the ball at the 25. Is he going to run the ball twice and then pass when it is 3rd and 6? Or is he going to trust his OC and QB to go win the game? Saban has shown a willingness to let Kiffin do his thing in those scenarios.

And, up 20-17 against FSU with 5 minutes left in 2000, Butch trusted his OC to throw the ball. It went for a first down, but Davenport fumbled and FSU scored the go ahead TD 3 plays later.

 

[kccanefan]

Consiglere says Stanford was a dumpster fire when Harbaugh took over but Texas wasnt when Strong took over even though Texas had a losing record in conference 4 years in a row?? Lol and got the nerve to call someone else a ****ing potato

Strong sucks, period. You bringing up the race card shows your motivation. I don't care what color the next coach is as long as he can get the job done. Strong is blowing a$$ at Texas with endless resources. I would be ok with Kevin Sumlin or David Shaw.

 

[Dirty Sprite]

Consiglere says Stanford was a dumpster fire when Harbaugh took over but Texas wasnt when Strong took over even though Texas had a losing record in conference 4 years in a row?? Lol and got the nerve to call someone else a ****ing potato

Bull chit!

Mack Brown went 9-4 (5-4) in 2012. He went 8-5 (7-2) in 2013. Neither of those are losing records and they immediately preceded Strong's tenure. You want to know what else Mack did during those years? He beat Iowa State both times.

Yeah going 8-5 with the same roster for 3-4 years yeah that's a program that was headed in the right direction -_-

We all know about the suspensions in Year 4, but it's hilarious that someone who's pro-Butch and anti-Herman worded it that way because...

Butch's last three years at UNC: 8-5, 8-5, 8-5

Yes all coaching candidatess have wholes one can dissect... which makes it even more ridiculous that ppl are acting like Strong is hands down an unacceptable choice when the ones they support have more questions than him..... i.e. Herman and Fuente.

 

[The Franchise]

Can we all agree, as I stated back on page 18, that the word conservative to describe Butch's offenses doesn't matter when he has studs in it?

Points Per Game
1995: 26.7
1996: 30.7
1997: 28.6
1998: 37.3
1999: 33.2
2000: 42.2
---------------
2001: 42.7
2002: 40.5
2003: 27.8

I think we can agree that if we can stockpile Wayne, Moss, James, Portis, Dorsey, shockey, mckinnie, Johnson, Gore, et al he will put up numbers offensively. I'm not sure UM fans want to wait 4 years hoping he can pull off that personnel miracle again.

We saw him most recently at UNC field some dreadful offenses and struggle to make a peep in the feeble Coastal over a 4 year stretch.

That's fair, and I agree it's a concern, but I'm hoping he has either learned to adapt to the changing game (and the game has changed since he left UNC, more than it changed from when he was at UM to when he was at UNC), or he stockpiles enough talent to where he can average 40 points per game regardless. Again, I'm not saying Butch is Saban, or the best hire in the history of hires.

My good man, I'm weary from hearing the "we can stockpile talent out way around poor/average coaching" line of thought that I've been beaten about the head with over the last 12 years.

There are too many talented coaches and wide open offensive schemes these days to just roll talent out there. It's a pretty different game than it was the last time we rode that "talent above all else" approach to a NC.

 

[Consigliere]

Guys please look up the term Potato. Its a stupid term and would work for some old dude with his pants down around his ankles wearing a flat bill. On this site the only way it would make sense is if someone thought a 21 yo knew chit about Miami football. Which they dont. The last title they experienced was when they were 5. And if your an old F like many of you are and your using that term then you a FN potato for using some ghay ash internet term.

Why don't you call that person out instead of being a potatp? See how I am talking directly to you potato.

Now explain to me how I am acting like a 21 yo. You may have to spit the *** our your mouth before you do so. Go ahead we can wait for 20 minutes. make sure you get it all out. Now make sure you wipe crap off your lips as well.

And maybe when you get back in class they will teach you that Guys means you are referring to multiple people.

No not your poll dancing class.

Are you calling me young or old?

 

[Dirty Sprite]

Consiglere says Stanford was a dumpster fire when Harbaugh took over but Texas wasnt when Strong took over even though Texas had a losing record in conference 4 years in a row?? Lol and got the nerve to call someone else a ****ing potato

Strong sucks, period. You bringing up the race card shows your motivation. I don't care what color the next coach is as long as he can get the job done. Strong is blowing a$$ at Texas with endless resources. I would be ok with Kevin Sumlin or David Shaw.

Lol rather have David Shaw be the head coach at UM recruiting Sfl instead of Strong llh hilarious the **** ppl say.

What does "endless resources mean in the real world, in a year and a half?" Is it just not losing to Iowa State?

 

[fincane]

Can we all agree, as I stated back on page 18, that the word conservative to describe Butch's offenses doesn't matter when he has studs in it?

Points Per Game
1995: 26.7
1996: 30.7
1997: 28.6
1998: 37.3
1999: 33.2
2000: 42.2
---------------
2001: 42.7
2002: 40.5
2003: 27.8

It will still matter. He's conservative by nature and a below average game manager. So will he push his advantage and go for the kill? Will he try to protect leads instead of extending them?

Nick Saban doesn't push the advantage, dosen't "go for the jugular" and sits on leads. When Alabama gets up 31-0 at the half, they win 34-0. They don't win 62-0.

Butch Davis isn't Nick Saban. Nobody but someone on a Miami message board would even make the comparison.

Your scenario wasn't the point anyway. He's up 28-21 in the 4th quarter with 6 minutes to go and the ball at the 25. Is he going to run the ball twice and then pass when it is 3rd and 6? Or is he going to trust his OC and QB to go win the game? Saban has shown a willingness to let Kiffin do his thing in those scenarios.

And, up 20-17 against FSU with 5 minutes left in 2000, Butch trusted his OC to throw the ball. It went for a first down, but Davenport fumbled and FSU scored the go ahead TD 3 plays later.

Yep. He did. Not gonna forget how it went from 17-0 to 20-17 when he decided to sit on that lead and attempt to ride the defense home though.

 

[kccanefan]

Consiglere says Stanford was a dumpster fire when Harbaugh took over but Texas wasnt when Strong took over even though Texas had a losing record in conference 4 years in a row?? Lol and got the nerve to call someone else a ****ing potato

Strong sucks, period. You bringing up the race card shows your motivation. I don't care what color the next coach is as long as he can get the job done. Strong is blowing a$$ at Texas with endless resources. I would be ok with Kevin Sumlin or David Shaw.

Lol rather have David Shaw be the head coach at UM recruiting Sfl instead of Strong llh hilarious the **** ppl say.

What does "endless resources mean in the real world, in a year and a half?" Is it just not losing to Iowa State?

You **** right I would rather have Shaw. He's a better coach. There is more to coaching then recruiting.

 

[clg003]

Consiglere says Stanford was a dumpster fire when Harbaugh took over but Texas wasnt when Strong took over even though Texas had a losing record in conference 4 years in a row?? Lol and got the nerve to call someone else a ****ing potato

Strong sucks, period. You bringing up the race card shows your motivation. I don't care what color the next coach is as long as he can get the job done. Strong is blowing a$$ at Texas with endless resources. I would be ok with Kevin Sumlin or David Shaw.

Oh knowledge that's just ozzing out of you....

Strong sucks and its only because of the period.

Get it people... your not talking to rational people.

They know Strong sucks because of whats happened at Texas the last year and a half regardless of circumstance.

Football is that easy. If your good you win every year no matter what.

Endless resources is comical but he uses it like its the gospel just because it came out of his head.

I think being a black coach would have its advantages in Miami whereas in Texas it would not.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

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