Coaching search update

[OzarCaneSaw]

This is a 3 step process for the folks making the hire.

1) Make your pitch to try and pull an elite, established coach like Chip, Dantonio, Patterson, etc. If they say no, move to number 2.

2) Interview high potential coaches like Herman, Fuente, etc. If they have no interest or you don't feel they can win championships here, move to number 3.

3) Hire Butch

One of the best posts in this thread, IMO.

Butch is going to be available no matter what. He's made it clear that this is the job he wants and he's not in demand elsewhere. If the admin truly plans to do their due diligence and conduct a thorough search, then there are many options that should be explored first before coming to a decision.

I'd be happy with a Butch hire. But the admin needs to first make an attempt to lure elite established coaches over the next few weeks, even if they're considered pipe dreams i.e. Patterson, and interview others currently having success before making an informed decision.

Great. Slow play Butch like we did in 2001, have a couple other schools come into play and give the man the respect he deserves and we get ****ED with Mario. NO ****ING THANKS.

If you're gonna hire him, then hire him. ****ing-A, it's really that simple.

Uhhh, Butch has been out work as a HC for half a decade now and nobody has come calling. Stop trying to make it out like everyone is beating down Butch Davis' door to have him as coach.

For a couple years, he was going no where because of UNC. The past couple though, I'm sure he recognized the dumpster fire in CG and decided that's the job he wants. How is that hard to understand? He's got one last go around, he had no need to take another position. He's said that he's had offers. No coach announces those they turn down. You're just assuming no one has contacted him. An assumption that he has actually refuted.

 

[bobbydigius]

This is a 3 step process for the folks making the hire.

1) Make your pitch to try and pull an elite, established coach like Chip, Dantonio, Patterson, etc. If they say no, move to number 2.

2) Interview high potential coaches like Herman, Fuente, etc. If they have no interest or you don't feel they can win championships here, move to number 3.

3) Hire Butch

One of the best posts in this thread, IMO.

Butch is going to be available no matter what. He's made it clear that this is the job he wants and he's not in demand elsewhere. If the admin truly plans to do their due diligence and conduct a thorough search, then there are many options that should be explored first before coming to a decision.

I'd be happy with a Butch hire. But the admin needs to first make an attempt to lure elite established coaches over the next few weeks, even if they're considered pipe dreams i.e. Patterson, and interview others currently having success before making an informed decision.

Great. Slow play Butch like we did in 2001, have a couple other schools come into play and give the man the respect he deserves and we get ****ED with Mario. NO ****ING THANKS.

If you're gonna hire him, then hire him. ****ing-A, it's really that simple.

Uhhh, Butch has been out work as a HC for half a decade now and nobody has come calling. Stop trying to make it out like everyone is beating down Butch Davis' door to have him as coach.

For a couple years, he was going no where because of UNC. The past couple though, I'm sure he recognized the dumpster fire in CG and decided that's the job he wants. How is that hard to understand? He's got one last go around, he had no need to take another position. He's said that he's had offers. No coach announces those they turn down. You're just assuming no one has contacted him. An assumption that he has actually refuted.

Couple things here
First if he has really made up his mind on Miami and supposedly turned down other jobs this long to wait it out for the Miami, why would he not wait the process out with us for an extra couple of months? Your concern is that if we don't make him priority number one that he will bounce, but he is actually waiting on us, so whats the problem?
Second, he can claim he has turned down other jobs, and that may very well be true, but he has not been mentioned as a legit candidate for any legit job during his time being out of work. **** even Al's name got thrown around for a second with Tenn, and Pedo State. Yeah no coach personally announces who they turned down, but in today's media where we have twitter and all sorts of other avenues, his name never came up. I have some concerns about Butch but I would not be upset in the least if he was the hire, I just pointed out that your post didn't really make any sense.

 

[bobbydigius]

I think we can agree that if we can stockpile Wayne, Moss, James, Portis, Dorsey, shockey, mckinnie, Johnson, Gore, et al he will put up numbers offensively. I'm not sure UM fans want to wait 4 years hoping he can pull off that personnel miracle again.

We saw him most recently at UNC field some dreadful offenses and struggle to make a peep in the feeble Coastal over a 4 year stretch.

That's fair, and I agree it's a concern, but I'm hoping he has either learned to adapt to the changing game (and the game has changed since he left UNC, more than it changed from when he was at UM to when he was at UNC), or he stockpiles enough talent to where he can average 40 points per game regardless. Again, I'm not saying Butch is Saban, or the best hire in the history of hires.

My good man, I'm weary from hearing the "we can stockpile talent out way around poor/average coaching" line of thought that I've been beaten about the head with over the last 12 years.

There are too many talented coaches and wide open offensive schemes these days to just roll talent out there. It's a pretty different game than it was the last time we rode that "talent above all else" approach to a NC.

Who do you want?

I'd shoot for a homerun established coach first. Then work my way down. Make guys like Chip Kelly, Patterson, D'Antonio and Pinkel tell you no. Then, look at a guy like Herman and/or Fuente. If you can't get any homerun established guys or guys like Herman or Fuente, then offer Butch.

I really don't understand how anybody would disagree with this line of thinking. Its pretty **** cut and dry that this is the route to take here.

 

[Consigliere]

To review:

David Shaw [5 Seasons all at Power 5]: 49-13 (34-8), 3 BCS Games and 2 Conference Titles

- Winning Percentage = 79%

Charlie ******* [6 Seasons only 2 at Power 5]: 46-27 (27-16),1 BCS Game and 2 Conference Titles

- Winning Percentage = 63%

To review one stepped in at a program that Harbaugh left at a elite level. The other is trying to clean up a program that was stuck in the middle of the pack in the BIG 12. two different scenarios, and Shaw would be a terrible fit in SFL compared to a perfect fit in Charlie Strong.

and Lol at this "Power 5" slogan you keep emphasizing as if the BIG East wasn't part of the BCS. The new playoff system some how makes the ACC better bc we're part of this new "power 5" theme -_- ??

Strong is performing at a level lower than the prior coach, hence you're argument is false. Keep trying.

 

[01Canes]

This is a 3 step process for the folks making the hire.

1) Make your pitch to try and pull an elite, established coach like Chip, Dantonio, Patterson, etc. If they say no, move to number 2.

2) Interview high potential coaches like Herman, Fuente, etc. If they have no interest or you don't feel they can win championships here, move to number 3.

3) Hire Butch

One of the best posts in this thread, IMO.

Butch is going to be available no matter what. He's made it clear that this is the job he wants and he's not in demand elsewhere. If the admin truly plans to do their due diligence and conduct a thorough search, then there are many options that should be explored first before coming to a decision.

I'd be happy with a Butch hire. But the admin needs to first make an attempt to lure elite established coaches over the next few weeks, even if they're considered pipe dreams i.e. Patterson, and interview others currently having success before making an informed decision.

Great. Slow play Butch like we did in 2001, have a couple other schools come into play and give the man the respect he deserves and we get ****ED with Mario. NO ****ING THANKS.

If you're gonna hire him, then hire him. ****ing-A, it's really that simple.

Uhhh, Butch has been out work as a HC for half a decade now and nobody has come calling. Stop trying to make it out like everyone is beating down Butch Davis' door to have him as coach.

For a couple years, he was going no where because of UNC. The past couple though, I'm sure he recognized the dumpster fire in CG and decided that's the job he wants. How is that hard to understand? He's got one last go around, he had no need to take another position. He's said that he's had offers. No coach announces those they turn down. You're just assuming no one has contacted him. An assumption that he has actually refuted.

Then why are you even remotely concerned about other schools swooping in to try to steal him away if he's dead set on Miami? We can immediately eliminate premier vacancies like USC or UGA (if they fire Richt) from the discussion because they're obviously going to be aiming higher and paying more. Which other schools could realistically come knocking that would make Butch suddenly lose sight of the tunnel vision you say he's had on UM for a couple years, make a rash decision, and opt not to wait until UM's admin makes up their mind?

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

One of the best posts in this thread, IMO.

Butch is going to be available no matter what. He's made it clear that this is the job he wants and he's not in demand elsewhere. If the admin truly plans to do their due diligence and conduct a thorough search, then there are many options that should be explored first before coming to a decision.

I'd be happy with a Butch hire. But the admin needs to first make an attempt to lure elite established coaches over the next few weeks, even if they're considered pipe dreams i.e. Patterson, and interview others currently having success before making an informed decision.

Great. Slow play Butch like we did in 2001, have a couple other schools come into play and give the man the respect he deserves and we get ****ED with Mario. NO ****ING THANKS.

If you're gonna hire him, then hire him. ****ing-A, it's really that simple.

Uhhh, Butch has been out work as a HC for half a decade now and nobody has come calling. Stop trying to make it out like everyone is beating down Butch Davis' door to have him as coach.

For a couple years, he was going no where because of UNC. The past couple though, I'm sure he recognized the dumpster fire in CG and decided that's the job he wants. How is that hard to understand? He's got one last go around, he had no need to take another position. He's said that he's had offers. No coach announces those they turn down. You're just assuming no one has contacted him. An assumption that he has actually refuted.

Couple things here
First if he has really made up his mind on Miami and supposedly turned down other jobs this long to wait it out for the Miami, why would he not wait the process out with us for an extra couple of months? Your concern is that if we don't make him priority number one that he will bounce, but he is actually waiting on us, so whats the problem?
Second, he can claim he has turned down other jobs, and that may very well be true, but he has not been mentioned as a legit candidate for any legit job during his time being out of work. **** even Al's name got thrown around for a second with Tenn, and Pedo State. Yeah no coach personally announces who they turned down, but in today's media where we have twitter and all sorts of other avenues, his name never came up. I have some concerns about Butch but I would not be upset in the least if he was the hire, I just pointed out that your post didn't really make any sense.

He has publicly announced his desire to coach for Miami. If other names are actually leaked as being likely hires and his name is not among them, you can bet your *** that he will be considered for a number of jobs. I'm just saying that I can see him go for another position if it looks like the school is not serious about him any longer. Then we get out bid for other coaches and since Mario has no other school interested in him (I wonder why), he'll be our last resort.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

One of the best posts in this thread, IMO.

Butch is going to be available no matter what. He's made it clear that this is the job he wants and he's not in demand elsewhere. If the admin truly plans to do their due diligence and conduct a thorough search, then there are many options that should be explored first before coming to a decision.

I'd be happy with a Butch hire. But the admin needs to first make an attempt to lure elite established coaches over the next few weeks, even if they're considered pipe dreams i.e. Patterson, and interview others currently having success before making an informed decision.

Great. Slow play Butch like we did in 2001, have a couple other schools come into play and give the man the respect he deserves and we get ****ED with Mario. NO ****ING THANKS.

If you're gonna hire him, then hire him. ****ing-A, it's really that simple.

Uhhh, Butch has been out work as a HC for half a decade now and nobody has come calling. Stop trying to make it out like everyone is beating down Butch Davis' door to have him as coach.

For a couple years, he was going no where because of UNC. The past couple though, I'm sure he recognized the dumpster fire in CG and decided that's the job he wants. How is that hard to understand? He's got one last go around, he had no need to take another position. He's said that he's had offers. No coach announces those they turn down. You're just assuming no one has contacted him. An assumption that he has actually refuted.

Then why are you even remotely concerned about other schools swooping in to try to steal him away if he's dead set on Miami? We can immediately eliminate premier vacancies like USC or UGA (if they fire Richt) from the discussion because they're obviously going to be aiming higher and paying more. Which other schools could realistically come knocking that would make Butch suddenly lose sight of the tunnel vision you say he's had on UM for a couple years?

We took him for granted once before. Would hate to see it happen again.

 

[bobbydigius]

Great. Slow play Butch like we did in 2001, have a couple other schools come into play and give the man the respect he deserves and we get ****ED with Mario. NO ****ING THANKS.

If you're gonna hire him, then hire him. ****ing-A, it's really that simple.

Uhhh, Butch has been out work as a HC for half a decade now and nobody has come calling. Stop trying to make it out like everyone is beating down Butch Davis' door to have him as coach.

For a couple years, he was going no where because of UNC. The past couple though, I'm sure he recognized the dumpster fire in CG and decided that's the job he wants. How is that hard to understand? He's got one last go around, he had no need to take another position. He's said that he's had offers. No coach announces those they turn down. You're just assuming no one has contacted him. An assumption that he has actually refuted.

Couple things here
First if he has really made up his mind on Miami and supposedly turned down other jobs this long to wait it out for the Miami, why would he not wait the process out with us for an extra couple of months? Your concern is that if we don't make him priority number one that he will bounce, but he is actually waiting on us, so whats the problem?
Second, he can claim he has turned down other jobs, and that may very well be true, but he has not been mentioned as a legit candidate for any legit job during his time being out of work. **** even Al's name got thrown around for a second with Tenn, and Pedo State. Yeah no coach personally announces who they turned down, but in today's media where we have twitter and all sorts of other avenues, his name never came up. I have some concerns about Butch but I would not be upset in the least if he was the hire, I just pointed out that your post didn't really make any sense.

He has publicly announced his desire to coach for Miami. If other names are actually leaked as being likely hires and his name is not among them, you can bet your *** that he will be considered for a number of jobs. I'm just saying that I can see him go for another position if it looks like the school is not serious about him any longer. Then we get out bid for other coaches and since Mario has no other school interested in him (I wonder why), he'll be our last resort.

Once again couple things
You keep saying that he will for sure he will be considered for other jobs, but there is actually no proof of that. Show any proof of that, **** show me any proof he was a serious candidate for any job the last few years. Second other names leaking, even other names being ahead of him on the totem pole doesn't mean he isn't being taken seriously. Butch is being taken seriously from all accounts and reports we have gotten, but being taken seriously and being the first choice are not mutually exclusive things. You say he has identified Miami as the job he wants, so much so that you claim he turned down other jobs and waited for a couple of years, but if all of the sudden the job comes available, which its has, and we don't jump on him right away as the #1 choice, he will bounce? You aren't making sense here.

 

[clg003]

Consiglere says Stanford was a dumpster fire when Harbaugh took over but Texas wasnt when Strong took over even though Texas had a losing record in conference 4 years in a row?? Lol and got the nerve to call someone else a ****ing potato

Strong sucks, period. You bringing up the race card shows your motivation. I don't care what color the next coach is as long as he can get the job done. Strong is blowing a$$ at Texas with endless resources. I would be ok with Kevin Sumlin or David Shaw.

Oh knowledge that's just ozzing out of you....

Strong sucks and its only because of the period.

Get it people... your not talking to rational people.

They know Strong sucks because of whats happened at Texas the last year and a half regardless of circumstance.

Football is that easy. If your good you win every year no matter what.

Endless resources is comical but he uses it like its the gospel just because it came out of his head.

I think being a black coach would have its advantages in Miami whereas in Texas it would not.

Since you question other's knowledge, Aside from his skin color what else makes Strong a good candidate? Is it his 9-12 record at Texas or his recent lose to bottom dweller Iowa St. Texas does have the largest Athletic budget in the entire country. That is fact. Being black definitely helped Randy Shannon when he was here. I'm sorry, but choosing a coach based on race has to be the most ignorant and misguided decision you can make. In addition, like I said I would be ok with a Kevin Sumlin or a David Shaw as they are good coaches.

He is regarded as the number recruiter in SFL. Other than a Chip kelly type name there is no doubt that he would have the biggest impact to recruiting then any other coach.

I also don't understand why you keep harping on Strong's record at Texas and his endless resources, like your a whole picture guy. When you purposely ignore every positive aspect of his career and just harp on a few negatives it means you are not looking at it rationally.

There have been plenty of coaches who had trouble in their first few years for various reasons other than being a bad coach. For example you would have sent Coach K packing in year 2 and would have been the dumbest ***** on the planet.

Refusing to note that Mack Brown got fired for a reason is proof that your not a person who views things rationally. His recruiting class was the worst that it had been for years and other schools in Texas gained massive momentum during his last few years. Thats a fact that you choose to ignore for biased reasons. Your sitting her acting like Strong took over the Texas team right after they won the title. His Louisville team would have beaten the crap out of any of these Texas teams. Sorry but he gets credit for that. He also gets credit for his work at Florida.

Life is not as easy 3rd grade math problem but to you this massive failure in logic logic is legit. And you want people to get on board with you because you say period and race and other stupid crap.

Every coach has negatives and positives and every coach is not suited for every situation. Just like Saban in Miami.

Texas has had its three worst recruiting classes in the last 20 years and other schools in Texas are more popular than ever and he will be on his 3rd AD if he makes it next year and the boosters hated him from the get go. But in your argument none of that matters.

I said being black in SFL can help. If you don't understand that then there is no talking to you about it because its obvious. Shannon was black and it did help him but it cant make you. You cant **** everyone off and still succeed which is what Randy did. Again its not a 3rd grade math problem there are plenty of variables that impact things.

 

[canesrdynamite]

Texas has had its three worst recruiting classes in the last 20 years and other schools in Texas are more popular than ever and he will be on his 3rd AD if he makes it next year and the boosters hated him from the get go. But in your argument none of that matters.

I think it's pretty clear that a lot of the boosters here will also hate him from the get go.

Maybe they thought he was not a good enough coach for their elite program.

 

[Dwinstitles]

bbb period, and watch us be fkin elite

 

[clg003]

To review:

David Shaw [5 Seasons all at Power 5]: 49-13 (34-8), 3 BCS Games and 2 Conference Titles

- Winning Percentage = 79%

Charlie ******* [6 Seasons only 2 at Power 5]: 46-27 (27-16),1 BCS Game and 2 Conference Titles

- Winning Percentage = 63%

To review one stepped in at a program that Harbaugh left at a elite level. The other is trying to clean up a program that was stuck in the middle of the pack in the BIG 12. two different scenarios, and Shaw would be a terrible fit in SFL compared to a perfect fit in Charlie Strong.

and Lol at this "Power 5" slogan you keep emphasizing as if the BIG East wasn't part of the BCS. The new playoff system some how makes the ACC better bc we're part of this new "power 5" theme -_- ??

Strong is performing at a level lower than the prior coach, hence you're argument is false. Keep trying.

How is he? Mack Brown brought that program to its knees after years of top 5 recruiting classes and let every other school in Texas gain momentum on them and it was bad enough for him to get fired. Strong has had their worst recruiting classes in years and the other schools in the conference are stronger than ever but to you these things even out. This fantasy that Texas was in great shape when Mack left is a a joke. He got fired for a reason.

 

[clg003]

Texas has had its three worst recruiting classes in the last 20 years and other schools in Texas are more popular than ever and he will be on his 3rd AD if he makes it next year and the boosters hated him from the get go. But in your argument none of that matters.

I think it's pretty clear that a lot of the boosters here will also hate him from the get go.

Maybe they thought he was not a good enough coach for their elite program.

Please explain how its clear that boosters will hate him here? I am really interested to know this info.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

Uhhh, Butch has been out work as a HC for half a decade now and nobody has come calling. Stop trying to make it out like everyone is beating down Butch Davis' door to have him as coach.

For a couple years, he was going no where because of UNC. The past couple though, I'm sure he recognized the dumpster fire in CG and decided that's the job he wants. How is that hard to understand? He's got one last go around, he had no need to take another position. He's said that he's had offers. No coach announces those they turn down. You're just assuming no one has contacted him. An assumption that he has actually refuted.

Couple things here
First if he has really made up his mind on Miami and supposedly turned down other jobs this long to wait it out for the Miami, why would he not wait the process out with us for an extra couple of months? Your concern is that if we don't make him priority number one that he will bounce, but he is actually waiting on us, so whats the problem?
Second, he can claim he has turned down other jobs, and that may very well be true, but he has not been mentioned as a legit candidate for any legit job during his time being out of work. **** even Al's name got thrown around for a second with Tenn, and Pedo State. Yeah no coach personally announces who they turned down, but in today's media where we have twitter and all sorts of other avenues, his name never came up. I have some concerns about Butch but I would not be upset in the least if he was the hire, I just pointed out that your post didn't really make any sense.

He has publicly announced his desire to coach for Miami. If other names are actually leaked as being likely hires and his name is not among them, you can bet your *** that he will be considered for a number of jobs. I'm just saying that I can see him go for another position if it looks like the school is not serious about him any longer. Then we get out bid for other coaches and since Mario has no other school interested in him (I wonder why), he'll be our last resort.

Once again couple things
You keep saying that he will for sure he will be considered for other jobs, but there is actually no proof of that. Show any proof of that, **** show me any proof he was a serious candidate for any job the last few years. Second other names leaking, even other names being ahead of him on the totem pole doesn't mean he isn't being taken seriously. Butch is being taken seriously from all accounts and reports we have gotten, but being taken seriously and being the first choice are not mutually exclusive things. You say he has identified Miami as the job he wants, so much so that you claim he turned down other jobs and waited for a couple of years, but if all of the sudden the job comes available, which its has, and we don't jump on him right away as the #1 choice, he will bounce? You aren't making sense here.

Never said that.

 

[prinmemo]

I've been convinced that Strong would be a weak and risky hire.

My top three are Butch, Pagano, and Hue Jackson.

 

[canesrdynamite]

Texas has had its three worst recruiting classes in the last 20 years and other schools in Texas are more popular than ever and he will be on his 3rd AD if he makes it next year and the boosters hated him from the get go. But in your argument none of that matters.

I think it's pretty clear that a lot of the boosters here will also hate him from the get go.

Maybe they thought he was not a good enough coach for their elite program.

Please explain how its clear that boosters will hate him here? I am really interested to know this info.

Have you been reading this thread?

 

[Dwinstitles]

Great. Slow play Butch like we did in 2001, have a couple other schools come into play and give the man the respect he deserves and we get ****ED with Mario. NO ****ING THANKS.

If you're gonna hire him, then hire him. ****ing-A, it's really that simple.

Uhhh, Butch has been out work as a HC for half a decade now and nobody has come calling. Stop trying to make it out like everyone is beating down Butch Davis' door to have him as coach.

For a couple years, he was going no where because of UNC. The past couple though, I'm sure he recognized the dumpster fire in CG and decided that's the job he wants. How is that hard to understand? He's got one last go around, he had no need to take another position. He's said that he's had offers. No coach announces those they turn down. You're just assuming no one has contacted him. An assumption that he has actually refuted.

Then why are you even remotely concerned about other schools swooping in to try to steal him away if he's dead set on Miami? We can immediately eliminate premier vacancies like USC or UGA (if they fire Richt) from the discussion because they're obviously going to be aiming higher and paying more. Which other schools could realistically come knocking that would make Butch suddenly lose sight of the tunnel vision you say he's had on UM for a couple years?

We took him for granted once before. Would hate to see it happen again.

alot of people took him for granted, it took some fifteen years to realize he was why miami was elite. after coker i knew he was that dude

 

[Dwinstitles]

To review:

David Shaw [5 Seasons all at Power 5]: 49-13 (34-8), 3 BCS Games and 2 Conference Titles

- Winning Percentage = 79%

Charlie ******* [6 Seasons only 2 at Power 5]: 46-27 (27-16),1 BCS Game and 2 Conference Titles

- Winning Percentage = 63%

To review one stepped in at a program that Harbaugh left at a elite level. The other is trying to clean up a program that was stuck in the middle of the pack in the BIG 12. two different scenarios, and Shaw would be a terrible fit in SFL compared to a perfect fit in Charlie Strong.

and Lol at this "Power 5" slogan you keep emphasizing as if the BIG East wasn't part of the BCS. The new playoff system some how makes the ACC better bc we're part of this new "power 5" theme -_- ??

Strong is performing at a level lower than the prior coach, hence you're argument is false. Keep trying.

How is he? Mack Brown brought that program to its knees after years of top 5 recruiting classes and let every other school in Texas gain momentum on them and it was bad enough for him to get fired. Strong has had their worst recruiting classes in years and the other schools in the conference are stronger than ever but to you these things even out. This fantasy that Texas was in great shape when Mack left is a a joke. He got fired for a reason.

texas is awful they r like miami rt now with high ranking players who dont deserve that ranking, its a bad situation they need a guy that will lock down texas. if i was them i throw the bank at herman.perfect fit for them. when mack left that team was bare u can see it on saturdays i dont what the rankings say

 

[UMFarArcher]

I want Butch badly, but if UM is going to slow play him AGAIN, then I hope he takes another competing gig where he can do his thing.

UM has a decade and a half record of shooting itself in the head.

 

[FullyERicht]

LMFAO we seriously have a fan who said "I think being a black coach in South Florida would be an advantage".......

Oh Really?

I mean it's actually scary how dumb our fans are.