Coaching search update

[DiegoCane]

Conservative defensive coaches are the worst hires in today's game.

What would you consider Nick Saban and Mark D'Antonio?

And while we're at it, how "modern" is Jim Harbaugh's offensive philosophy?

Saban and D'Antonio have been at their school for almost 10 years. D'Antonio has opened up his offense a lot over the years as well.

Harbaugh is an offensive genius so not sure why that is being talked about. There isn't another guy like him out there.


Defensive coaches who are conservative offensively (Muschamp and Strong) are not good hires at Miami.

 

[fincane]

Can we all agree, as I stated back on page 18, that the word conservative to describe Butch's offenses doesn't matter when he has studs in it?

Points Per Game
1995: 26.7
1996: 30.7
1997: 28.6
1998: 37.3
1999: 33.2
2000: 42.2
---------------
2001: 42.7
2002: 40.5
2003: 27.8

It will still matter. He's conservative by nature and a below average game manager. So will he push his advantage and go for the kill? Will he try to protect leads instead of extending them?

 

[DiegoCane]

Strong is an interesting one. He doesn't have a buyout but I'm sure he has a lot of dough coming to him if he gets canned. But, if he quits right after the season to take a huge paycut and have to dole out cash to his assistants, that's a risky move. He's in a pickle - if he wins a few more games and looks somewhat decent, maybe they give him one more year and not fire him (I don't think he'd quit in this scenario). Or, his team can continue to struggle the rest of the year and then he has to WAIT to get fired. Tough spot.

In my eyes he is a better fit for Miami than Louisville or Texas. Was shocked when Texas hired a black coach to be honest. It's known for being the most racist state in the US and to think he is just going to stroll down there with his white white in front of all those so called traditional boosters and get the support he needs.

Vince Young is treated like a god at UT. He works for the university and has a steakhouse in Austin.

 

[Thommy30w]

Conservative defensive coaches are the worst hires in today's game.

What would you consider Nick Saban and Mark D'Antonio?

And while we're at it, how "modern" is Jim Harbaugh's offensive philosophy?

Saban and D'Antonio have been at their school for almost 10 years. D'Antonio has opened up his offense a lot over the years as well.

Harbaugh is an offensive genius so not sure why that is being talked about. There isn't another guy like him out there.


Defensive coaches who are conservative offensively (Muschamp and Strong) are not good hires at Miami.

I think Harbaugh is a coaching genius period. I was hoping the Colts could find a way to hire him if they fire Pagano.

 

[Dirty Sprite]

If you dont want Strong as HC bc you want a proven elite HC like Butch, Patterson, Briles, or Dantonio is perfectly rational... but to not want Strong but want Herman or Fuentes just means you're not thinking clearly.

The argument about what are you doing now is the dumbest **** I've ever heard of. I guess Fuentes didn't know what he was doing, just a horrible coach that shoudve been fired, his 1st and 2nd year at Memphis, when he went 4-8, and 3-9. But this year he all of a sudden ate his spinach and magically figured out how to turn the program around over night??

Tom Herman who is the least qualified no one has seen what his teams look like with his OWN players unlike with Butch, Strong, and even Fuentes.

 

[Notsince1985]

Can we all agree, as I stated back on page 18, that the word conservative to describe Butch's offenses doesn't matter when he has studs in it?

Points Per Game
1995: 26.7
1996: 30.7
1997: 28.6
1998: 37.3
1999: 33.2
2000: 42.2
---------------
2001: 42.7
2002: 40.5
2003: 27.8

It will still matter. He's conservative by nature and a below average game manager. So will he push his advantage and go for the kill? Will he try to protect leads instead of extending them?

Nick Saban doesn't push the advantage, dosen't "go for the jugular" and sits on leads. When Alabama gets up 31-0 at the half, they win 34-0. They don't win 62-0.

 

[OrangetieFatface]

Can we all agree, as I stated back on page 18, that the word conservative to describe Butch's offenses doesn't matter when he has studs in it?

Points Per Game
1995: 26.7
1996: 30.7
1997: 28.6
1998: 37.3
1999: 33.2
2000: 42.2
---------------
2001: 42.7
2002: 40.5
2003: 27.8

It will still matter. He's conservative by nature and a below average game manager. So will he push his advantage and go for the kill? Will he try to protect leads instead of extending them?

He was a below average game manager in 1997. Will you explain why 20 years later people are still labeling him?

 

[Dwinstitles]

i think strong would do well here but anything short of butch is a disaster, every coach has bad fits and seasons. belichek suked at fkin cleveland

 

[DiegoCane]

If you dont want Strong as HC bc you want a proven elite HC like Butch, Patterson, Briles, or Dantonio is perfectly rational... but to not want Strong but want Herman or Fuentes just means you're not thinking clearly.

The argument about what are you doing now is the dumbest **** I've ever heard of. I guess Fuentes didn't know what he was doing, just a horrible coach that shoudve been fired, his 1st and 2nd year at Memphis, when he went 4-8, and 3-9. But this year he all of a sudden ate his spinach and magically figured out how to turn the program around over night??

Tom Herman who is the least qualified no one has seen what his teams look like with his OWN players unlike with Butch, Strong, and even Fuentes.

Memphis 3-21 the 2 year prior to Fuente arrival.

Texas was 17-9 the 2 years prior to Strong's arrival. Those 17 wins were looked as a failure. Strong is 9-12

 

[Cans4life]

This is a 3 step process for the folks making the hire.

1) Make your pitch to try and pull an elite, established coach like Chip, Dantonio, Patterson, etc. If they say no, move to number 2.

2) Interview high potential coaches like Herman, Fuente, etc. If they have no interest or you don't feel they can win championships here, move to number 3.

3) Hire Butch

This. Butch should be the ball back.

 

[The Franchise]

Can we all agree, as I stated back on page 18, that the word conservative to describe Butch's offenses doesn't matter when he has studs in it?

Points Per Game
1995: 26.7
1996: 30.7
1997: 28.6
1998: 37.3
1999: 33.2
2000: 42.2
---------------
2001: 42.7
2002: 40.5
2003: 27.8

I think we can agree that if we can stockpile Wayne, Moss, James, Portis, Dorsey, shockey, mckinnie, Johnson, Gore, et al he will put up numbers offensively. I'm not sure UM fans want to wait 4 years hoping he can pull off that personnel miracle again.

We saw him most recently at UNC field some dreadful offenses and struggle to make a peep in the feeble Coastal over a 4 year stretch.

 

[clg003]

Strong is an interesting one. He doesn't have a buyout but I'm sure he has a lot of dough coming to him if he gets canned. But, if he quits right after the season to take a huge paycut and have to dole out cash to his assistants, that's a risky move. He's in a pickle - if he wins a few more games and looks somewhat decent, maybe they give him one more year and not fire him (I don't think he'd quit in this scenario). Or, his team can continue to struggle the rest of the year and then he has to WAIT to get fired. Tough spot.

In my eyes he is a better fit for Miami than Louisville or Texas. Was shocked when Texas hired a black coach to be honest. It's known for being the most racist state in the US and to think he is just going to stroll down there with his white white in front of all those so called traditional boosters and get the support he needs.

Yeah, that's just not true.

Its not like its a provable fact but do your homework. Show me one bit of research that doesnt have it as a top state if not in the top 5.

 

[Dirty Sprite]

If you dont want Strong as HC bc you want a proven elite HC like Butch, Patterson, Briles, or Dantonio is perfectly rational... but to not want Strong but want Herman or Fuentes just means you're not thinking clearly.

The argument about what are you doing now is the dumbest **** I've ever heard of. I guess Fuentes didn't know what he was doing, just a horrible coach that shoudve been fired, his 1st and 2nd year at Memphis, when he went 4-8, and 3-9. But this year he all of a sudden ate his spinach and magically figured out how to turn the program around over night??

Tom Herman who is the least qualified no one has seen what his teams look like with his OWN players unlike with Butch, Strong, and even Fuentes.

Memphis 3-21 the 2 year prior to Fuente arrival.

Texas was 17-9 the 2 years prior to Strong's arrival. Those 17 wins were looked as a failure. Strong is 9-12

You say that like program expectations were the only reason that record wasn't good enough? The team was expected to be good enough to compete for the BIG 12 championship and compete nationally as well. Those Mack Brown led teams were suppose to have been fully developed and ready to win with highly rated veteran recruits.

2009 was the last time Texas had a double digit winnng season (13-1). 2010 they went 5-7, 2011 record 8-5, 2012 record 9-4, and 2013 regressed to 8-5 again and Mack Brown was fired... each of those years after 2009, Texas had a losing record in conference.

You all keep bringing up that stat as if Texas was a good team when Strong took over?? Mack had 4 years to get it right and completely sunk the program. But somehow it's fair to hate on Strong bc he can't magically turn around Texas in a year and a half?

 

[clg003]

Conservative defensive coaches are the worst hires in today's game.

What would you consider Nick Saban and Mark D'Antonio?

And while we're at it, how "modern" is Jim Harbaugh's offensive philosophy?

Saban and D'Antonio have been at their school for almost 10 years. D'Antonio has opened up his offense a lot over the years as well.

Harbaugh is an offensive genius so not sure why that is being talked about. There isn't another guy like him out there.


Defensive coaches who are conservative offensively (Muschamp and Strong) are not good hires at Miami.

I think Harbaugh is a coaching genius period. I was hoping the Colts could find a way to hire him if they fire Pagano.

Harbaugh would have had banners flying here after his first two seasons at Stanford 9-15.

 

[The Franchise]

If you dont want Strong as HC bc you want a proven elite HC like Butch, Patterson, Briles, or Dantonio is perfectly rational... but to not want Strong but want Herman or Fuentes just means you're not thinking clearly.

The argument about what are you doing now is the dumbest **** I've ever heard of. I guess Fuentes didn't know what he was doing, just a horrible coach that shoudve been fired, his 1st and 2nd year at Memphis, when he went 4-8, and 3-9. But this year he all of a sudden ate his spinach and magically figured out how to turn the program around over night??

Tom Herman who is the least qualified no one has seen what his teams look like with his OWN players unlike with Butch, Strong, and even Fuentes.

The argument against ******* and for Herman is actually an easy one. ******* got his shot at a marquee program and has been an abject failure. Herman hasn't. If Herman got hired by Texas after winning at Houston and fell on his teeth as epically as ******* has, no one would want him either.

Further argument for Herman is that he's a proven offensive mind who models his program's attitude after the old um teams of dominance. ******* is a defensive guy who fields terrible offenses and, most alarmingly, has fielded a putrid defense in year 2 at Texas.

I don't get the concept of UM fans dumpster diving for a new HC. This guy has been a disaster on a big stage at a marquee program. That's a pretty good predictor of what he might do on another big stage at another marquee program.

 

[Consigliere]

If you dont want Strong as HC bc you want a proven elite HC like Butch, Patterson, Briles, or Dantonio is perfectly rational... but to not want Strong but want Herman or Fuentes just means you're not thinking clearly.

The argument about what are you doing now is the dumbest **** I've ever heard of. I guess Fuentes didn't know what he was doing, just a horrible coach that shoudve been fired, his 1st and 2nd year at Memphis, when he went 4-8, and 3-9. But this year he all of a sudden ate his spinach and magically figured out how to turn the program around over night??

Tom Herman who is the least qualified no one has seen what his teams look like with his OWN players unlike with Butch, Strong, and even Fuentes.

Memphis 3-21 the 2 year prior to Fuente arrival.

Texas was 17-9 the 2 years prior to Strong's arrival. Those 17 wins were looked as a failure. Strong is 9-12

You're arguing with a retarded irrational porster. He is incapable of understanding why people want Herman and Fuente. He is also fully supporting Strong when the evidence against Strong is overwhelming and CURRENT.

Strong = Failure at the Power 5 Level

 

[The Franchise]

Can we all agree, as I stated back on page 18, that the word conservative to describe Butch's offenses doesn't matter when he has studs in it?

Points Per Game
1995: 26.7
1996: 30.7
1997: 28.6
1998: 37.3
1999: 33.2
2000: 42.2
---------------
2001: 42.7
2002: 40.5
2003: 27.8

It will still matter. He's conservative by nature and a below average game manager. So will he push his advantage and go for the kill? Will he try to protect leads instead of extending them?

He was a below average game manager in 1997. Will you explain why 20 years later people are still labeling him?

Because he was the same guy at UNC just a few years ago.

 

[Consigliere]

If you dont want Strong as HC bc you want a proven elite HC like Butch, Patterson, Briles, or Dantonio is perfectly rational... but to not want Strong but want Herman or Fuentes just means you're not thinking clearly.

The argument about what are you doing now is the dumbest **** I've ever heard of. I guess Fuentes didn't know what he was doing, just a horrible coach that shoudve been fired, his 1st and 2nd year at Memphis, when he went 4-8, and 3-9. But this year he all of a sudden ate his spinach and magically figured out how to turn the program around over night??

Tom Herman who is the least qualified no one has seen what his teams look like with his OWN players unlike with Butch, Strong, and even Fuentes.

The argument against ******* and for Herman is actually an easy one. ******* got his shot at a marquee program and has been an abject failure. Herman hasn't. If Herman got hired by Texas after winning at Houston and fell on his teeth as epically as ******* has, no one would want him either.

Further argument for Herman is that he's a proven offensive mind who models his program's attitude after the old um teams of dominance. ******* is a defensive guy who fields terrible offenses and, most alarmingly, has fielded a putrid defense in year 2 at Texas.

I don't get the concept of UM fans dumpster diving for a new HC. This guy has been a disaster on a big stage at a marquee program. That's a pretty good predictor of what he might do on another big stage at another marquee program.

The concept is heel digging. That is it chise. At this point there is no other reason to explain their beliefs.

 

[Dirty Sprite]

If you dont want Strong as HC bc you want a proven elite HC like Butch, Patterson, Briles, or Dantonio is perfectly rational... but to not want Strong but want Herman or Fuentes just means you're not thinking clearly.

The argument about what are you doing now is the dumbest **** I've ever heard of. I guess Fuentes didn't know what he was doing, just a horrible coach that shoudve been fired, his 1st and 2nd year at Memphis, when he went 4-8, and 3-9. But this year he all of a sudden ate his spinach and magically figured out how to turn the program around over night??

Tom Herman who is the least qualified no one has seen what his teams look like with his OWN players unlike with Butch, Strong, and even Fuentes.

Memphis 3-21 the 2 year prior to Fuente arrival.

Texas was 17-9 the 2 years prior to Strong's arrival. Those 17 wins were looked as a failure. Strong is 9-12

You're arguing with a retarded irrational porster. He is incapable of understanding why people want Herman and Fuente. He is also fully supporting Strong when the evidence against Strong is overwhelming and CURRENT.

Strong = Failure at the Power 5 Level

lol Has Herman or Fuentes won at the Power 5 level? Either way you slice it, you have made it clear that Strong being black is the only reason you don't like him as a HC candidate bc your points don't make sense, it has to be about race with you smh.

 

[Dirty Sprite]

If you dont want Strong as HC bc you want a proven elite HC like Butch, Patterson, Briles, or Dantonio is perfectly rational... but to not want Strong but want Herman or Fuentes just means you're not thinking clearly.

The argument about what are you doing now is the dumbest **** I've ever heard of. I guess Fuentes didn't know what he was doing, just a horrible coach that shoudve been fired, his 1st and 2nd year at Memphis, when he went 4-8, and 3-9. But this year he all of a sudden ate his spinach and magically figured out how to turn the program around over night??

Tom Herman who is the least qualified no one has seen what his teams look like with his OWN players unlike with Butch, Strong, and even Fuentes.

The argument against ******* and for Herman is actually an easy one. ******* got his shot at a marquee program and has been an abject failure. Herman hasn't. If Herman got hired by Texas after winning at Houston and fell on his teeth as epically as ******* has, no one would want him either.

Further argument for Herman is that he's a proven offensive mind who models his program's attitude after the old um teams of dominance. ******* is a defensive guy who fields terrible offenses and, most alarmingly, has fielded a putrid defense in year 2 at Texas.

I don't get the concept of UM fans dumpster diving for a new HC. This guy has been a disaster on a big stage at a marquee program. That's a pretty good predictor of what he might do on another big stage at another marquee program.

There's no way this can make sense to anyone capable of thought. So Strong in a year and a half has proven he can't coach in the big leagues even though he beat Oklahoma and almost beat OK state with a bunch of 1st time starters.

But somehow even though Herman hasn't had an opportunity to prove himself by coaching a power 5 conference team, that doesnt matter, he is still a great HC option for Miami??