Coaching search update

[clg003]

Strong is an interesting one. He doesn't have a buyout but I'm sure he has a lot of dough coming to him if he gets canned. But, if he quits right after the season to take a huge paycut and have to dole out cash to his assistants, that's a risky move. He's in a pickle - if he wins a few more games and looks somewhat decent, maybe they give him one more year and not fire him (I don't think he'd quit in this scenario). Or, his team can continue to struggle the rest of the year and then he has to WAIT to get fired. Tough spot.

In my eyes he is a better fit for Miami than Louisville or Texas. Was shocked when Texas hired a black coach to be honest. It's known for being the most racist state in the US and to think he is just going to stroll down there with his white white in front of all those so called traditional boosters and get the support he needs.

 

[chicanego]

This is a 3 step process for the folks making the hire.

1) Make your pitch to try and pull an elite, established coach like Chip, Dantonio, Patterson, etc. If they say no, move to number 2.

2) Interview high potential coaches like Herman, Fuente, etc. If they have no interest or you don't feel they can win championships here, move to number 3.

3) Hire Butch

This, although to me, Herman and Butch are 1a and 1b.

Make the pipe dream candidates turn you down. Go for the home run hire first. Some of the perceived negatives that were once associated with the UM coaching position are vanishing. We are willing to pay. This isn't a rebuild; UM has plenty of talent including a potential 1st round draft pick at QB. And the sheer fact UM is surrounded by the richest region of high school talent in the country is going to help.

If I had to choose between the two, I'm taking Herman over Butch, but not by much. Herman, to me, is the anti-Folden, a great fit for Miami.

Butch would still be a great hire though, even with his shortcomings on Saturdays. There is no doubting his eye for talent and when you look at his track record of hiring assistants, he'll surround himself with talent on the sidelines as well.

There willl be same gameday gaffs if he's around, but there's no doubt we'd be humming from a talent standpoint from here on out.

The most encouraging news over the past week or so is that it seems like UM is willing to shoot much higher than guys like Chud, Mario, or Schiano. There is no chance we rise from the depths of mediocrity with those guys.

 

[FullyERicht]

But I would hire Herman, Pagano, and obviously Chip Kelly ahead of Butch right now.

Let me get this straight. Charlie Strong's success at Louisville "doesn't mean ****" because he had a great quarterback in a bad conference. But Herman is your top guy for winning with a great quarterback in a bad conference. Got it.

That's not a knock on Herman. He is one of my top choices. But it's becoming clear to me that your dislike for Strong goes beyond football.

Charlie Strongs success at Louisville doesnt mean **** b/c we already know what happens to him when he coaches with the big boys. We know for a FACT that he can't get it done in the Power-5 at a major brand school.

Again you are asking Miami to hire a man who failed at Texas in one of the most epic and embarrassing ways possible.

 

[FullyERicht]

2. I see more "he's just not a good fit there," the exact same excuse many Golden supporters used.

I understand your points and there is merit. But the Texas situation has been bizarre from the beginning. These aren't excuses in retrospect. People have been questioning the fit from Day One.

Their biggest booster called Strong's hiring a "kick in the face" right after it was announced. The AD who hired him is gone. He was forced to build relationships with an entirely new high school community that was skeptical of him. The fans were largely against him. He inherited very little NFL talent and a putrid quarterback. Texas is a historically underachieving program to begin with, and Mack Brown left them extra Cokerized.

Strong is by no means blameless. He bungled the coordinator situation. He would likely start fresh at OC here.

But the pieces are in place for success at Miami. He'd need to build a Southern Savage Defense, which he did at South Carolina, Florida and Louisville. He would need to evaluate and acquire local talent, which he has always done spectacularly. And Kaaya would need to keep developing like Bridgewater developed. All of these things are realistic given Strong's track record.

LMFAO what do any of those things have to do with his actual game day coaching???? So b/c a guy said it was a kick in the face he now can't remember how to coach football?

He took over a team that previously won 9 and 8 games and has been a DISASTER on the field. Not mediocre, not bad. A DISASTER.

 

[FullyERicht]

Some of you think Strong recruited the whole roster. He only has one real class l. You won't know what he has done until the year after next. Texas was as bad if not worse then when Golden took over. Check out what the NFL people say about it.

THEY WON 9 AND 8 GAMES THE TWO YEARS PRIOR. THEY HAD A BILLION TOP RECRUITING CLASSES. STOP THIS ABSOLUTE NONSENSE.

And if Charlie can't win on a team that only won 9 games the year prior, then how the **** is he going to do at Miami where we can't even crack 7 wins?

 

[L A M P]

Charlie Strongs success at Louisville doesnt mean **** b/c we already know what happens to him when he coaches with the big boys. We know for a FACT that he can't get it done in the Power-5 at a major brand school. Again you are asking Miami to hire a man who failed at Texas in one of the most epic and embarrassing ways possible.

Potato.

 

[FullyERicht]

This is a 3 step process for the folks making the hire.

1) Make your pitch to try and pull an elite, established coach like Chip, Dantonio, Patterson, etc. If they say no, move to number 2.

2) Interview high potential coaches like Herman, Fuente, etc. If they have no interest or you don't feel they can win championships here, move to number 3.

3) Hire Butch

ding ding ding we have a winner. THIS x10000

 

[FullyERicht]

Charlie Strongs success at Louisville doesnt mean **** b/c we already know what happens to him when he coaches with the big boys. We know for a FACT that he can't get it done in the Power-5 at a major brand school. Again you are asking Miami to hire a man who failed at Texas in one of the most epic and embarrassing ways possible.

Potato.

LOLOL I don't think you understand how that works.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

This is a 3 step process for the folks making the hire.

1) Make your pitch to try and pull an elite, established coach like Chip, Dantonio, Patterson, etc. If they say no, move to number 2.

2) Interview high potential coaches like Herman, Fuente, etc. If they have no interest or you don't feel they can win championships here, move to number 3.

3) Hire Butch

This guy gets it. I endorse this plan.

 

[Southcane]

This is one of those rare times I find myself completely disagreeing with DMoney. I want a great coach and while Strong is good, he is not great.
A great coach doesn't have to find a "fit" for his specific needs to produce great results. What "Texas is not a fit for him" mean? What does this have to do with being blown out by inferior teams?
How long it took Urban to compete for a title at Ohio State or turn around a completely different program going from Utah to Florida. Different personnel and not his recruits?
Strong should have adapted to the new environment, changed his scheme to fit the players they have, manage games much better and not be shut out and lose the way they lost to a 3-5 team. He just doesn't seem to be a cerebral adaptive and well rounded HC.

 

[DiegoCane]

Conservative defensive coaches are the worst hires in today's game.

What would you consider Nick Saban, Mark D'Antonio and Les Miles?

And while we're at it, how "modern" is Jim Harbaugh's offensive philosophy?

This. Let's also not confuse conservative scheme with conservative philosophy. You can run a base 4-3 Tampa 2 and be aggressive. You can run a hybrid 3-4 kitchen-sink defense and get run out of the stadium every week (ahem.) ****, D'Nofrio's defense is "innovative", it's "multiple", it's **** hard to implement and it sucks donkey balls the way we run it.

I'm not talking about defense, maybe that wasn't clear. I'm talking about the way Muschamp and Strong handle their offenses as HCs.

I wouldn't mind a defensive coach who is aggressive offensively, proble is there isn't many out there. One of the best in the business, Gary Patterson, changed his philosophy because he knew what it takes to win in today's game.

 

[ghost2]

Conservative defensive coaches are the worst hires in today's game.

What would you consider Nick Saban, Mark D'Antonio and Les Miles?

And while we're at it, how "modern" is Jim Harbaugh's offensive philosophy?

This. Let's also not confuse conservative scheme with conservative philosophy. You can run a base 4-3 Tampa 2 and be aggressive. You can run a hybrid 3-4 kitchen-sink defense and get run out of the stadium every week (ahem.) ****, D'Nofrio's defense is "innovative", it's "multiple", it's **** hard to implement and it sucks donkey balls the way we run it.

I'm not talking about defense, maybe that wasn't clear. I'm talking about the way Muschamp and Strong handle their offenses as HCs.

I wouldn't mind a defensive coach who is aggressive offensively, proble is there isn't many out there. One of the best in the business, Gary Patterson, changed his philosophy because he knew what it takes to win in today's game.

Gotcha.

 

[Gatorhater]

This is one of those rare times I find myself completely disagreeing with DMoney. I want a great coach and while Strong is good, he is not great.
A great coach doesn't have to find a "fit" for his specific needs to produce great results. What "Texas is not a fit for him" mean? What does this have to do with being blown out by inferior teams?
How long it took Urban to compete for a title at Ohio State or turn around a completely different program going from Utah to Florida. Different personnel and not his recruits?
Strong should have adapted to the new environment, changed his scheme to fit the players they have, manage games much better and not be shut out and lose the way they lost to a 3-5 team. He just doesn't seem to be a cerebral adaptive and well rounded HC.

I have to agree with you. I seldom disagree with DMoney also. Strong had two good years at Louisville. His others were more akin to what he is doing at UT. UT is a school you just can't lose at a then get another big job. Like Miami, you have too much going for you to lose, period. Strong landed one of the two top football coaching jobs in the country. If he can't win there, I do not want him here. The thought that he MIGHT be a better fit here or knows the recruiting here better mean nothing because on those two counts Butch is 24 miles ahead of him in a marathon race. Just hire Butch and put up with that occasional brain fart on the sideline. With today's playoff system, Butch never misses the playoff.

 

[DiegoCane]

This is a 3 step process for the folks making the hire.

1) Make your pitch to try and pull an elite, established coach like Chip, Dantonio, Patterson, etc. If they say no, move to number 2.

2) Interview high potential coaches like Herman, Fuente, etc. If they have no interest or you don't feel they can win championships here, move to number 3.

3) Hire Butch

Pretty much how I feel.

 

[DMoney]

How long it took Urban to compete for a title at Ohio State or turn around a completely different program going from Utah to Florida. Different personnel and not his recruits?

Urban is the best coach in the business. But he is also good at picking his spots.

Utah had five players drafted (including the first overall pick) the year he went undefeated. Four of those guys were solid pros who started a ton of games. Meyer didn't recruit any of them. Zook had Florida loaded when he took over. Ohio State was similarly well-stocked by Jim Tressell.

Miami is set up for a quick turnaround. Texas was a full rebuilding project, culturally and personnel-wise.

 

[nope44]

Strong is an interesting one. He doesn't have a buyout but I'm sure he has a lot of dough coming to him if he gets canned. But, if he quits right after the season to take a huge paycut and have to dole out cash to his assistants, that's a risky move. He's in a pickle - if he wins a few more games and looks somewhat decent, maybe they give him one more year and not fire him (I don't think he'd quit in this scenario). Or, his team can continue to struggle the rest of the year and then he has to WAIT to get fired. Tough spot.

In my eyes he is a better fit for Miami than Louisville or Texas. Was shocked when Texas hired a black coach to be honest. It's known for being the most racist state in the US and to think he is just going to stroll down there with his white white in front of all those so called traditional boosters and get the support he needs.

Yeah, that's just not true.

 

[Canesfan1899]

There are far better options out there than Strong IMO.

 

[Notsince1985]

Can we all agree, as I stated back on page 18, that the word conservative to describe Butch's offenses doesn't matter when he has studs in it?

Points Per Game
1995: 26.7
1996: 30.7
1997: 28.6
1998: 37.3
1999: 33.2
2000: 42.2
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2001: 42.7
2002: 40.5
2003: 27.8

 

[Classic]

This is a 3 step process for the folks making the hire.

1) Make your pitch to try and pull an elite, established coach like Chip, Dantonio, Patterson, etc. If they say no, move to number 2.

2) Interview high potential coaches like Herman, Fuente, etc. If they have no interest or you don't feel they can win championships here, move to number 3.

3) Hire Butch

This guy gets it. I endorse this plan.

Yo, just skip to 3 and you've got a one-step fool-proof plan.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Strong is an interesting one. He doesn't have a buyout but I'm sure he has a lot of dough coming to him if he gets canned. But, if he quits right after the season to take a huge paycut and have to dole out cash to his assistants, that's a risky move. He's in a pickle - if he wins a few more games and looks somewhat decent, maybe they give him one more year and not fire him (I don't think he'd quit in this scenario). Or, his team can continue to struggle the rest of the year and then he has to WAIT to get fired. Tough spot.

In my eyes he is a better fit for Miami than Louisville or Texas. Was shocked when Texas hired a black coach to be honest. It's known for being the most racist state in the US and to think he is just going to stroll down there with his white white in front of all those so called traditional boosters and get the support he needs.

Ever been to Utah?