Coaching search update

[NJshoreCane]

Bring in Sonny Cumbie who is the co-offensive coordinator and QB coach at TCU. Meecham calls the plays so Sonny would get a shot at that and he would install an air raid offense which would kill it here at Miami. He is young at 34 so he has some more years before he gets a HC gig. He also worked under Leach, Tuberville, Kingsburry and Gary Patterson. Look at what he did with Boykin who was a wide receiver going into college. Here are the stats incase you don't want to look them up.

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Would prefer Meacham. If it's true that we're willing to spend up to $4 for a HC and we pay Butch Golden's salary, then I would be fine with giving Meacham a raise to be a solo OC and associate HC at Miami.

When all was said and done, we paid Golden 4 million a year.

 

[Hurracanes]

DMoney, what are your thoughts on Skrong? It seems to me that he benefited from having Bridgewater bail him out as a coach. I'm not so sure he's good HC material. Seems to be a better DC than HC.

I've discussed this in other posts, but I think he'd kill it here. He is an elite evaluator of talent (like Butch) who put 14 guys in the pros the last two years at Louisville. Most of those guys were three stars or worse. Recruiting ability may be overrated for a head coach, but the ability to evaluate is just as important as Xs and Os.

He already knows the area and does not need to start fresh in terms of relationships. He built elite defenses at South Carolina, Florida and Louisville, so I believe he can do the same here with our talented roster. He would inherit a Bridgewater-type quarterback in Kaaya. The Iowa State loss is concerning, but Butch had plenty of bad losses here (including a meltdown against East Carolina in Year 5 with a loaded roster).

He is my third choice behind Butch and Herman.

.....and with that "elite" talent he eeked out games almost weekly in the ****ing Big East. How many of you actually watched those talent filled rosters at Louisville? I did and color me unimpressed. Also....Butch's meldowns VS. East Carolina is the reason I don't want him hired either. He isn't that great of a coach and can't win unless he has a massive talent gap advantage (ala Strong). No thanks....give me a good game day coach that can actually outscheme and adjust against equal talent. **** me this is going to end badly.

Name me a coach that has never had a meltdown or eeked through any games. I'll hang up and listen.

 

[bobbydigius]

DMoney, what are your thoughts on Skrong? It seems to me that he benefited from having Bridgewater bail him out as a coach. I'm not so sure he's good HC material. Seems to be a better DC than HC.

I've discussed this in other posts, but I think he'd kill it here. He is an elite evaluator of talent (like Butch) who put 14 guys in the pros the last two years at Louisville. Most of those guys were three stars or worse. Recruiting ability may be overrated for a head coach, but the ability to evaluate is just as important as Xs and Os.

He already knows the area and does not need to start fresh in terms of relationships. He built elite defenses at South Carolina, Florida and Louisville, so I believe he can do the same here with our talented roster. He would inherit a Bridgewater-type quarterback in Kaaya. The Iowa State loss is concerning, but Butch had plenty of bad losses here (including a meltdown against East Carolina in Year 5 with a loaded roster).

He is my third choice behind Butch and Herman.

Butch was 1-5 versus Florida state.. that is something that sticks out to me.

I have my concerns about Butch but that is not one of them. He was facing real sanctions and FSU was at its pinnacle, and at the top of CFB, partly because of our decline but true regardless. They were not the FSU Golden had to face outside of 2014.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

DMoney, what are your thoughts on Skrong? It seems to me that he benefited from having Bridgewater bail him out as a coach. I'm not so sure he's good HC material. Seems to be a better DC than HC.

I've discussed this in other posts, but I think he'd kill it here. He is an elite evaluator of talent (like Butch) who put 14 guys in the pros the last two years at Louisville. Most of those guys were three stars or worse. Recruiting ability may be overrated for a head coach, but the ability to evaluate is just as important as Xs and Os.

He already knows the area and does not need to start fresh in terms of relationships. He built elite defenses at South Carolina, Florida and Louisville, so I believe he can do the same here with our talented roster. He would inherit a Bridgewater-type quarterback in Kaaya. The Iowa State loss is concerning, but Butch had plenty of bad losses here (including a meltdown against East Carolina in Year 5 with a loaded roster).

He is my third choice behind Butch and Herman.

Butch was 1-5 versus Florida state.. that is something that sticks out to me.

I'd ask the fans who directly remember those games how many times Butch had the better team. As far as I can tell/recall, FSU had the much better teams in 1995-1998 and 1999 may have been a push where we lost to the eventual national champion by 10. Then when he had the definite better team in 2000, Butch broke through.

 

[marshallrc13]

I don't get a lot of people on here. Butch would not have to completely rebuild this time around so I don't see it taking 3-4 yrs. We should/might have 9 starters on each side of the ball returning. We should have a top 10 class coming in. He will have a Jr QB who will one of the best in the country along with a slew of skill position players. He will pretty much have what he needs. He can bring in his attacking 4-3 defensive style and good coaches and you have a good team. Butch can run the show for 5-10 yrs and hand over the keys to someone else.

 

[marshallrc13]

DMoney, what are your thoughts on Skrong? It seems to me that he benefited from having Bridgewater bail him out as a coach. I'm not so sure he's good HC material. Seems to be a better DC than HC.

I've discussed this in other posts, but I think he'd kill it here. He is an elite evaluator of talent (like Butch) who put 14 guys in the pros the last two years at Louisville. Most of those guys were three stars or worse. Recruiting ability may be overrated for a head coach, but the ability to evaluate is just as important as Xs and Os.

He already knows the area and does not need to start fresh in terms of relationships. He built elite defenses at South Carolina, Florida and Louisville, so I believe he can do the same here with our talented roster. He would inherit a Bridgewater-type quarterback in Kaaya. The Iowa State loss is concerning, but Butch had plenty of bad losses here (including a meltdown against East Carolina in Year 5 with a loaded roster).

He is my third choice behind Butch and Herman.

Butch was 1-5 versus Florida state.. that is something that sticks out to me.

All while down 31 ships to a perennial top 10 team. He was rebuilding the team at the time so it's hard to judge him based on that.

 

[DiegoCane]

What is DMoney's connection with Strong? Seems to be overly biased in favor of a guy who is failing worse than any coach I can remember recently.

I don't understand either.

Texas players are soft and overrated is one excuse. Except TCU and Baylor are crushing people in the same conference with lower ranked Texas kids.

Another is the program is a mess. Except Mack Brown, who was seen as a failure, won 9 and 8 games his last 2 years.


Not to mention, Strong is about as conservative a coach out there, has hired mediocre Staffa, bad OCs. But he took advantage of a horrible conference, charming soft schedule with the most talent/resources in the league with a bag man, Clint Hurtt. And they still lost to Syracuse, UConn, and UCF

 

[Klamalama]

Butch Hiring Day is 27 away

Will it be fabulous? Here's what the Fabulous Thunderbirds say:

I wanna believe things are gonna be alright
I said I wanna believe things are gonna be alright
If they ask you a question, am I living in a dream
The world may be against us, at least that’s how it seems
When the water gets choppy, can hardly stay afloat
Remember when the things get funky we rocking in the same ol’ boat

I wanna believe it’s gonna be alright
I wanna believe it’s gonna be alright
Hey, can you hear me out there people

I woke up this mornin’, I thought I saw the light
Don’t need no complications, no more driver in my life
I believe we need to deviate from the path we goin’ now
Change the negative to the positive, and turn that life around

I wanna believe it’s gonna be alright
I wanna believe things are gonna be alright
I said I wanna believe things are gonna be alright
Oh, I wanna believe it’s gonna be alright

[video=youtube;hPm_4D4h0e4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPm_4D4h0e4[/video]

From their album, On The Verge. It always seemed that this band was on the verge of something bigger.

 

[UMFarArcher]

I have said it before but the time to hire Butch was in 2007. You could have let him do his acquire talent thing for 4 years and then he would have had us pumping out first rounders again.

But I'm not really interested in waiting 4 years. Butch is not a guy that will come in and have us winning quickly. It will be slow. It will be frustrating. And frankly, pumping out NFL players guarantees you nothing in todays game. When Butch was doing his thing he was WAY AHEAD of everyone in terms of S and C development. That was a huge part of what he did, bc he basically approached it like the NFL.

I think Butch being available is AMAZING b/c it's a safety net. But I would hire Herman, Pagano, and obviously Chip Kelly ahead of Butch right now.

Spot on! Gonna be so funny when Butch actually has to COACH a game here. Peoples heads are gonna pop when they actually see the product he throws out there week in, week out. 90% of these board posters couldn't have been around the last time he was here....no way. He isn't that great of a coach. Elite talent evaluator/developer CHECK, however, like you said that isn't going to get us on the map like....now. People getting all hot and gooey thinking he's gonna re-create the greatest college football roster ever assembled are living in a ****ing fantasy land.

As you said, I wouldn't be totally upset with a Butch hiring but give me your list all day of the week.

Leach ain't a viable candidate.

Get over it already.

 

[DMoney]

But I would hire Herman, Pagano, and obviously Chip Kelly ahead of Butch right now.

Let me get this straight. Charlie Strong's success at Louisville "doesn't mean ****" because he had a great quarterback in a bad conference. But Herman is your top guy for winning with a great quarterback in a bad conference. Got it.

That's not a knock on Herman. He is one of my top choices. But it's becoming clear to me that your dislike for Strong goes beyond football.

 

[brock]

But I would hire Herman, Pagano, and obviously Chip Kelly ahead of Butch right now.

Let me get this straight. Charlie Strong's success at Louisville "doesn't mean ****" because he had a great quarterback in a bad conference. But Herman is your top guy for winning with a great quarterback in a bad conference. Got it.

That's not a knock on Herman. He is one of my top choices. But it's becoming clear to me that your dislike for Strong goes beyond football.

this^

 

[SouthpawX]

Louisville cheats on every level (recruiting). Strong's success came at that school. That should be a factor.

 

[WhatTheHell]

Only speaking for myself, if Herman left Houston in a few years and failed at big time program the way Strong is, I'd also cross him off my list.

That's why he still remains a top candidate for me. In my eyes, I've seen Strong struggle and get steamrolled when he got his shot to sit at the table with the big boys. I don't think he can hack it at a high profile school like Texas or Miami based on his performance at Texas. Texas was his shot and to me he's failed miserably. Herman still deserves his. That could be at UM.

 

[L A M P]

But I would hire Herman, Pagano, and obviously Chip Kelly ahead of Butch right now.

Let me get this straight. Charlie Strong's success at Louisville "doesn't mean ****" because he had a great quarterback in a bad conference. But Herman is your top guy for winning with a great quarterback in a bad conference. Got it.

That's not a knock on Herman. He is one of my top choices. But it's becoming clear to me that your dislike for Strong goes beyond football.

 

[L A M P]

I've seen Strong struggle and get steamrolled when he got his shot to sit at the table with the big boys.

 

[nycane]

Only speaking for myself, if Herman left Houston in a few years and failed at big time program the way Strong is, I'd also cross him off my list.

That's why he still remains a top candidate for me. In my eyes, I've seen Strong struggle and get steamrolled when he got his shot to sit at the table with the big boys. I don't think he can hack it at a high profile school like Texas or Miami based on his performance at Texas. Texas was his shot and to me he's failed miserably. Herman still deserves his. That could be at UM.

i think Texas was a bad fit for strong. he got rid of half the team plus its not his style. Texas never played the type of football he likes to coach. i think it's hard to evaluate him because his success at l-ville was in a weak conference with a class that he only signed because randy got fired. that being said, he does not have a talented texas team. he would prob be consistent but not a NC contender at UM.

 

[CANE1775]

DMoney, what are your thoughts on Skrong? It seems to me that he benefited from having Bridgewater bail him out as a coach. I'm not so sure he's good HC material. Seems to be a better DC than HC.

I've discussed this in other posts, but I think he'd kill it here. He is an elite evaluator of talent (like Butch) who put 14 guys in the pros the last two years at Louisville. Most of those guys were three stars or worse. Recruiting ability may be overrated for a head coach, but the ability to evaluate is just as important as Xs and Os.

He already knows the area and does not need to start fresh in terms of relationships. He built elite defenses at South Carolina, Florida and Louisville, so I believe he can do the same here with our talented roster. He would inherit a Bridgewater-type quarterback in Kaaya. The Iowa State loss is concerning, but Butch had plenty of bad losses here (including a meltdown against East Carolina in Year 5 with a loaded roster).

He is my third choice behind Butch and Herman.

Butch was 1-5 versus Florida state.. that is something that sticks out to me.

I'd ask the fans who directly remember those games how many times Butch had the better team. As far as I can tell/recall, FSU had the much better teams in 1995-1998 and 1999 may have been a push where we lost to the eventual national champion by 10. Then when he had the definite better team in 2000, Butch broke through.

First, let me say that Butch's record against FSU doesn't bother me at all. With that said, wanted to point out a couple of things in your post. There's no way it was a push in 99. FSU was the better team. I don't even think that's debatable. And we were not definitely better than them in 2000 either. I'd call that a push. If we played them ten times, it wouldn't surprise me if the end result was 5-5. 6-4 tops. Those were two **** good teams despite FSU ****ting the bed against OU in the Orange Bowl. I guess my point is, imo, Butch Davis never had a team during that stretch that was the clear cut better team. That didn't come until 2001, and if Butch would have been the head coach, we would have whipped their *** by 50 and the famous Ed Reed halftime speech would have never happened.

 

[wherrera8]

But I would hire Herman, Pagano, and obviously Chip Kelly ahead of Butch right now.

Let me get this straight. Charlie Strong's success at Louisville "doesn't mean ****" because he had a great quarterback in a bad conference. But Herman is your top guy for winning with a great quarterback in a bad conference. Got it.

That's not a knock on Herman. He is one of my top choices. But it's becoming clear to me that your dislike for Strong goes beyond football.

I'm not gonna even entertain that route.

I was on board for Charlie awhile back, but now, I see a few better choices.

Herman
Butch
Fuente

That's my order. I liked Strong, like I said. But there are red flags. If he was losing, but it was because of a lack of offense, that would be one thing. His defense isn't good though. That's his bread and butter and it's not working. Combine that with no offense and it looks terrible. Between that and the list of better candidates I think that's why people don't want Strong. We don't need a recruiter. We need a fundamental teacher of the game. When we win this recruits itself.

 

[WhatTheHell]

1. Lol at comparing an annual toilet bowl NFL franchise to a football resource monster like Texas.

2. I see more "he's just not a good fit there," the exact same excuse many Golden supporters used.

I'll tell you, for as quickly people are to accuse Strong detractors of basing their dislike for him as a candidate on something else, I'd argue that's also a driving force in why many are pushing for him.

 

[DiegoCane]

But I would hire Herman, Pagano, and obviously Chip Kelly ahead of Butch right now.

Let me get this straight. Charlie Strong's success at Louisville "doesn't mean ****" because he had a great quarterback in a bad conference. But Herman is your top guy for winning with a great quarterback in a bad conference. Got it.

That's not a knock on Herman. He is one of my top choices. But it's becoming clear to me that your dislike for Strong goes beyond football.

For me it's about style of play. Strong doesn't take advantage of our recruiting base. You can say he built on all this talent but still lost to bad teams. My dislike for Strong is he isn't a HC at a major program, which he proving nicely right now.

Herman's offense rolled Bama for 500 yards, 280 yards rushing w/ a 3rd string QB.