Coaching search update

[brock]

Charlie strong is most likely not comfortable recruiting in Texas. You would have to think that if Charlie wanted to fill the team up with south Florida kids Texas fans and boosters wouldn't stand for it

 

[JgDaCane]

Herman HC with Butch as DC is the pipedream.

 

[DaU83]

But I would hire Herman, Pagano, and obviously Chip Kelly ahead of Butch right now.

Let me get this straight. Charlie Strong's success at Louisville "doesn't mean ****" because he had a great quarterback in a bad conference. But Herman is your top guy for winning with a great quarterback in a bad conference. Got it.

That's not a knock on Herman. He is one of my top choices. But it's becoming clear to me that your dislike for Strong goes beyond football.

i won't get into any of the stuff outside of football, but Teddy kind of fell into his lap... has charlie strong recruited a good QB outside of Teddy? Mind you if randy were still here at that point, Teddy would have been a cane.. I like strong on the defensive side, just like i did randy, but strong hasn't done anything, outside of get lucky with bridgewater, to instill confidence in him as an HC..

and yes golden was able to bring in Kaaya, and we're still in the dumps.. but at least he was able to bring in a good QB (or 2, allison), which is probably the most important position in the game.

 

[DiegoCane]

Charlie strong is most likely not comfortable recruiting in Texas. You would have to think that if Charlie wanted to fill the team up with south Florida kids Texas fans and boosters wouldn't stand for it

This excuse is ridiculous. Texas is loaded with good football players. Good coaches win games no matter where they are. Urban is a Midwest guy, coached at Bowling Green and Utah, he crushed at UF.

Some guys aren't cut out for the big leagues, Strong is one of them.

 

[DMoney]

2. I see more "he's just not a good fit there," the exact same excuse many Golden supporters used.

I understand your points and there is merit. But the Texas situation has been bizarre from the beginning. These aren't excuses in retrospect. People have been questioning the fit from Day One.

Their biggest booster called Strong's hiring a "kick in the face" right after it was announced. The AD who hired him is gone. He was forced to build relationships with an entirely new high school community that was skeptical of him. The fans were largely against him. He inherited very little NFL talent and a putrid quarterback. Texas is a historically underachieving program to begin with, and Mack Brown left them extra Cokerized.

Strong is by no means blameless. He bungled the coordinator situation. He would likely start fresh at OC here.

But the pieces are in place for success at Miami. He'd need to build a Southern Savage Defense, which he did at South Carolina, Florida and Louisville. He would need to evaluate and acquire local talent, which he has always done spectacularly. And Kaaya would need to keep developing like Bridgewater developed. All of these things are realistic given Strong's track record.

 

[The Franchise]

Butch had NFL studs like Hakeem Nicks

No, Butch had like 4 nfl skill players and some OL. Not a bunch. I'm not saying Butch killed it on offense at UNC, that was part of what I wrote, but he was at UNC. Even Mack Brown, when he was winning 10 and 11 games at Carolina had an average offense.

Larry Fedora's had some pretty good offenses at UNC.

And some epically bad defenses, like, giving up close to 40 points per game, bad.

True. But you were talking about UNC offense trying to excuse away Davis's bad offenses. Fedora has proven you don't have to have a bad offense at UNC.

While we're talking about Fedora, does it concern anyone that he's about to have a way better season than any that Davis had at UNC? And he's doing it under a constant cloud of NCAA investigation and actual probation. Almost everyone on here has derided Fedora as a bum, yet he's on his way to a better season than Davis ever had at UNC while battling probation and 10 separate investigations.

 

[nycane]

first strong is not urban. urban is on another level with Saban. urban did inherit more talent tho at UF and OSu than strong at UT. Golden inherited more talented from randy than strong did. his roster is horrible.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

2. I see more "he's just not a good fit there," the exact same excuse many Golden supporters used.

I understand your points and there is merit. But the Texas situation has been bizarre from the beginning. These aren't excuses in retrospect. People have been questioning the fit from Day One.

Their biggest booster called Strong's hiring a "kick in the face" right after it was announced. The AD who hired him is gone. He was forced to build relationships with an entirely new high school community that was skeptical of him. The fans were largely against him. He inherited very little NFL talent and a putrid quarterback. Texas is a historically underachieving program to begin with, and Mack Brown left them extra Cokerized.

Strong is by no means blameless. He bungled the coordinator situation. He would likely start fresh at OC here.

But the pieces are in place for success at Miami. He'd need to build a Southern Savage Defense, which he did at South Carolina, Florida and Louisville. He would need to evaluate and acquire local talent, which he has always done spectacularly. And Kaaya would need to keep developing like Bridgewater developed. All of these things are realistic given Strong's track record.

All excuses that have nothing to do with losing to teams like Iowa State and being ranked in the 100's in both offense and defense.

"Randy/Golden walked into such a bad situation at Miami."

 

[JHallCanes]

Charlie strong is most likely not comfortable recruiting in Texas. You would have to think that if Charlie wanted to fill the team up with south Florida kids Texas fans and boosters wouldn't stand for it

Man shut up

 

[L A M P]

1. Lol at comparing an annual toilet bowl NFL franchise to a football resource monster like Texas.

The Browns had 4 NFL titles (8 total) and used to be a well respected franchise. Before Belichick arrived, the toilet bowl franchise would be the NE Pats. I'm just pointing out if he can win in NE, he can win anywhere. Good fit, bad timing, injuries, whatever. Circumstances always dictate outcomes. Whether we can excuse it or not is a whole other thing.

 

[L A M P]

Mind you if randy were still here at that point, Teddy would have been a cane..

If my Aunt had balls..

 

[DiegoCane]

1. Lol at comparing an annual toilet bowl NFL franchise to a football resource monster like Texas.

The Browns had 4 NFL titles (8 total) and used to be a well respected franchise. Before Belichick arrived, the toilet bowl franchise would be the NE Pats. I'm just pointing out if he can win in NE, he can win anywhere. Good fit, bad timing, injuries, whatever. Circumstances always dictate outcomes. Whether we can excuse it or not is a whole other thing.

I still can't thing of a college coached that failed miserably at a power school and then had great success at another.

Maybe there is one, anyone think of someone who did that?

 

[DMoney]

All excuses that have nothing to do with losing to teams like Iowa State and being ranked in the 100's in both offense and defense.

The guy in your avatar lost to some horrible teams. He also made many of the same mistakes Strong made, particularly in terms of picking coordinators.

Butch and Strong to me are very similar candidates. I prefer Butch because I have more faith that he will build a great staff, but they have the same strengths and weaknesses.

 

[DaU83]

Mind you if randy were still here at that point, Teddy would have been a cane..

If my Aunt had balls..

the point wasn't about us having teddy.. the point was that strong had teddy fall in his lap..

 

[DMoney]

Mind you if randy were still here at that point, Teddy would have been a cane..

If my Aunt had balls..

the point wasn't about us having teddy.. the point was that strong had teddy fall in his lap..

Teddy didn't fall into his lap. How many five-star QBs were signing with Louisville at the time? It was a great recruiting job.

 

[nycane]

i dont want strong. this he is a dangerous choice but Iowa st stood its ground with baylor. they arent horrible. he also beat a top 10 team with horrible talent.

 

[ATL-BRAD]

Some of you think Strong recruited the whole roster. He only has one real class l. You won't know what he has done until the year after next. Texas was as bad if not worse then when Golden took over. Check out what the NFL people say about it.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

But I would hire Herman, Pagano, and obviously Chip Kelly ahead of Butch right now.

Let me get this straight. Charlie Strong's success at Louisville "doesn't mean ****" because he had a great quarterback in a bad conference. But Herman is your top guy for winning with a great quarterback in a bad conference. Got it.

That's not a knock on Herman. He is one of my top choices. But it's becoming clear to me that your dislike for Strong goes beyond football.

i won't get into any of the stuff outside of football, but Teddy kind of fell into his lap... has charlie strong recruited a good QB outside of Teddy? Mind you if randy were still here at that point, Teddy would have been a cane.. I like strong on the defensive side, just like i did randy, but strong hasn't done anything, outside of get lucky with bridgewater, to instill confidence in him as an HC..

and yes golden was able to bring in Kaaya, and we're still in the dumps.. but at least he was able to bring in a good QB (or 2, allison), which is probably the most important position in the game.

Not that it changes your overall point but the part in bold is revisionist history. Bridgewater was already planning on de-committing before Randy got fired.

 

[L A M P]

I still can't thing of a college coached that failed miserably at a power school and then had great success at another.

Maybe there is one, anyone think of someone who did that?

Not sure. And I'm not begging for Strong.. I just think it's crazy to discredit one job completely while focusing solely on another. Also, he could end up winning 3 of the last 4 (plus the bowl game) and improving (technically) on last years record.

Just Bring Back Butch and it won't matter. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[DaU83]

Mind you if randy were still here at that point, Teddy would have been a cane..

If my Aunt had balls..

the point wasn't about us having teddy.. the point was that strong had teddy fall in his lap..

Teddy didn't fall into his lap. How many five-star QBs were signing with Louisville at the time? It was a great recruiting job.

Did he not? would teddy not have come to miami if Randy were here at the time?