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There isn't a candidate out there that doesn't have some inherent risk, personally I'll ride with the guy who I know has done it before at Miami and who when you listen to, has that passion and desire to make this team great again.
 
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ScubaCane said:
There isn't a candidate out there that doesn't have some inherent risk, personally I'll ride with the guy who I know has done it before at Miami and who when you listen to, has that passion and desire to make this team great again.
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All I know is if we don't BBB then they sure as **** better hope he actually does get a job elsewhere and that it's a rebuild. An unemployed passed on Butch will cast a very long shadow over the new coach. Not that we should have much patience with the next coach but it'll be even less room for any failings if the Butch card can still be played by a disgruntled fanbase. If Butch somehow ends up at UCF/USF type place and has to take a year or two to get them humming then at least the unknown is off the table initially.
 
There's zero question about Butch's recruiting, evaluation prowess, passion, or reputation. He's obviously a very desirable candidate.

But I really think some people are way too quick to dismiss or completely overlook that the only offense he's fielded in the last 10 years was abysmal, slow paced, behind the times, and conservative despite having NFL talent at UNC. If he plans to hire an innovative OC with a much more dynamic approach than John Shoop, then it won't even be an issue. But it's an area of unknown and a legitimate concern, IMO, considering our advantage of having access to premier skill talent locally.
 
BigDikCane said:
Michael Irvin was on Mike and Mike this morning talking about the kick-off return and coaching search. When asked about Butch Davis in his age Irvin paused for a second. Didn't sound like he wants Butch or he knows that Butch isn't coming. Also said that Butch is the fans favorite, but not everybody else.
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Irvin said he wants an offensive coach to get the fan base excited, so that doesn't surprise me.
 
Didn't USC get sort of burnt on the BB coach from FGCU, (never could understand that one) unless he has a big year this year he's probably out. Can't see them making the same mistake with the football job.

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section9 said:
There's also the issue that Southern Cal apparently has taken a pass on both Herman and Fuente.
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They have passed on Herman because Herman is totally unproven. He is 8-0 in his first season in a mediocre conference. Since when is that enough to qualify a HC to take an elite job like USC, or even a great job like the U?

As for Fuente, his D sucks. He also coaches in a horrible conference.

Herman and Fuente could end up being elite head coaches, but a hire like that is risky.
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01Canes said:
There's zero question about Butch's recruiting, evaluation prowess, passion, or reputation. He's obviously a very desirable candidate.

But I really think some people are way too quick to dismiss or completely overlook that the only offense he's fielded in the last 10 years was abysmal, slow paced, behind the times, and conservative despite having NFL talent at UNC. If he plans to hire an innovative OC with a much more dynamic approach than John Shoop, then it won't even be an issue. But it's an area of unknown and a legitimate concern, IMO, considering our advantage of having access to premier skill talent locally.
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I'm concerned as well but he's the only candidate of that type that I could be happy with. That is why I'm so against Richt and Strong, conservative, boring hires.

Don't understand why so many think a "pro-style" offense is the only way. Too many athletes down here not to take advantage of it.
 
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ItsMeD said:
I would take either one. I don't understand the hate for Strong. He's having a tough time in texas, but he just may not be a good fit there. Kinda like rich rod at michigan. We will know how serious they are (and how much money they are willing to spend) if Richt gets fired at Georgia.
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So you are saying you want Rich Rod? B/C if not, then you are simply racist.
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What? That's just idiotic.

So, strong can't be a good coach because he hasn't done well in texas? So essentially, one bad stop makes that coach bad? That's just stupid. Jimmy Johnson worked in miami. Jimmy Johnson wouldn't have worked everywhere else. Jimmy worked in Dallas but didn't succeed with the dolphins, does that mean Jimmy was a bad nfl coach? Of course not.

I just want the best hire possible. I don't want them to leave any stone unturned. If strong is interested, then find out more. Why are we limiting ourselves to butch? I love what butch did for us, but if you think hiring butch means he will just elk in and magically fix everything in a year, then you're crazy.

Do a real search and hire the best coach who fits the best.
 
DiegoCane said:
01Canes said:
There's zero question about Butch's recruiting, evaluation prowess, passion, or reputation. He's obviously a very desirable candidate.

But I really think some people are way too quick to dismiss or completely overlook that the only offense he's fielded in the last 10 years was abysmal, slow paced, behind the times, and conservative despite having NFL talent at UNC. If he plans to hire an innovative OC with a much more dynamic approach than John Shoop, then it won't even be an issue. But it's an area of unknown and a legitimate concern, IMO, considering our advantage of having access to premier skill talent locally.
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I'm concerned as well but he's the only candidate of that type that I could be happy with. That is why I'm so against Richt and Strong, conservative, boring hires.

Don't understand why so many think a "pro-style" offense is the only way. Too many athletes down here not to take advantage of it.
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People are scared of change in general. Last time we were dominant we played a pro-style, and always hung the idea that is the best because it worked for us and most NFL teams played it. In the meantime, a **** ton has changed in a decade and a half and the spread and offenses outside the pro-style scope have not only flourished in CFB but also the NFL. All the while the athletes in our recruiting base are perfect for these type of offenses.
 
DiegoCane said:
01Canes said:
There's zero question about Butch's recruiting, evaluation prowess, passion, or reputation. He's obviously a very desirable candidate.

But I really think some people are way too quick to dismiss or completely overlook that the only offense he's fielded in the last 10 years was abysmal, slow paced, behind the times, and conservative despite having NFL talent at UNC. If he plans to hire an innovative OC with a much more dynamic approach than John Shoop, then it won't even be an issue. But it's an area of unknown and a legitimate concern, IMO, considering our advantage of having access to premier skill talent locally.
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I'm concerned as well but he's the only candidate of that type that I could be happy with. That is why I'm so against Richt and Strong, conservative, boring hires.

Don't understand why so many think a "pro-style" offense is the only way. Too many athletes down here not to take advantage of it.
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I don'the mind. Having a conservative offense is a misnomer. The 01 canes had a traditional, "conservative " offense, and they dropped 50 on everyone. It's coaching guys up and doing what works for you. Louisville put up points because they had good players and we're coached well. Harbaugh is doing it in Michigan with a traditional "conservative" offense. We need a great coach who can coach up our kids well. Our teams have not been untalented. We have lost a bunch of games where the other team didn't recruit as well as us. We need someone who can keep recruiting well, and coach the team up.
 
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ItsMeD said:
I don'the mind. Having a conservative offense is a misnomer. The 01 canes had a traditional, "conservative " offense, and they dropped 50 on everyone. It's coaching guys up and doing what works for you. Louisville put up points because they had good players and we're coached well. Harbaugh is doing it in Michigan with a traditional "conservative" offense. We need a great coach who can coach up our kids well. Our teams have not been untalented. We have lost a bunch of games where the other team didn't recruit as well as us. We need someone who can keep recruiting well, and coach the team up.
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But 2000-02 were super-teams. It shouldn't take a dozen first-rounders to score 40 ppg.
 
BigDikCane said:
Michael Irvin was on Mike and Mike this morning talking about the kick-off return and coaching search. When asked about Butch Davis in his age Irvin paused for a second. Didn't sound like he wants Butch or he knows that Butch isn't coming. Also said that Butch is the fans favorite, but not everybody else.
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It's interesting - I've listened to interviews by Rumph, Portis, Irvin and a couple others and they almost never bring up Butch or Mario. they all bring up guys like Chud, Schiano, Pagano and ****, even Curtis Johnson.
 
CanesAreAble said:
ItsMeD said:
I don'the mind. Having a conservative offense is a misnomer. The 01 canes had a traditional, "conservative " offense, and they dropped 50 on everyone. It's coaching guys up and doing what works for you. Louisville put up points because they had good players and we're coached well. Harbaugh is doing it in Michigan with a traditional "conservative" offense. We need a great coach who can coach up our kids well. Our teams have not been untalented. We have lost a bunch of games where the other team didn't recruit as well as us. We need someone who can keep recruiting well, and coach the team up.
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But 2000-02 were super-teams. It shouldn't take a dozen first-rounders to score 40 ppg.
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Exactly.

Why are we afraid to use our built in advantage, access to the best, most explosive skill position talent in the nation. Doesn't make sense to me.
 
01Canes,

You and I are in the same boat with Butch. I love his floor and the fact that he's without doubt the best in the game at evaluating and building a roster.

I'm hesitant about him though because of his pedestrian offenses and his last staff at UNC. Shoop was a complete disaster not unlike Bill Miller on the defensive side here who he stuck with for 4 horrible years.

How did Butch manage to never sniff the Coastal title at UNC despite loading that roster with more talent than anyone else in the division?

I don't claim to have all the answers. ****, I'm still trying to figure out how to have my *** eaten without looking like a bytch with my legs up in the air. But I'd prefer to take a gamble on a less sure thing like Herman with what I see as a higher ceiling and a faster turn around time. I can see Herman winning right away and being a juggernaut here.

Davis would take time like he always does, and I'm concerned with his philosophical approach on the offensive side of the ball. I don't see his approach to offense as taking the best advantage of the types of players right in his backyard at UM.
 
The Franchise said:
01Canes,

You and I are in the same boat with Butch. I love his floor and the fact that he's without doubt the best in the game at evaluating and building a roster.

I'm hesitant about him though because of his pedestrian offenses and his last staff at UNC. Shoop was a complete disaster not unlike Bill Miller on the defensive side here who he stuck with for 4 horrible years.

How did Butch manage to never sniff the Coastal title at UNC despite loading that roster with more talent than anyone else in the division?

I don't claim to have all the answers. ****, I'm still trying to figure out how to have my *** eaten without looking like a bytch with my legs up in the air. But I'd prefer to take a gamble on a less sure thing like Herman with what I see as a higher ceiling and a faster turn around time. I can see Herman winning right away and being a juggernaut here.

Davis would take time like he always does, and I'm concerned with his philosophical approach on the offensive side of the ball. I don't see his approach to offense as taking the best advantage of the types of players right in his backyard at UM.
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Agreed.
 
We trust Butch knows how to evaluate HS Players. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he knows how to evaluate coaching talent as well. If he thinks Dorsey is ready, Im all for it.
 
canes1977 said:
We trust Butch knows how to evaluate HS Players. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he knows how to evaluate coaching talent as well. If he thinks Dorsey is ready, Im all for it.
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Don't trust blindly. His last OC was John Shoop. And it was a complete and absolute abortion at UNC with him running the offense.
 
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The Franchise said:
01Canes,

You and I are in the same boat with Butch. I love his floor and the fact that he's without doubt the best in the game at evaluating and building a roster.

I'm hesitant about him though because of his pedestrian offenses and his last staff at UNC. Shoop was a complete disaster not unlike Bill Miller on the defensive side here who he stuck with for 4 horrible years.

How did Butch manage to never sniff the Coastal title at UNC despite loading that roster with more talent than anyone else in the division?

I don't claim to have all the answers. ****, I'm still trying to figure out how to have my *** eaten without looking like a bytch with my legs up in the air. But I'd prefer to take a gamble on a less sure thing like Herman with what I see as a higher ceiling and a faster turn around time. I can see Herman winning right away and being a juggernaut here.

Davis would take time like he always does, and I'm concerned with his philosophical approach on the offensive side of the ball. I don't see his approach to offense as taking the best advantage of the types of players right in his backyard at UM.
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Good post
 
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