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Coaches deserve most of the blame. Here's why.

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TimeBum said:
cdispatch.com

With an eye on future transfers, Ole Miss coach Lane Kiffin hopes to see growth from first big crop

Kiffin says he’s aware of the “good and bad” that will likely come with rebuilding through the transfer portal.
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24 transfers! And you know why he is able to get 24 transfers to Oxford, Mississippi? Because they know they are going to play fun football and are going to win games. Winning games is the only f#cking culture that matters to a coach like Kiffin.
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Tucker got something like 30 transfers to East Lansing, where they don't play "fun football" or generally win a lot of games.
 
ItsAUThing.com said:
Mel Tucker just did the same thing at Michigan State last year and hauled in 30 kids from the Portal.

Whatever Tucker is, or isn't in East Lansing—it's a different era of college football and coaches can fast get rid of dead weight, bringing in players that want to play, like never before in the sport.

This roster will look a lot different next year. Bet on that.
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and they'll still be coached by a dumbass who can't coach himself out of a box and can't break down what went wrong without preaching golden like buzzwords.
 
terdferguson said:
Buy in. The coaches didn't get it from these players. Even from early on you could see the disinterest and blank stares from TVD and others on offense. As a coach you have your philosophy (what you're all about and what we're gonna do) and then you have the implementation of that philosophy, meaning getting buy in from the players. Without buy in from the players, your philosphy doens't mean **** no matter how brilliant it is. These players haven't bought in at all. They're making penalties, making boneheaded plays, exhorbitant turnovers, poor technique, freelancing....these are all signs of guys that just don't care.

Some people see all that stuff from the players and simply conclude that the players stink. You know what the odds are that we assembled an 85 man roster consisting of an average recruting class ranking of 13 and everyone stinks? Off the charts astronomical. It's not a realistic or logical conclusion. We don't have playoff contending talent, but it's better than this. Better than what they are showing. These guys are all playing worse than their talent because they're not trying. THAT is on the coaches. It's the coaches job to sell their vision to the players and to get them to buy in. It's the coaches job to motivate the players. As a coach if you can't do those things, you failed.

Now, Mario can still get buy in from another group of players in the future (his guys etc). Maybe in a couple years when the roster has been turned over he'll be able to put together a team that's fully bought into his vision. Even if that happens, this time period that we're in now is still a massive failure by Mario because he was not able to sell his vision to the current players and get them on board. That's what we're paying him $8 million a year to do and he failed.
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Lmao stop with this foolishness!! You think the guys WANT to lose or are losing on purpose? **** NAAWW!! They have bought in, you can see this because they don’t give up. But Mario sold these ninjahs and all of us a dream. The coaches ARE NOT putting guys in the best position to make plays. SHATTIS **** the bed AGAIN! Most of the turnovers are due to poor coaching and play calling. How many times is dude going to keep using the short side of the field and disaster strikes?! Every team knows he overuses the short side and they roll coverage toward it and blitzes from it smh. It’s quite astonishing that this guy cannot use the wide side of the field! We don’t keep a back or TE in to block when using the long developing plays he likes and wonder why we giving up sack fumbles. Yeah eventually the players will say f it because they’re tired of the trash play calling. They were all in at some point. But when the coaches suck and there’s nothing the players can do but go out there and run whatever is called they lose confidence in their coaches. All the while getting abused by fans like battered wives because they suck. To get booed by your home crowd is terrible and it happens to these guys weekly lol. I know they want to play an exciting brand of football but most of these guys didn’t choose these coaches and their playbooks. They just had to go out and play even if they think it’s a trash playbook or call. Some of y’all never been collage athletes before and just think if the players buy in no matter how ****** the play call/playbook is they should just execute it smh. It’s a combination but it’s mostly that the play calls suck and the players know it. There will be ALOT of transfers in December and I don’t blame them. Take off the orange and green glasses and see it from a player’s perspective. They are human, not cattle.
 
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Liberty City El said:
Has Mario kicked any players off this team yet, or benched anyone for poor play?

If not, what does that say?
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Coaches don't kick kids off the team mid-season. Bad optics. They will however push them to leave on the off-season. Will be shocked if Mario doesn't cut some dead weight.

As for the benching, "effort" hadn't been a problem this season—but was the culprit today. When the tape shows kids mailing in today in the fourth and sloppy, half-*** play—I'd expect some roster shake-ups next weekend at Virginia
 
ItsAUThing.com said:
Coaches don't kick kids off the team mid-season. Bad optics. They will however push them to leave on the off-season. Will be shocked if Mario doesn't cut some dead weight.

As for the benching, "effort" hadn't been a problem this season—but was the culprit today. When the tape shows kids mailing in today in the fourth and sloppy, half-*** play—I'd expect some roster shake-ups next weekend at Virginia
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they can't bench them? they have to continue starting them or playing them heavily? come on. you've been another captain save a hoe w Mario bc hes a miami bro. hes what he is. a good recruiter and good OL coach but not a good HC (hes not bad hes just average) and currently on a recruiting hiatus
 
Liberty City El said:
Leadership starts at the top.

Teams are a reflection of their Coaching.
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True. But in the words of Nick Saban, “nobody out-toughs or outworks mario cristobal.”

So if that’s the case , then what’s it really say about the rest of the staff, and 90% of the guys on this roster?
 
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Cribby said:
Well majority of the DL are transfers
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Which Mario brought in. The best player on offense is Young which Mario recruited besides Van Dyke All you have to do is look at the Oregon's OL All Mario's recruits. Oregon's OL has allowed one sack all year Dan Lanning was provided a solid roster in Oregon. Elko was handed a mature and well coach team by David Cutliffe Mario inherited a very poor fundamental team He's got to work through the roster
 
ramumcane said:
Which Mario brought in. The best player on offense is Young which Mario recruited besides Van Dyke All you have to do is look at the Oregon's OL All Mario's recruits. Oregon's OL has allowed one sack all year Dan Lanning was provided a solid roster in Oregon. Elko was handed a mature and well coach team by David Cutliffe Mario inherited a very poor fundamental team He's got to work through the roster
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Bullsh*t - Duke was 1-17 in the ACC during Cutcliffe's last two years.
 
ramumcane said:
Which Mario brought in. The best player on offense is Young which Mario recruited besides Van Dyke All you have to do is look at the Oregon's OL All Mario's recruits. Oregon's OL has allowed one sack all year Dan Lanning was provided a solid roster in Oregon. Elko was handed a mature and well coach team by David Cutliffe Mario inherited a very poor fundamental team He's got to work through the roster
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As I said Mario needs a big talent advantage to be successful. He’s not going to out coach people on Saturday’s. The sooner people wrap their hands around that the better. Blaming the culture or current roster won’t change that.
 
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Cribby said:
As I said Mario needs a big talent advantage to be successful. He’s not going to out coach people on Saturday’s. The sooner people wrap their hands around that the better. Blaming the culture or current roster won’t change that.
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Essentially what you are saying is there is no margin for error. Every recruit has to be a hit vs bust. I can't see Mario being able to sell that to enough players. My assumption is that the remainder of the 2023 class are going to be three star specials and "grass is greener in Miami" type transfers. Even if he gets another handful of 5 star guys they will immediately get NIL money (or "pay for no play" as I like to call it). Not going to win with that formula.
 
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The only thing Mario has imposed on this team is the will to quit.
 
terdferguson said:
Buy in. The coaches didn't get it from these players. Even from early on you could see the disinterest and blank stares from TVD and others on offense. As a coach you have your philosophy (what you're all about and what we're gonna do) and then you have the implementation of that philosophy, meaning getting buy in from the players. Without buy in from the players, your philosphy doens't mean **** no matter how brilliant it is. These players haven't bought in at all. They're making penalties, making boneheaded plays, exhorbitant turnovers, poor technique, freelancing....these are all signs of guys that just don't care.

Some people see all that stuff from the players and simply conclude that the players stink. You know what the odds are that we assembled an 85 man roster consisting of an average recruting class ranking of 13 and everyone stinks? Off the charts astronomical. It's not a realistic or logical conclusion. We don't have playoff contending talent, but it's better than this. Better than what they are showing. These guys are all playing worse than their talent because they're not trying. THAT is on the coaches. It's the coaches job to sell their vision to the players and to get them to buy in. It's the coaches job to motivate the players. As a coach if you can't do those things, you failed.

Now, Mario can still get buy in from another group of players in the future (his guys etc). Maybe in a couple years when the roster has been turned over he'll be able to put together a team that's fully bought into his vision. Even if that happens, this time period that we're in now is still a massive failure by Mario because he was not able to sell his vision to the current players and get them on board. That's what we're paying him $8 million a year to do and he failed.
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Props to you for the Terd Ferguson name. RIP Norm

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