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Chick speaks out on Mark D’Onofrio/Golden Era

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Canefam said:
Chick played at 235, 250, 270 and 285... He wanted to be an every down DE. At 235 and 250 he was getting manhandled by college OT's so he gained weight. At 270 and 285 he was a slow ****. He was NOT going to be a 250# LB or specialty passer rusher (3rd down, etc.) at Miami. You idiots have a terrible memory... The truth is he is a tweaner and got lucky because of his speed that the NFL uses dudes like him as 3rd down guys and on special teams. Good for him.
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Idiots??...Lol...Some of us "So called Idiots" forgot more about CFB than you'll ever know...
 
TimeB0mb said:
I still think Golden was a better overall recruiter than Rick. Look at the NFL talent that was still coming out of Miami even on a 6 win team. That 10 win team a couple years ago was mostly Golden's players. Year 3 when Rick had more of his recruits playing, the team was not good and he was STILL using a QB recruited by Al Golden. Rick was the better coach, Golden was the better recruiter. I'll preemptively give myself a downvote since I know people are going to hate hearing the truth.
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I wouldn’t disagree at all.

Golden was a skilled salesperson. He was recruiting in richest talent base in the country. He’s going to be right a good percentage of the time. Once he signed players...that’s another story.
 
Coach Macho said:
They should've played a 4-3 because this is Miami and the kids down here play with speed and are not going to excel at 2-gapping.
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I totally agree, but that is another discussion. Getting back Chick as a DE vs LB... I just have a really hard time believing Chick really wanted to be an OLB in college and blames those **** *** coaches we had for not turning him into one... NOBODY knew that by going back down to his soph weight he was going to get his burst back. His burst came back when he started getting rid of all the weight in prep for 40 and the speed trials at the NFL combine. He weighed in at 267 (less than his Jr. yr wt.) and had a great combine, specifically he kicked *** in the 40 and shuttle. At that point, everyone realized this was the right trend for him... Since then, he has lost more weight and now plays at 255. My point is nobody knew including himself, that his NFL career was going to be played as an OLB... So him blaming those crap *** coaches for not converting him or figuring this out is a weak excuse for his mediocre college career. As you well know, his pro career ain't nothing to write about as well, but good for him, he made it to the second contract where the real $ is made for most. This is just my opinion and I wish him the best. I hope he donates a bunch of that coin he is making back to the U...
 
Some players just choose to remember the **** fans, I had a jersey made with his number and got him to sign it. I was a huge fan because he was like the only all Miami guy that stayed true thru the Shannon transition “Recruit”. I saw how much love fans had for him, I think Chick is talking about how the fans trashed the Dfense which it truth it did suck but because of coaches not really players. I once supported Golden on this board and exiled myself from chatting on this board from the shame of it. The **** Golden pulled with Taylor Gabois what horrible to.
 
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Canefam said:
I totally agree, but that is another discussion. Getting back Chick as a DE vs LB... I just have a really hard time believing Chick really wanted to be an OLB in college and blames those **** *** coaches we had for not turning him into one... NOBODY knew that by going back down to his soph weight he was going to get his burst back. His burst came back when he started getting rid of all the weight in prep for 40 and the speed trials at the NFL combine. He weighed in at 267 (less than his Jr. yr wt.) and had a great combine, specifically he kicked *** in the 40 and shuttle. At that point, everyone realized this was the right trend for him... Since then, he has lost more weight and now plays at 255. My point is nobody knew including himself, that his NFL career was going to be played as an OLB... So him blaming those crap *** coaches for not converting him or figuring this out is a weak excuse for his mediocre college career. As you well know, his pro career ain't nothing to write about as well, but good for him, he made it to the second contract where the real $ is made for most. This is just my opinion and I wish him the best. I hope he donates a bunch of that coin he is making back to the U...
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How would anyone know, considering folden and dorito fattened him up and directed him inside? The issue isn’t that people were supposed to forecast his nfl future at OLB. It’s that they were supposed to forecast his collegiate career based on his actual strengths and weaknesses. He was then what he is now. A good, pretty quick and fast midsized athlete. If we had a 4-3 then, he would have been an edge rusher at DE and we’d have seen his ability, and he would have played around 245–255. In a 3-4, Dorito immediately pegged him for a bookend DE then fattened him up more because we had no interior capabilities. We could have tried him as a 3-4 OLB, but Dorito wasn’t having that anyhow. Bottom line is the 3-4 is just a terrible fit for UM, not just for Chick.
 
Ethnicsands said:
How would anyone know, considering folden and dorito fattened him up and directed him inside? The issue isn’t that people were supposed to forecast his nfl future at OLB. It’s that they were supposed to forecast his collegiate career based on his actual strengths and weaknesses. He was then what he is now. A good, pretty quick and fast midsized athlete. If we had a 4-3 then, he would have been an edge rusher at DE and we’d have seen his ability, and he would have played around 245–255. In a 3-4, Dorito immediately pegged him for a bookend DE then fattened him up more because we had no interior capabilities. We could have tried him as a 3-4 OLB, but Dorito wasn’t having that anyhow. Bottom line is the 3-4 is just a terrible fit for UM, not just for Chick.
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If you don't have a Vince Wilfork type of Nosetackle...A 3-4 is Dead right off Jumpstreet...
 
Could you imagine if we had hired Major Applewhite to run the offense - the same guy who thought it wise to hire Dorito as DC?
 
Canefam said:
Chick played at 235, 250, 270 and 285... He wanted to be an every down DE. At 235 and 250 he was getting manhandled by college OT's so he gained weight. At 270 and 285 he was a slow ****. He was NOT going to be a 250# LB or specialty passer rusher (3rd down, etc.) at Miami. You idiots have a terrible memory... The truth is he is a tweaner and got lucky because of his speed that the NFL uses dudes like him as 3rd down guys and on special teams. Good for him.
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caneinorlando said:
If you don't have a Vince Wilfork type of Nosetackle...A 3-4 is Dead right off Jumpstreet...
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Who other than the teams he’s played for have ever had a 3-4 NT like Wilfork?

The Ravens had probably the goat D ever with Siragusa in the middle. You can recruit NTs. We don’t, but you can. The problem I have with the 3-4 is it makes most of the front pieces poor fits for us relative to the corresponding spots in a 4-3, given So Fla talent. IMO it also tends to push either complexity, reactiveness or both. NFL teams can use it well because they can find big, athletic OLBs who have enough experience to know how to make fast decisions. Good luck getting those kids out of HS every year and having them ready to play early.
 
Ethnicsands said:
Who other than the teams he’s played for have ever had a 3-4 NT like Wilfork?

The Ravens had probably the goat D ever with Siragusa in the middle. You can recruit NTs. We don’t, but you can. The problem I have with the 3-4 is it makes most of the front pieces poor fits for us relative to the corresponding spots in a 4-3, given So Fla talent. IMO it also tends to push either complexity, reactiveness or both. NFL teams can use it well because they can find big, athletic OLBs who have enough experience to know how to make fast decisions. Good luck getting those kids out of HS every year and having them ready to play early.
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We Won 5 NCs with a 5-2 and 4-3....F a 3-4
 
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caneinorlando said:
If you don't have a Vince Wilfork type of Nosetackle...A 3-4 is Dead right off Jumpstreet...
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Agreed, for any two-gap defense, it makes a world of difference. Patricia’s defense in Detroit went from trash to respectable the second they traded for Snacks Harrison.
 
Canefam said:
I totally agree, but that is another discussion. Getting back Chick as a DE vs LB... I just have a really hard time believing Chick really wanted to be an OLB in college and blames those **** *** coaches we had for not turning him into one... NOBODY knew that by going back down to his soph weight he was going to get his burst back. His burst came back when he started getting rid of all the weight in prep for 40 and the speed trials at the NFL combine. He weighed in at 267 (less than his Jr. yr wt.) and had a great combine, specifically he kicked *** in the 40 and shuttle. At that point, everyone realized this was the right trend for him... Since then, he has lost more weight and now plays at 255. My point is nobody knew including himself, that his NFL career was going to be played as an OLB... So him blaming those crap *** coaches for not converting him or figuring this out is a weak excuse for his mediocre college career. As you well know, his pro career ain't nothing to write about as well, but good for him, he made it to the second contract where the real $ is made for most. This is just my opinion and I wish him the best. I hope he donates a bunch of that coin he is making back to the U...
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He puts on weight, gets slow, and plays poorly. Please explain the tricky part in figuring out what to do about this situation.
 
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