Character

[Cribby]

We played that Florida team TWO(?) years in a row before Urban arrived!! Are you guys on meds? Go back and watch the fugging Bowl game the year before Meyer arrived. Florida’s WRs were sliding trying not to get hit. Two(?) years later they won the NC. LMAO.

GTFOOH about “they wanted to win”... The core of that team was soft *** fugg BEFORE Urban arrived. Soft as fugg. URBAN changed their mindset. Period. Just like MULLEN took a 4 WIN team, led by Felipe and made them a 10/11 win team.

LEADERSHIP.

You cats are trying to rewrite history that’s already captured on tape.

Urban walked into a team loaded with mostly Fr and soph. Hence why they went 9-3 his first year. Zoom left a very young , loaded squad. Urban literally walked in at the perfect time. He’s still an unreal coach but the teams we played in the bowl was mostly kids.

 

[Ethnicsands]

I dont disagree, and with Richt in charge, well, that situation was always going to go one way. I'll just leave it at that...

Once again, EVALS. The question isn’t whether some program somewhere could make use of him. It’s whether he will fit our program. Our staffs have had little to no self-awareness in evals for nearly 20 years.

 

[Ethnicsands]

We played that Florida team TWO(?) years in a row before Urban arrived!! Are you guys on meds? Go back and watch the fugging Bowl game the year before Meyer arrived. Florida’s WRs were sliding trying not to get hit. Two(?) years later they won the NC. LMAO.

GTFOOH about “they wanted to win”... The core of that team was soft *** fugg BEFORE Urban arrived. Soft as fugg. URBAN changed their mindset. Period. Just like MULLEN took a 4 WIN team, led by Felipe and made them a 10/11 win team.

LEADERSHIP.

You cats are trying to rewrite history that’s already captured on tape.

I don’t understand who you think you’re arguing with. Everyone here understands (or should) that Meyer is one of the bedt coaches of his generation. That’s not news.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Dumb. You have know idea if he tried to quit the season. What is widely reported is him missing multiple practices, smoking weed, missing class, and physically fighting his coaches.

The difference in outcomes was the HC leadership. How he was managed and developed.

The difference was also TALENT. Thomas =/= Harvin.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Can’t have an all choir team

gotta have that dawg in them

Trick is to find the dudes who want to fight and claw for their brothers to the left and right of them. Seems the character of kids we’ve brought in have been too much ALL ME mentality.

It’s NOT about choir. Character traits that work in football include toughness, competitiveness, willingness to work. There are plenty of guys in jail who have those traits. It’s fragile and quitting that are amongst the clear red flags. Guys in jail can be those things, too. We do not need future Senators. Aaron Hernandez was tough, competitive and worked hard, and he surely wasn’t ‘high character’ from a choir perspective. He also did time.

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

JJ would have had zero time for JT and JW.

There’s a saying, “…monkeys know which trees to climb”.

Jarren nor JT would have tried that at a bunch of schools with strong top-down leadership. a Dog trainer once told me that certain dog breeds (he was referencing Dobermans) require that you be the Alpha at all times, otherwise THEY will assume the Alpha role and they’ll “turn on you”.

I read on these boards a lot about “canes back in the day” not tolerating certain things without knowledge of who those guys were. 30 for 30 was sanitized compared to who those guys really were. Michael Irvin is one of my favorite Canes ever, but … if Jimmy wasn’t a STRONGER personality, he might’ve been worse than JT. Brian Blades? it took a very skilled manager (and likely an extremely talented team) to keep these egos in check.

Good leaders stamp out things before they can even be attempted.

 

[Ethnicsands]

It seemed pretty clear that you were joking back with him.

Don’t ruin a passive aggressive *** for tat interweb posting escalation with reason, please.

 

[Ethnicsands]

There’s a saying, “…monkeys know which trees to climb”.

Jarren nor JT would have tried that at a bunch of schools with strong top-down leadership. a Dog trainer once told me that certain dog breeds (he was referencing Dobermans) require that you be the Alpha at all times, otherwise THEY will assume the Alpha role and they’ll “turn on you”.

I read on these boards a lot about “canes back in the day” not tolerating certain things without knowledge of who those guys were. 30 for 30 was sanitized compared to who those guys really were. Michael Irvin is one of my favorite Canes ever, but … if Jimmy wasn’t a STRONGER personality, he might’ve been worse than JT. Brian Blades? it took a very skilled manager (and likely an extremely talented team) to keep these egos in check.

Good leaders stamp out things before they can even be attempted.

You’re trying to win an internet debate, not being honest. JT is no michael irving and you know that. Diaz is also no JJ, amd we all know JJ knew how to manage tough kids. But just because JJ knew that doesn’t mean Thomas would have made it with him. That’s the thing you’re just glibly assuming. JJ had as good an eye for talent as anyone, ever, Butch included. IMO JJ would have found other kids. Now if you’re just imagining he inherited them for a game, sure he would have done better than Manny, but that’s a shrug. I don’t think JJ puts up with them given who they are if he was managing a team for the long run.

 

[TexasCane90]

It’s NOT about choir. Character traits that work in football include toughness, competitiveness, willingness to work. There are plenty of guys in jail who have those traits. It’s fragile and quitting that are amongst the clear red flags. Guys in jail can be those things, too. We do not need future Senators. Aaron Hernandez was tough, competitive and worked hard, and he surely wasn’t ‘high character’ from a choir perspective. He also did time.

I know I went further into detail with that UFag team had a lot of felons and even murderers on that team yet they should have beeen a team that should be a worst case scenario but they had no matter what those traits you said..

toughness
Competitiveness
And wanted to win/be great

sure they had Tebow the choir boy but the rest of that team was some bad apples.

at the end of the day gotta have players who care about the team and team goals... individual awards will come because in college sports even more team success helps all players..

**** look at that LSU natty team... 14 kids drafted half of them wouldn’t have been drafted yet because their on the hot team they got drafted higher than they should... even a midget got picked in the 1st round by the chiefs before JK dobbins

 

[Shooter McGavin]

JJ would have had zero time for JT and JW.

Oh, and you may be autistic if you can’t process thst the mother’s basement quip was a joke, too. I even called attention to it. No need to tell us about her past 40 years.

JJ ain’t here anymore. Times have changed and this entire culture is made up of a bunch of pussies who don’t have balls.

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

JJ would have had zero time for JT and JW.

Oh, and you may be autistic if you can’t process thst the mother’s basement quip was a joke, too. I even called attention to it. No need to tell us about her past 40 years.

And yet you skip over my deadpan quasi-acronym (EXtemporaneous/ELectricity/INternet = EX-EL-IN = excelling) invention? You’ve lost your edge, bro. You’re slipping.

 

[Ethnicsands]

I know I went further into detail with that UFag team had a lot of felons and even murderers on that team yet they should have beeen a team that should be a worst case scenario but they had no matter what those traits you said..

toughness
Competitiveness
And wanted to win/be great

sure they had Tebow the choir boy but the rest of that team was some bad apples.

at the end of the day gotta have players who care about the team and team goals... individual awards will come because in college sports even more team success helps all players..

**** look at that LSU natty team... 14 kids drafted half of them wouldn’t have been drafted yet because their on the hot team they got drafted higher than they should... even a midget got picked in the 1st round by the chiefs before JK dobbins

LSU had 5 first round picks, 7 top 2 rounds. You think none of their other drafted kids woulda got drafted if they were on a differemt team?

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

You’re trying to win an internet debate, not being honest. JT is no michael irving and you know that. Diaz is also no JJ, amd we all know JJ knew how to manage tough kids. But just because JJ knew that doesn’t mean Thomas would have made it with him. That’s the thing you’re just glibly assuming. JJ had as good an eye for talent as anyone, ever, Butch included. IMO JJ would have found other kids. Now if you’re just imagining he inherited them for a game, sure he would have done better than Manny, but that’s a shrug. I don’t think JJ puts up with them given who they are if he was managing a team for the long run.

You’re projecting about winning an internet debate.

It’s not about JT, or any behaviorally challenging player, from my perspective, it’s about the Leader, I’ve been saying that all along. Diaz not being JJ? That’s the point. But assuming that JJ didn’t have JTs who he had to “break” while he was coaching is to rewrite history. There were hella tougher, misguided nuckleheads JJ had to deal with than Jeff has ever been.

 

[Ethnicsands]

And yet you skip over my deadpan quasi-acronym (EXtemporaneous/ELectricity/INternet = EX-EL-IN = excelling) invention? You’ve lost your edge, bro. You’re slipping.

Did you ever consider that it may not be that I’m slipping, but rather that I was always mediocre?

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

Did you ever consider that it may not be that I’m slipping, but rather that I was always mediocre?

**** it, I don’t have a comeback for that.

 

[Ethnicsands]

You’re projecting about winning an internet debate.

It’s not about JT, or any behaviorally challenging player, from my perspective, it’s about the Leader, I’ve been saying that all along. Diaz not being JJ? That’s the point. But assuming that JJ didn’t have JTs who he had to “break” while he was coaching is to rewrite history. There were hella tougher, misguided nuckleheads JJ had to deal with than Jeff has ever been.

We’re discussing these kids today because of the draft, and recency. If your only point is ‘JJ was a great coach and leader and Manny isn’t either of those things’, then you had me at J. But just because that’s true doesn’t inexorably mean JJ would have tolerated those kids. One thing leaders do is pick better kids and get rid of those that need to go. Whether JJ would have picked them, or tolerated them if he did, we will never know. What we do know is the NFL ain’t high on them. The NFL takes chances on kids who barely played football if they have athletic potential. So, well, that’s what we know.

 

[Ethnicsands]

**** it, I don’t have a comeback for that.

QP is speechless. He is genuinely perplexed because he is utterly unfamiliar with self-deprecating humor.

Spoiler

/piling on here

 

[A1cane]

I may read to much into the situation but I think Diaz's love for the program blinded him I think he believed that he could turn the program around in one year and he got a hot head with all the news saying if this guy could make our defense great what can do as a hc. That's my hope atleast I hope he goes back to running things he used to run as a DC if so I think he turns this program around

 

[Torocane]

Character and leadership needs to start at the top as well, which we've been missing going alllll the way back to Coker.

Clappy just threw darts at star rankings and had no hands on approach on handling team infrastructure ever since being a meat puppet to "guide" his championship teams into coaching theirselves

Shannon has social anxiety and never should have been put in the spot he was under with us

Golden valued keeping his friends employed and shut everyone else's opinion/factual assessments out

Richt was on a retirement tour and clearly didnt give a fvck and just wanted to call plays and give Jon a paycheck

Manny is an enabler and caters to what every single player wants to do and tries to look cool doing so, at the expense of cohesiveness in the locker room.

No leaders, no one to put someone falling out of line on their *** or out of the program. It's hard to be a leader on this team like Shaq or Duke when you have those odds against you and no one above you gives a fvck enough to step in

I remember when Soldinger publicly criticized Moss wheight and Coker under cut him publicly. I knew we were in deep ****

 

[Rellyrell]

I agree with the overall sentiment and have been tooting the character horn for 25 years on these boards. Character in football is a HUGE factor. In fact, it's part of the reason Booch David has been the best evaluator in history. He always said that if he had to choose between a slightly better athlete with bad character or a slightly lesser athlete with great character, he's picking the latter.

I don't agree with 5 because any transfer is technically a "quitter." There are good transfers with good character. You just have to be a better evaluator.

Again, it all comes down to evaluation, and character is a huge component in the evaluation process. The rummies of CIS just see stars or 40 times, and that's all they care about.

Spot on my guy. I don’t agree w # 5 either, b/c that would mean King would fit that mode, as he decided to RS after having problems w Holgorsen and then left.

Evaluation is you don’t take a Tate who’s never played under C, when you wanna run a archaic form of pro style.

And for once, can we really talk about character? U don’t crash another teams coaching clinic to try to clown them. U don’t pull up to a charity fund raiser on a yacht. U don’t hand out achievement awards after a loss. U don’t praise moral victories. U don’t place Wrestling mats in the middle of practices after a dismal season. U don’t tote the phrase “TNM” and sneak diss your predecessor, only to throw kids under the bus to justify your operation or lack there of.

So yeah; we got character issues, along w/ evaluation issues, and a whole slew of other issues that goes beyond Hill & Thomas not getting drafted. That’s a scape goat take.