Character

[DMoney]

Character matters. Our top three character guys were our first three picks this weekend. Jeff Thomas and Trevon Hill still haven’t found a team.

We were excited at the time, but in retrospect, the culture was poisoned when Manny did the following:

1) Convinced Jarren to stay;
2) Signed an OC with the idea that he would “fix” Jarren and the other QBs;
3) Begged Jeff to come back;
4) Signed Hill after he got kicked out of another program;
5) Signed Tate after he quit another program; and
6) Tweet bragged about all of the above.

We need to learn our lesson going forward. There are no short-cuts. The only way to build a culture is to be careful and consistent about who you let in the building. That is the secret at Clemson.

 

[Empirical Cane]

Character matters. Our top three character guys were our first three picks this weekend. Jeff Thomas and Trevon Hill still haven’t found a team.

We were excited at the time, but in retrospect, the culture was poisoned when Manny did the following:

1) Convinced Jarren to stay;
2) Signed an OC with the idea that he would “fix” Jarren and the other QBs;
3) Begged Jeff to come back;
4) Signed Hill after he got kicked out of another program;
5) Signed Tate after he quit another program; and
5) Tweet bragged about all of the above.

We need to learn our lesson going forward. There are no short-cuts. The only way to build a culture is to be careful and consistent about who you let in the building. That is the secret at Clemson.

I think I read this somewhere before...

hmmmm

 

[The Franchise]

I agree with the overall sentiment and have been tooting the character horn for 25 years on these boards. Character in football is a HUGE factor. In fact, it's part of the reason Booch David has been the best evaluator in history. He always said that if he had to choose between a slightly better athlete with bad character or a slightly lesser athlete with great character, he's picking the latter.

I don't agree with 5 because any transfer is technically a "quitter." There are good transfers with good character. You just have to be a better evaluator.

Again, it all comes down to evaluation, and character is a huge component in the evaluation process. The rummies of CIS just see stars or 40 times, and that's all they care about.

 

[The Franchise]

I think I read this somewhere before...

hmmmm

Is this another attempt at self-congratulation? You're priceless, Empy.

 

[SinisterCane]

Character matters. Our top three character guys were our first three picks this weekend. Jeff Thomas and Trevon Hill still haven’t found a team.

We were excited at the time, but in retrospect, the culture was poisoned when Manny did the following:

1) Convinced Jarren to stay;
2) Signed an OC with the idea that he would “fix” Jarren and the other QBs;
3) Begged Jeff to come back;
4) Signed Hill after he got kicked out of another program;
5) Signed Tate after he quit another program; and
5) Tweet bragged about all of the above.

We need to learn our lesson going forward. There are no short-cuts. The only way to build a culture is to be careful and consistent about who you let in the building. That is the secret at Clemson.

To summarize....Manny has no character

 

[Mandingo]

Sure. Plenty of guys with “character” issues got drafted over the weekend. Bottom line is that their production outweighed their perceived lack of character. JT & Hill’s production didn’t.

Miami has been a total **** show on offense for YEARS. Most of our WRs have gone undrafted or in late rounds. Check the numbers. We have been awful. JT would have been better off going somewhere else for multiple reasons - production, location, and mentoring.

 

[canecrazy23]

Character matters. Our top three character guys were our first three picks this weekend. Jeff Thomas and Trevon Hill still haven’t found a team.

We were excited at the time, but in retrospect, the culture was poisoned when Manny did the following:

1) Convinced Jarren to stay;
2) Signed an OC with the idea that he would “fix” Jarren and the other QBs;
3) Begged Jeff to come back;
4) Signed Hill after he got kicked out of another program;
5) Signed Tate after he quit another program; and
5) Tweet bragged about all of the above.

We need to learn our lesson going forward. There are no short-cuts. The only way to build a culture is to be careful and consistent about who you let in the building. That is the secret at Clemson.

I agree 100% although every once in a while you get lucky with a horrible character guy leading you to a championship. I.e. Jameis Winston

 

[1LuvCane]

To summarize....Manny has no character

If he did? He did a bad job of showing it's importance on a team....

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

Character matters. Our top three character guys were our first three picks this weekend. Jeff Thomas and Trevon Hill still haven’t found a team.

We were excited at the time, but in retrospect, the culture was poisoned when Manny did the following:

1) Convinced Jarren to stay;
2) Signed an OC with the idea that he would “fix” Jarren and the other QBs;
3) Begged Jeff to come back;
4) Signed Hill after he got kicked out of another program;
5) Signed Tate after he quit another program; and
5) Tweet bragged about all of the above.

We need to learn our lesson going forward. There are no short-cuts. The only way to build a culture is to be careful and consistent about who you let in the building. That is the secret at Clemson.

This is one of those “truisms” that has validity, but isn‘t factual.

LEADERSHIP from the very top (Richt, Diaz) is more important than a few strays. At a few other programs these guys would fall in line.

 

[Kansas Cane]

Encouraging note is that our current FR class, at this point, seems to be full of high character guys with HIGH leadership ceilings: Restrepo, Chantz, Elijah Roberts, TAC, Flagg, Jalen, Chaney, Redding, TVD. Not sure, from a character standpoint, we had a questionable take last year.

Perhaps that's evidence that we have learned our lesson and have the vision and now some action steps to move past the high talent/low character trap that has plagued us.

 

[1LuvCane]

***** tried covering a sliced artery with a WalMart band aid....

 

[DMoney]

I don't agree with 5 because any transfer is technically a "quitter."

Not necessarily. King, Roche and Osborn wanted to play against better competition. Phillips never lost his job but left because UCLA was a circus. Bolden may prove to be a character issue, but the football program vouched for him passionately and got overruled by school politics.

Transfers are going to be a key competitive advantage for this school going forward. But we should be wary of a guys who are leaving school because they got beat out or didn’t want to compete.

 

[BoxingRobes]

Character matters. Our top three character guys were our first three picks this weekend. Jeff Thomas and Trevon Hill still haven’t found a team.

We were excited at the time, but in retrospect, the culture was poisoned when Manny did the following:

1) Convinced Jarren to stay;
2) Signed an OC with the idea that he would “fix” Jarren and the other QBs;
3) Begged Jeff to come back;
4) Signed Hill after he got kicked out of another program;
5) Signed Tate after he quit another program; and
5) Tweet bragged about all of the above.

We need to learn our lesson going forward. There are no short-cuts. The only way to build a culture is to be careful and consistent about who you let in the building. That is the secret at Clemson.

This year's draft had a heavy focus on what teams KNEW. They had less information than usual with no pro days and limited opportunities to see players. The lack of medical re-evals hurt a lot of players that still had pre-existing conditions (lol).

The result...less non-FBS players than any year in recent memory...less non-combine invitees drafted...more P5 players, especially from the top 4-5-6 teams than ever before.

What you saw in Rounds 3-5 was teams go after good character guys that may not have a ton of upside, but are guys they can likely make their teams. Especially with a lot of those teams with a lot of Day 3 picks not exactly moving around a lot, they stayed and just made picks. In Rounds 6-7 instead of taking some risks, they basically took more P5 guys they've seen before.

As it pertains to this team...we've had a lot of ******* JAGS over the years. No pride in their work types. Dudes that leave early knowing they shouldn't. Guys that are one foot out the door as soon as they sign their letter of intent. Those guys have nearly universally not been panning out for us or in the NFL.

100% agree with the premise of this thread, we've gotta stay away from these guys. We can be really critical of Shaq's play here...he's a grown man that can take it...but at the end of the day, he was a 4 year starter, gave us 100% of what he had...and was ultimately rewarded...4th round pick. If he leaves early, he's undrafted. We aren't 6-7 with a lot more Shaq Quartermans. Extend this to Chad Thomas or transfers like KJ Osborn and Adrian Colbert.

 

[Mandingo]

This is one of those “truisms” that has validity, but isn‘t factual.

LEADERSHIP from the very top (Richt, Diaz) is more important than a few strays. At a few other programs these guys would fall in line.

Exactly. Which is why I said JT would have been better off going somewhere else. Think about it. Richt’s S&C coach wasn’t even showing up for workouts at times. The LEADERSHIP has been ultra trash.

 

[The Franchise]

Not necessarily. King, Roche and Osborn wanted to play against better competition. Phillips never lost his job but left because UCLA was a circus. Bolden may prove to be a character issue, but the football program vouched for him passionately and got overruled by school politics.

Transfers are going to be a key competitive advantage for this school going forward. But we should be wary of a guys who are leaving school because they got beat out or didn’t want to compete.

Your words: "Signed Tate after he quit another program." Kyler Murray quit Tex AM. Baker Mayfield quit TTU. Joe Burrow quit Ohio Taint.

Every transfer we've signed quit another program. Tate was being praised for his character when he got here. Tate was just a bad fit here with Penos, and probably is just a bad QB period. Seems like he wound up suffering some personal/psychological issues during the season, so I'm not going to judge him too harshly.

 

[The Franchise]

Exactly. Which is why I said JT would have been better off going somewhere else. Think about it. Richt’s S&C coach wasn’t even showing up for workouts at times. The LEADERSHIP has been ultra trash.

Our HCs have been **** leaders forever. Fans are too easy on HCs. They think they're getting paid $4M per year just to scheme in a lab. Their primary job is leadership and direction. Dabo couldn't scheme his way out of a wet paper bag.

 

[DMoney]

Your words: "Signed Tate after he quit another program." Kyler Murray quit Tex AM. Baker Mayfield quit TTU. Joe Burrow quit Ohio Taint.

Good examples. There is also a longer list of Jake Heaps types that didn’t do anything.

George Brown and Asa Martin are some more Miami examples. We’ve done well with transfers, but not the guys who left because of competition elsewhere.

 

[The Franchise]

Good examples. There is also a longer list of Jake Heaps types that didn’t do anything.

George Brown is another Miami example. We’ve done well with transfers, but not the guys who left because of competition elsewhere.

Most QBs transfer because of competition. Only one can play. Tate left Ohio Taint because Day went out and got Fields to be his starter. Anyone else, who wanted to play, would have done the same thing.

George Brown has nothing to do with Tate. QB is just different. Heaps just sucked. Not sure he was a character deal.

 

[We the Boss]

#culture

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

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