Bills fans calling for Dorsey’s firing

[Sabetta]

josh allen basically regressed post daboll but not sure that its really on dorsey. allen is just an idiot

This isn’t true at all. The loss of Beasley is the issue and they never replaced him — He used to get 120 targets. All of Josh’s regular stats, including his adavanced stats have gone up. He led the league in total TDs and completion % going into the Bengals game

 

[Ironmanfootball]

You need to take fumbles for QB’s and adjust them.

Tua does not have eight fumbles. They attribute the bad snaps to Tua as fumbles. They attribute the RB fumbling the handoff to Tua.

They do that for all QB’s of course, but most QB’s don’t have the snap issues the Dolphins have had.

Josh Allen is #1 in QBR (which takes the lost EPA from turnovers and sacks into consideration). He’s a cyborg QB who is awesome in my eyes.

You can go through every single snap and determine what constitutes a bad snap, or one that the QB could have recovered, for every QB.
Then define and review every handoff and determine when the Q messes up the mesh vs the RB.
You might have time for that but no one else does.

The provided stats are what we can work with. Even if Tua has "four fumbles" it's more than Allen. But Tua has 8.
Under your methods we'd have to go through routes and determine when a pick was thrown bc the WR broke off a fade into a comeback and shouldn't have and the Q let the ball go, or when the Q just Van Dyke'd it into the wrong guy's waiting arms.

But yes- Allen is better than whatever that jamoke says that he is

 

[BWCD]

This isn’t true at all. The loss of Beasley is the issue and they never replaced him — He used to get 120 targets. All of Josh’s regular stats, including his adavanced stats have gone up. He led the league in total TDs and completion % going into the Bengals game

Well, to your point in your post before this one, Shakir looks like he's taking that Beasley role in their offense and he's acquitted himself pretty well this season in that role.

I think they expected to get more out of Cook at the RB spot too. And with Allen not doing as much running himself, there aren't a lot of defenses that are scared of Buffalo running the football. It makes coverage that much easier when they throw more and know Allen isn't going to pull it down and run. He's facing more bodies in coverage...but they're still near the top of the league throwing the ball. Imagine if they did get a running game going?

To back up my last point - per ESPN's team offensive rankings, the Bills are 5th in the league in 3 categories: PPG, Passing YPG, and Total YPG. Rushing YPG? 16th this year. Last year, 7th.

That makes me wonder if McDermott/Dorsey have asked Allen specifically to protect himself in the regular season, and they'll cut him loose more in the postseason when he's not as beat up as he has been in years' past. Or, maybe Allen made that conscious decision on his own not to run as often out of self preservation. I dunno if that theory holds much weight, but it could be part of it.

 

[Tad Footeball]

josh allen basically regressed post daboll but not sure that its really on dorsey. allen is just an idiot

The Turnover King of the NFL. He's a young(ish) Ben Roethlisberger minus the intelligence (and Ben isn't exactly a MENSA member) and way more reckless in decision making (on the field).

Buffalo fans used to be kinda lovable and wacky and sad until they started getting false expectations and unearned bravado. Now they want to pretend like they're some national fanbase of diehards or something too. Please. Bills "Mafia" was non-existent as an actual fanbase that travels/is national for all those years they sucked....and those years are coming back fast as they missed their window and will soon be in salary cap ****.

 

[CanesFan20]

I don't think the OC matters much anymore tbh. The OC is going to run the offense Mario wants, it's going to be an outdated physical pro style offense with a tiny bit of spread concepts just to say he uses them. We honestly should of seen this coming, we did hire an OL coach to be HC.

 

[RedSquare]

View attachment 264889Bills fans are wrong, by the way. Their offense isn’t the problem.

this.

thanks @Lance Roffers (mr. sanity of CIS)

 

[Rellyrell]

View attachment 264889Bills fans are wrong, by the way. Their offense isn’t the problem.

This chart loses credibility the moment The Bears r listed in the top 15 in anything.

 

[TrumpyCane]

Not sure what TrumpyCane has done to have two anemic offenses to watch Saturday(Canes) and Sundays(Jets)

 

[RedSquare]

Charlie Weiss says hi.

Not a great comparison.

Charlie Weis was a clown who lucked into one of the 2-3 GOATS in NFL QB history.

And once he didn't have the Pats defense to give him a lot of latitude in his schematics, and actually had to recruit his own players and coach them up, he blew chunks.

Ken is different. He's had to coach up a certifiable moron to NFL standards, (Cam Newton), but also try and contain a guy who never saw a crazy pass he didn't want to try to make (Josh Allen). He also has one thing that Weis never had: experience as a QB coach.

Not to say Ken is an automatic to be a success in college coaching, that's never a guarantee, no matter who you are. But it's not a comparison I would adopt.

 

[Empirical Cane]

Not a great comparison.

Charlie Weis was a clown who lucked into one of the 2-3 GOATS in NFL QB history.

And once he didn't have the Pats defense to give him a lot of latitude in his schematics, and actually had to recruit his own players and coach them up, he blew chunks.

Ken is different. He's had to coach up a certifiable moron to NFL standards, (Cam Newton), but also try and contain a guy who never saw a crazy pass he didn't want to try to make (Josh Allen). He also has one thing that Weis never had: experience as a QB coach.

Not to say Ken is an automatic to be a success in college coaching, that's never a guarantee, no matter who you are. But it's not a comparison I would adopt.

Charlie Weiss' "decided schematic advantage" would disagree my friend.

He also rose through the corching ranks himself. If rumors are true, selling out both Parcells and Bellichek in a bid to become a HC at points in his career.

 

[Empirical Cane]

Not sure what TrumpyCane has done to have two anemic offenses to watch Saturday(Canes) and Sundays(Jets)

You have angered the football gods.

They demand sacrifice or at least you dunking on dumb *** FSU fans on X over their bat **** tweets.

 

[PIPO]

The Dolphins are my guilty pleasure so I was semi-joking around.

Serious answer is that I don’t mind what the Bills do offensively. They pass the **** out of the ball. They use their RB’s as extensions of the pass game. They look for explosives with their RB’s on early downs and use their best pass-blocking RB on pass downs. They run spread and let Allen use his size and strength in the run game. Their offensive playcalling is fairly vanilla and lacking imagination, but I still think they’re very good.

When it comes to Miami, I’ve said before but the only acceptable offense for me in college is a pace-and-space offense that utilizes the college rules advantages. Wider hash marks open up so many field side advantages with speed.

Ability to go three yards upfield as an OL makes the RPO game an endless supply of opportunities.

Blocking downfield if the throw is behind the LOS. We had a brilliant play against Texas A&M that the announcers didn’t even realize you could do when they ran a drag route across field but had him veer to behind LOS and catch it. It’s free money.

Motion at a ridiculous rate at home.

Use pace to get personnel on field for defense you like and make them “stuck” by not subbing yourself and getting to ball. If they sub, snap it.

These are fairly straightforward and simple things that college rules literally give to an offense. You don’t need tons of talent for them. You don’t need an NFL OL. You just need to accept the rules and be smart.

Finally, I’d have a dedicated analyst who watches every offense but mine. I’d expect that analyst to have 20 plays to present Sunday night as possibilities for our team and how we’d use them.

If you aren’t utilizing the college rules which allow for an army of analysts, you’re just not serious enough.

These are the things I’d have as non-negotiable. They involve innovation. Being humble enough to incorporate others into your process. Adapting to rules and taking advantage of them.

So do you want the job??

Please say yes!

 

[RedSquare]

Charlie Weiss' "decided schematic advantage" would disagree my friend.

He also rose through the corching ranks himself. If rumors are true, selling out both Parcells and Bellichek in a bid to become a HC at points in his career.

it is true. which is why neither one of them will talk to him ever again.

and I think the "decided schematic advantage". was self professed. not something the football gods would agree was facts.

but no matter. ken's an NFL guy and I expect him to stay there. (until he doesn't).

 

[SWFLHurricane]

Not a great comparison.

Charlie Weis was a clown who lucked into one of the 2-3 GOATS in NFL QB history.

And once he didn't have the Pats defense to give him a lot of latitude in his schematics, and actually had to recruit his own players and coach them up, he blew chunks.

Ken is different. He's had to coach up a certifiable moron to NFL standards, (Cam Newton), but also try and contain a guy who never saw a crazy pass he didn't want to try to make (Josh Allen). He also has one thing that Weis never had: experience as a QB coach.

Not to say Ken is an automatic to be a success in college coaching, that's never a guarantee, no matter who you are. But it's not a comparison I would adopt.

KD coached Newton to an NFL MVP

 

[twes.305]

Josh Allen is playing at basically an MVP level. Week 1 he went a little too gunslinger against the Jets. But he's been playing great, and its between him, Lamar, and maybe Hurts for who looks like the best QB in the NFL after 9 weeks

Also the Bills are a top 3-5 offense in the NFL lol. And other than Josh Allen and Stefon Diggs, they don't really have much offensively. They have an average at best OLine, a Rookie TE, and an average WR2.

They've had a **** load of injuries on defense.

There rookie TE is legit in the passing game. He’s basically another WR.

 

[Nickkcin]

Bills fans who are calling for his head are stupid as ****, Dorsey is supremely handcuffed by McDermott wanting to be the Panthers of Newton days. Power run and use his superstar qb to supplement the offense. McDermott has to leave Buffalo for them to succeed and Dorsey to be successful. His shotgun offense is effective as **** and when he's trying to use under center it's not as good. Being a Bills fan is frustrating right now

 

[gogeta4]

Because they are trying to make Cok something he isn’t, a feature back. He’s soft and limited and can’t pass block for ****. We lost Harris and now its just Cook and Murray whos 36 years old. Beane has an awful track record drafting RBs and its continuing.

This was a problem BEFORE Cook was even drafted.

Buffalo under the hc doesnt care to run the ball. I told my cuz man yall got a good back in Cook during the draft he was indifferent to it and said yea i guess we'll hit him on some dump off passes out of the backfield lol. It is what it is. Hey im a dolphins fan makes better for my squad

 

[Calinative]

There rookie TE is legit in the passing game. He’s basically another WR.

He’s becoming that the last 2-3 weeks, yes. But as a whole this season, he wasn’t. Rookie TEs take time to develop. Maybe he will become one of the better TEs in the NFL - he was the first TE selected in a stacked TE class for a reason. But for the season as a whole TE has been average. The Bills 100% need OLine and WR help. It’s very obvious

 

[DC3]

Dolphins need to beat a team with a winning record first if they have any dreams of winning the Divison this year.

Dorsey and Allen have been almost as frustraiting to watch as TVD and Dawson have this season. Dorsey is scheming guys open but Allen just isn't seeing them. They also switched to more 12 personel this year which has been mixed results and they shouldn't go back with Knox being hurt, which hopefully gets them back on track to how they were sucessful last year which was 11 personel sets.

The criisicm is justified though, Bills are on the lowest scoring stretch since Allens rookie year and with whats probably the hardest schedule in the NFL , it might not get better. Dorsey's playcalling is headscratching for sure and Allen's ints arent helping. They tend to go conservative when Allen throws a int by failing to establish the run instead of just letting him throw it.

There for sure is world where he gets fired if things don't get better in the next 3 weeks leading up to the week 12 bye.

 

[miamicanephins]

Dolphins need to beat a team with a winning record first if they have any dreams of winning the Divison this year.

Dorsey and Allen have been almost as frustraiting to watch as TVD and Dawson have this season. Dorsey is scheming guys open but Allen just isn't seeing them. They also switched to more 12 personel this year which has been mixed results and they shouldn't go back with Knox being hurt, which hopefully gets them back on track to how they were sucessful last year which was 11 personel sets.

The criisicm is justified though, Bills are on the lowest scoring stretch since Allens rookie year and with whats probably the hardest schedule in the NFL , it might not get better. Dorsey's playcalling is headscratching for sure and Allen's ints arent helping. They tend to go conservative when Allen throws a int by failing to establish the run instead of just letting him throw it.

There for sure is world where he gets fired if things don't get better in the next 3 weeks leading up to the week 12 bye.

Hopefully, Ken can get out of that **** hole and not waste his career there like the great Jim Kelly did.

The only success the bills franchise has ever had was throwing ****** on the field