This rule is very American if U check history. Its un-American according to the idea of what America is.
Also I know from first-hand accounts, friends, and family that the 6 figure education part of the deal is a somewhat farce for 80% of college players. I'm not gonna get into the specific stories but in short, the most talented athletes are strongly encouraged and in many cases I know of, made/forced to select a pre-determined schedule of classes and major, none of which will provide any strong basis for employment or wealth if football doesn't pan out. The school schedules clearly reflect what the focus of the scholarship agreement as student ATHLETES.
One side of these agreements (the university) is promised to be made wealthy, while the others (players) future is still in question.
By the time a player graduates, he has paid for his 6 figure education probably 3 times with the revenue they bring in. Dalvin Cook alone has probably made FSU 10 times the expenses of his education in only 2 seasons.
Or they could play for the UM professional football team during the season, and during the season and attend community college during the off season. At least then they could learn at a pace and a level that is more suitable for them and the education might actually mean something.
[]_[] swag;2596640 said:The problem I have with the whole thing is forcing kids to stay at school for a chance at the nfl. A lot of them have no interest in school and aren't getting really any value out of being there. The free market would pay them real money for a minor league sort of system.
[]_[] swag;2596640 said:The problem I have with the whole thing is forcing kids to stay at school for a chance at the nfl. A lot of them have no interest in school and aren't getting really any value out of being there. The free market would pay them real money for a minor league sort of system.
Just because private colleges like Miami can charge what ever they want, doesn't mean the education is valued at that. These kids aren't receiving 200k dollars worth of anything. No difference between that 200k and 45k at UF.
Players receive over $200,000 worth of eduction, housing and food. The idea these guys get nothing is ridiculous.
Then why not just give them the 200k in cash since you seem to think its all the same.
[]_[] swag;2596640 said:The problem I have with the whole thing is forcing kids to stay at school for a chance at the nfl. A lot of them have no interest in school and aren't getting really any value out of being there. The free market would pay them real money for a minor league sort of system.
[]_[] swag;2596640 said:The problem I have with the whole thing is forcing kids to stay at school for a chance at the nfl. A lot of them have no interest in school and aren't getting really any value out of being there. The free market would pay them real money for a minor league sort of system.
They aren't forced to ever attend college. They could go player in the CFL and once 3 years after HS passes they could go to the NFL. College is by far the best choice as they get a chance to get an education.
[]_[] swag;2596640 said:The problem I have with the whole thing is forcing kids to stay at school for a chance at the nfl. A lot of them have no interest in school and aren't getting really any value out of being there. The free market would pay them real money for a minor league sort of system.
Amen!
Also, Its not only that they might not have interest in school, the fact is that the schooling they are receiving is way above their level.
I don't care how much the lesson cost, trying to teach me theoretical quantum physics is waste of my time and yours.
The schools are essential paying these kids with company scrip, which is utterly useless outside of the company store.
Lots of stupid in this thread, especially those attempting to rationalize what these young men did.
They knew the rules, and they knowingly broke it.
I would have some semblance of sympathy if a kid took money so his mom could pay the light
bill or if he needed to feed a mouth or two.
But this was nothing but pure greed.
And for those bemoaning these rules regarding benefits, do you not realize if the rules didn't exist
UM, and most private schools, would no longer have realistic opportunities for national titles?
Heck, maybe not even top25.
Stop posting garbage.
[]_[] swag;2596640 said:The problem I have with the whole thing is forcing kids to stay at school for a chance at the nfl. A lot of them have no interest in school and aren't getting really any value out of being there. The free market would pay them real money for a minor league sort of system.
Amen!
Also, Its not only that they might not have interest in school, the fact is that the schooling they are receiving is way above their level.
I don't care how much the lesson cost, trying to teach me theoretical quantum physics is waste of my time and yours.
The schools are essential paying these kids with company scrip, which is utterly useless outside of the company store.
You seem to be lowering the bar with your rant.
There are lots of kids benefiting from the free education.
I would argue most of them are in some form or another.
Players receive over $200,000 worth of eduction, housing and food. The idea these guys get nothing is ridiculous.
The point is that college football IS a minor league football system that is pretending not to be one so that they don't have to do what minor league baseball does by including cash in those contracts.A lot of minor league baseball contracts include full tuition for college in the event that they quit baseball. Without a minor league football league players don't have this option which is why attending college is the best choice. You also have better coaches in college so you are more likely to make the NFL by attending a P5 school. Very few players were good enough to play in the NFL on their own. Almost everyone in the NFL can think their college coach for getting them there.
Some choices, aren't real choices.Players receive over $200,000 worth of eduction, housing and food. The idea these guys get nothing is ridiculous.
More. MUCH more. They get tons of free clothes, gear, etc. They get tons of additional help not available to other students in terms of tutors and advisors. They get access to classes, on-campus housing and medical not offered to other students. They get stipends now. Eventhough it's not supposed to be allowed, they get discounts at local stores/restuarants/events because they are either told it's covered or get reduced bills without asking....things that are almost impossible to trace without someone keeping tabs and ratting like Nevin. I won't even talk about the fake grades and diplomas some earn. The list goes on. I lived it at my school, saw it at others and heard about it endless times.
The problem is, many of these kids live in a dream world and think they are owed so much more, so they never truly take advantage of what they have at their fingertips. Most of these kids will never make the league, but how many really take advantage of the education and all the resources at their disposal? How many of these kids would even have a shot at an education without college football? Yes, i understand the NCAA makes a ton of money on these games. I'm not stupid. But you can say that about any business, any system out there, even for non-athletes. College football makes a lot of money because these Universities have rabid fans, alums and students who shell out tons of money to support them. Try starting a minor league system and see how much money it makes.....i bet these kids would hate it, having to use their 30-40k a year to pay rent, utilities, taxes, medical, food, etc. Also lost in this is how much of the money these schools put back into their programs and how many are actually in the red. Didn't a school like UCONN or someone lose money the other year by GOING to a BCS Bowl Game?
You take the rules off and it becomes the wild west....an arms race that will end badly. There will be much bigger divides between the "haves" and "have nots", not only amongst the schools, but individually with players on the same team. If you don't think that would cause a rift, you are sorely mistaken. If you think kids wouldn't continue to push the envelope and want even more or do other things against rules/laws, you are also mistaken. Nothing ever seems to be enough in today's world and less seem to want to work for it every year.
College football is a choice. You either chose to enter that world or you don't. But if you chose to, you chose to do so with the understanding and acceptance of the rules in place.