Barry Jackson

[252cane]

Fuente has done more with worse talent to work with than what Richt has.

Hate the excuses

VT was 7-6 in 2014 and 7-6 2015.
Miami was 6-7 in 2014 and 8-5 in 2015 (thanks Duke and ACCrefs! ) My math is not so good, but Looks like teams have same record Over 2 Yrs. seems like close to same Amount of Talent (though they have Very Mobile Qb)

We had similar records. That definitely proves we had equal talent. Good work.

VT is ranked 34th, We're ranked 19th. Not exactly a huge discrepancy.
2016 College Football Team Talent Composite

You can find a poll where Trump is ahead too. That list is just an opinion like ours. However, 19 is almost half of 34, so it's a pretty big discrepancy. That shouldn't translate to a 21 point loss by the team at 19.

That doesnt take into account guys that have not turn out to be good and lower ranked guys that have become good players. Those rankings are just about where guy was ranked coming out of high school.

And miami average is a 87. Unc and vt are at 85. That a clear indicator that the talent is more equal than what many want to believe.

 

[Bennubird]

It's more than than that though. Brad is shook. You can see it in his body language. And to be clear, there is no bigger Brad Kaaya fan on this board than me. I've said many times that i believe he's lost confidence in his OL protecting him, so oftentimes he appears to have decided pre-snap where he's going with the ball. I've thought that at least since the App State game. The play calling and his play have prevented us from establishing any sort of offensive rhythm.

Agreed. No one should be fooled by this. Our OL did better last year. He could help them out with his play calling.

LOL at UM starting this "we have no players woe is us" nonsense again.

If our OL isn't strong enough that's because Rick deemphasized power training and concentrated more on endurance work under Felden. That's a choice they made.

The whole thing is a sorry *** attempt by UM to do what UM's been doing now for 14 years--manage the fans by disseminating information through puppets like Jackson. We've been hearing them toss our rosters in the media wood chipper for 14 years now. It shouldn't work anymore but it will because they know how stupid and gullible people are.

Quit scapegoating current players. It backfires. All they have to do is say it's early in the Rick Era and he needs time to get it rolling. Use the Saban 7-6 **** if you have to or point to Rick's second year turnaround at UGA. But, jesucristo, stop this stupid **** of scapegoating current players through unnamed "sources".

the problem is that last year and year before they micomanaged brad. Richt is trying to give him the RPO option at the line and the kid can do it.
as a JR, the kid cant handle it. thats not good.

 

[252cane]

Agreed. No one should be fooled by this. Our OL did better last year. He could help them out with his play calling.

LOL at UM starting this "we have no players woe is us" nonsense again.

If our OL isn't strong enough that's because Rick deemphasized power training and concentrated more on endurance work under Felden. That's a choice they made.

The whole thing is a sorry *** attempt by UM to do what UM's been doing now for 14 years--manage the fans by disseminating information through puppets like Jackson. We've been hearing them toss our rosters in the media wood chipper for 14 years now. It shouldn't work anymore but it will because they know how stupid and gullible people are.

Quit scapegoating current players. It backfires. All they have to do is say it's early in the Rick Era and he needs time to get it rolling. Use the Saban 7-6 **** if you have to or point to Rick's second year turnaround at UGA. But, jesucristo, stop this stupid **** of scapegoating current players through unnamed "sources".

the problem is that last year and year before they micomanaged brad. Richt is trying to give him the RPO option at the line and the kid can do it.
as a JR, the kid cant handle it. thats not good.

Its not just rpo ****. Richt is asking him do a lot. He was sort of going through some of the stuff the other day. Its a lot of **** to do especially being in a new offense and playing behind a ****** o-line.

 

[Canesfan1899]

Nothing earth shattering but agree with you guys that we don't need the propaganda machine started already. If the OL is a mess we need to scheme around it to the best of Richt's abilities.

Maybe run some screens to the backs to slow down the rush, maybe some quick drags, or slants.

 

[theibisrules]

Water is wet, he didn't report anything we all don't know.

Right...he writes as if no one has watched a single game.

 

[cflacane2]

Fuente has done more with worse talent to work with than what Richt has.

Hate the excuses

VT was 7-6 in 2014 and 7-6 2015.
Miami was 6-7 in 2014 and 8-5 in 2015 (thanks Duke and ACCrefs! ) My math is not so good, but Looks like teams have same record Over 2 Yrs. seems like close to same Amount of Talent (though they have Very Mobile Qb)

We had similar records. That definitely proves we had equal talent. Good work.

VT is ranked 34th, We're ranked 19th. Not exactly a huge discrepancy.
2016 College Football Team Talent Composite

You can find a poll where Trump is ahead too. That list is just an opinion like ours. However, 19 is almost half of 34, so it's a pretty big discrepancy. That shouldn't translate to a 21 point loss by the team at 19.

The ranking is purely based off of the 247 composite. If you believe all the criticism you've given golden for not developing players during his tenure i'm certain you could see that if you added a "development" factor into these rankings we'd be ranked far below #19 . Obviously the offensive staff shares much of the blame but it's not like we've been trotting out some kind of physically dominant team that can line up and win the one on one battles with consistency. This team talent wise is middle of the road and in college football these days that means more often than not you can lose any game anytime. BTW UNC is ranked 29th in "talent" , FSU #5 , ND #9 .

If was going to associate blame for our offense

OT 40%
Playcalling/Lack familiarity with rosters stregths/weakness 20%
Kayaa's lack of mobility/awareness compounding the two issues above. 20%
WR/TE Drops 20%

 

[Consigliere]

Remember during the preseason when some fans were denying "depth" becoming an issue? Lesson learned.

How has this depth issue been such a factor on offense? Especially against the bad defenses we've faced?

In the preseason, most were claiming the one injury we couldn't afford was Kaaya. Now everyone hates him.

Depth hasn't affected the Offense, at least not significantly. It has crushed the Defense. My point wasn't to excuse the incompetence of Richt and our Offense, more so as a team in general. Miami needs a couple of more classes to have the depth to be considered a serious contender for a national title.

Yeah. Anyone who was expecting a NC this year is a ****** and not worth discussing. I think most expected a much more competent offense and a Coastal title. If we had that competent offense we'd still be in the running for that goal of the Coastal.

Exactly. No rational person expected an NC this year. With that said, there is no reason why we shouldn't be in the running for the Coastal.

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

Remember when Miami has the #1 overall recruiting class not too long ago and we assumed it meant we'd win a championship? The biggest reason Miami has been underperformimg is player development. Bad habits are really hard to break especially once they've been reinforced for three years. Golden absolutely sucked at player development. He may actually be among the worst ever if you look at number of drafted players off a sub .500 team. Does anyone disagree with that assessment? So if we agree that Golden was historically bad and players either didn't learn or learned bad habits, then is it fair to say that Richt has inherited a team that has spent five years under a historically terrible coaching staff? So far these are all true statements, not excuses. The question, and this is where we seem to have vastly different opinions, is whether it is fair to say Richt should be getting more out of the players. I think he's doing all he can with what has in front of him and is probably as baffled as the rest of us as to why players that, on paper, should be very good are performing so poorly.

 

[Consigliere]

Part true. Part Propaganda.

The fact we have to resort to any spin already brings me way down on excitement going forward. No one here really expected a run at the playoffs. Now we're not good enough to compete in the Coastal? Funny @ WRs not getting open enough with the route combinations we've been running. Either 5Vert (not even 4Vert) or everyone play outside the hashes and no deeper than 12 yards.

Good stuff.

Yup. So tired of the excuses. No one expected an undefeated team. Everyone knew we had serious depth issues. We can forgive losses due to lack of depth and or talent, what people are not forgiving is costing us at least two games due to play calling. Sure the talent on offense isn't up to par, but if you're getting paid $4 million a year, then you should be able to get something more out of an offense than a guy (Coley) that had no business calling plays.

The offense actually wasnt good at all under coley. The same problems on 3rd down and the redzone. The o-line had the same problem vs better comp trying to pass protect and got no push in run game.

There was more big plays in the pass game than what we are seeing now but that offense still had problems scoring.

The offense wasn't good under Coley but it outperformed what you see so far against the ACC competition. Remember this is essentially the same exact offensive personnel.

 

[The Franchise]

VT was 7-6 in 2014 and 7-6 2015.
Miami was 6-7 in 2014 and 8-5 in 2015 (thanks Duke and ACCrefs! ) My math is not so good, but Looks like teams have same record Over 2 Yrs. seems like close to same Amount of Talent (though they have Very Mobile Qb)

We had similar records. That definitely proves we had equal talent. Good work.

VT is ranked 34th, We're ranked 19th. Not exactly a huge discrepancy.
2016 College Football Team Talent Composite

You can find a poll where Trump is ahead too. That list is just an opinion like ours. However, 19 is almost half of 34, so it's a pretty big discrepancy. That shouldn't translate to a 21 point loss by the team at 19.

That doesnt take into account guys that have not turn out to be good and lower ranked guys that have become good players. Those rankings are just about where guy was ranked coming out of high school.

And miami average is a 87. Unc and vt are at 85. That a clear indicator that the talent is more equal than what many want to believe.

Keep spinning. Your rap has always been that our talent is bad.

 

[1mg of Epi]

Remember during the preseason when some fans were denying "depth" becoming an issue? Lesson learned.

How has depth hurt this offense?

 

[Cribby]

LMAO, the defense is being killed by our offense and our offense is being killed by Richt.

Sounds like Richts play calling is going to be extremely limited by the OL. Can't zone block because not fast and athletic, can't man block because not strong enough, so basically means there is no way to get a run game except the backs doing it themselves. Since no threat of run game and 20% chance wrs will drop passes, defenses can just blitz an immobile qb all day. This is Richts doing?

Sounds like you believe every bit of propaganda you read.

Are you surprised ?

 

[The Franchise]

Part true. Part Propaganda.

The fact we have to resort to any spin already brings me way down on excitement going forward. No one here really expected a run at the playoffs. Now we're not good enough to compete in the Coastal? Funny @ WRs not getting open enough with the route combinations we've been running. Either 5Vert (not even 4Vert) or everyone play outside the hashes and no deeper than 12 yards.

Good stuff.

Yup. So tired of the excuses. No one expected an undefeated team. Everyone knew we had serious depth issues. We can forgive losses due to lack of depth and or talent, what people are not forgiving is costing us at least two games due to play calling. Sure the talent on offense isn't up to par, but if you're getting paid $4 million a year, then you should be able to get something more out of an offense than a guy (Coley) that had no business calling plays.

The offense actually wasnt good at all under coley. The same problems on 3rd down and the redzone. The o-line had the same problem vs better comp trying to pass protect and got no push in run game.

There was more big plays in the pass game than what we are seeing now but that offense still had problems scoring.

The offense wasn't good under Coley but it outperformed what you see so far against the ACC competition. Remember this is essentially the same exact offensive personnel.

These dudes act like people are lauding Coley when they point out how the offense was better under him. People hate Coley. They're pointing out a **** like Coley merely to show how abominable our offense has performed this year. It's not like we're comparing Rick to Don Coryell.

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

Part true. Part Propaganda.

The fact we have to resort to any spin already brings me way down on excitement going forward. No one here really expected a run at the playoffs. Now we're not good enough to compete in the Coastal? Funny @ WRs not getting open enough with the route combinations we've been running. Either 5Vert (not even 4Vert) or everyone play outside the hashes and no deeper than 12 yards.

Good stuff.

Yup. So tired of the excuses. No one expected an undefeated team. Everyone knew we had serious depth issues. We can forgive losses due to lack of depth and or talent, what people are not forgiving is costing us at least two games due to play calling. Sure the talent on offense isn't up to par, but if you're getting paid $4 million a year, then you should be able to get something more out of an offense than a guy (Coley) that had no business calling plays.

The offense actually wasnt good at all under coley. The same problems on 3rd down and the redzone. The o-line had the same problem vs better comp trying to pass protect and got no push in run game.

There was more big plays in the pass game than what we are seeing now but that offense still had problems scoring.

The offense wasn't good under Coley but it outperformed what you see so far against the ACC competition. Remember this is essentially the same exact offensive personnel.

Coleys first Year As Oc was Most Successful, when the Team Went 9-4 With Stephen Morris (probably As Unappreciated as ANy Qb in Miamis History) . With Kaaya, 6-7 Then 7-5 (rosier got one). Maybe Kaaya just Isnt A qb Who Can carry A Team On His back.

 

[Hurracanes]

Part true. Part Propaganda.

The fact we have to resort to any spin already brings me way down on excitement going forward. No one here really expected a run at the playoffs. Now we're not good enough to compete in the Coastal? Funny @ WRs not getting open enough with the route combinations we've been running. Either 5Vert (not even 4Vert) or everyone play outside the hashes and no deeper than 12 yards.

Good stuff.

Yup. So tired of the excuses. No one expected an undefeated team. Everyone knew we had serious depth issues. We can forgive losses due to lack of depth and or talent, what people are not forgiving is costing us at least two games due to play calling. Sure the talent on offense isn't up to par, but if you're getting paid $4 million a year, then you should be able to get something more out of an offense than a guy (Coley) that had no business calling plays.

The offense actually wasnt good at all under coley. The same problems on 3rd down and the redzone. The o-line had the same problem vs better comp trying to pass protect and got no push in run game.

There was more big plays in the pass game than what we are seeing now but that offense still had problems scoring.

The offense wasn't good under Coley but it outperformed what you see so far against the ACC competition. Remember this is essentially the same exact offensive personnel.

Coleys first Year As Oc was Most Successful, when the Team Went 9-4 With Stephen Morris (probably As Unappreciated as ANy Qb in Miamis History) . With Kaaya, 6-7 Then 7-5 (rosier got one). Maybe Kaaya just Isnt A qb Who Can carry A Team On His back.

Brock Berlin says hello. At least he beat FSU and Florida.

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

LMAO, the defense is being killed by our offense and our offense is being killed by Richt.

Sounds like Richts play calling is going to be extremely limited by the OL. Can't zone block because not fast and athletic, can't man block because not strong enough, so basically means there is no way to get a run game except the backs doing it themselves. Since no threat of run game and 20% chance wrs will drop passes, defenses can just blitz an immobile qb all day. This is Richts doing?

Sounds like you believe every bit of propaganda you read.

Are you surprised ?

So what you're saying is that you think the OL is actually really, really good at zone blocking and man blocking but Richt just can't get them to do it, so Jackson is trying to spin this in Richts favor.

 

[TheUuuuu]

Remember during the preseason when some fans were denying "depth" becoming an issue? Lesson learned.

How has depth hurt this offense?

I guess "depth" begins with our starters?

 

[Consigliere]

Part true. Part Propaganda.

The fact we have to resort to any spin already brings me way down on excitement going forward. No one here really expected a run at the playoffs. Now we're not good enough to compete in the Coastal? Funny @ WRs not getting open enough with the route combinations we've been running. Either 5Vert (not even 4Vert) or everyone play outside the hashes and no deeper than 12 yards.

Good stuff.

Yup. So tired of the excuses. No one expected an undefeated team. Everyone knew we had serious depth issues. We can forgive losses due to lack of depth and or talent, what people are not forgiving is costing us at least two games due to play calling. Sure the talent on offense isn't up to par, but if you're getting paid $4 million a year, then you should be able to get something more out of an offense than a guy (Coley) that had no business calling plays.

The offense actually wasnt good at all under coley. The same problems on 3rd down and the redzone. The o-line had the same problem vs better comp trying to pass protect and got no push in run game.

There was more big plays in the pass game than what we are seeing now but that offense still had problems scoring.

The offense wasn't good under Coley but it outperformed what you see so far against the ACC competition. Remember this is essentially the same exact offensive personnel.

These dudes act like people are lauding Coley when they point out how the offense was better under him. People hate Coley. They're pointing out a **** like Coley merely to show how abominable our offense has performed this year. It's not like we're comparing Rick to Don Coryell.

If they want data, here it is...

Here is how our offense performed against the following opponents:

2016: GT, FSU, UNC and VT

Yards Per Game: 340 YPG
Points Per Game: 21 PPG

Record: 1-3


2015: GT, FSU, UNC and VT

Yards Per Game: 408 YPG
Points Per Game 28 PPG

 

[Consigliere]

Part true. Part Propaganda.

The fact we have to resort to any spin already brings me way down on excitement going forward. No one here really expected a run at the playoffs. Now we're not good enough to compete in the Coastal? Funny @ WRs not getting open enough with the route combinations we've been running. Either 5Vert (not even 4Vert) or everyone play outside the hashes and no deeper than 12 yards.

Good stuff.

Yup. So tired of the excuses. No one expected an undefeated team. Everyone knew we had serious depth issues. We can forgive losses due to lack of depth and or talent, what people are not forgiving is costing us at least two games due to play calling. Sure the talent on offense isn't up to par, but if you're getting paid $4 million a year, then you should be able to get something more out of an offense than a guy (Coley) that had no business calling plays.

The offense actually wasnt good at all under coley. The same problems on 3rd down and the redzone. The o-line had the same problem vs better comp trying to pass protect and got no push in run game.

There was more big plays in the pass game than what we are seeing now but that offense still had problems scoring.

The offense wasn't good under Coley but it outperformed what you see so far against the ACC competition. Remember this is essentially the same exact offensive personnel.

Coleys first Year As Oc was Most Successful, when the Team Went 9-4 With Stephen Morris (probably As Unappreciated as ANy Qb in Miamis History) . With Kaaya, 6-7 Then 7-5 (rosier got one). Maybe Kaaya just Isnt A qb Who Can carry A Team On His back.

WTF are you talking about. We're comparing two offenses. Here are the stats:

2016: GT, FSU, UNC and VT

Yards Per Game: 340 YPG
Points Per Game: 21 PPG

Record: 1-3


2015: GT, FSU, UNC and VT

Yards Per Game: 408 YPG
Points Per Game 28 PPG

Why are we scoring a TD less per game? Why are YPG down ~17%

 

[Consigliere]

How come the defense becomes instantly better?