Barry Jackson on U team at present

[brock]

So that's why we went 10-1 during the regular season?

Look. This is retarded. The Pitt game was the culmination of multiple factors that finally came to a head. Laying it on one position is a gross oversimplification of the problems. Yes. We had a mediocre QB. But we also had an o-line that had us placed 79th overall and 115th nationally in rushing yards per game when you eliminate runs from the QB position. We had a 21 day layoff then played 9 straight without a break. We were 10-0 and ranked #2 in the CFP. That's more success than we've seen in quite a number of years. We had officially won the Coastal for the first time ever the previous week and already had our ticket punched to Charlotte. No matter what happened in that Pitt game, all we had to do was cruise through it, take 2 week break, then play Clemson for a spot in the CFP.

The whole team took that game off. Rosier wasn't the only one just going through the motions. He's just the only one who admitted it.

He wasn’t the only one for sure, the oline was bad and i felt the defense was playing pretty soft too. Their qb was running a few of our guys over after contact. Malik’s misses down the field definitely defined that game period and it was infuriating

 

[Loose Cannon]

He wasn’t the only one for sure, the oline was bad and i felt the defense was playing pretty soft too. Their qb was running a few of our guys over after contact. Malik’s misses down the field definitely defined that game period and it was infuriating

The misses down the field defined the game for you because of what had happened throughout the season: we start slow and turn up the heat in crunch time. During the Pitt game there were early miscues all over the place. Earlier in this thread I pointed out that just on our 1st series there was a hold, 2 drops, a run for no gain, and a missed assignment by the O-line that led to a Pitt DE getting a sack without anybody putting a hand on him. 7 plays, only 2 resulted in positive yardage.

The reason this game ****ed everyone off was when it was time to stop ****ing around and win the game, Rosier couldn't hit anything, and he got yanked because of it. I don't think anybody would try to state otherwise. But we never should have been in that position. I get that we're not yet that team that can just line it up and pound the trenches against the bluebloods, but Pitt? Yeah, I'm sorry. 16 yards from the backs is pathetic. I don't give a **** how inaccurate Rosier was, he didn't turn the ball over in 34 attempts. On a day when your QB is playing that poorly against a scrub 4-7 team, if you can't line it up and pound the rock against a team like that and escape with a win, then you're just not a very good football team. No need to try to dress it up as anything other than what it is, or try to oversimplify things pretending that just switching QBs would have made a difference. Pitt sacked our QB 4 times and held our running backs to 16 yards. Passing stats are irrelevant when you're playing that poorly.

 

[cane since birth]

So that's why we went 10-1 during the regular season?

Look. This is retarded. The Pitt game was the culmination of multiple factors that finally came to a head. Laying it on one position is a gross oversimplification of the problems. Yes. We had a mediocre QB. But we also had an o-line that had us placed 79th overall and 115th nationally in rushing yards per game when you eliminate runs from the QB position. We had a 21 day layoff then played 9 straight without a break. We were 10-0 and ranked #2 in the CFP. That's more success than we've seen in quite a number of years. We had officially won the Coastal for the first time ever the previous week and already had our ticket punched to Charlotte. No matter what happened in that Pitt game, all we had to do was cruise through it, take 2 week break, then play Clemson for a spot in the CFP.

The whole team took that game off. Rosier wasn't the only one just going through the motions. He's just the only one who admitted it.

He had the most opportunities to win the game the defense gave him a couple turnovers, pitt dared us to throw the ball by stacking the box all game long left their guys on islands, our defense did enough to keep us in it, they made malik try to beat them and he didn’t the retarded thing is you trying to pass blame to other factors, he was missing screen passes multiple times, any QB would have killed it with the looks he got in the game

 

[PGrady24]

You can hate Rosier as much as you want, but no one else gives us a better chance to win September 2nd as of right now.

 

[ThomasM]

So that's why we went 10-1 during the regular season?

Look. This is retarded. The Pitt game was the culmination of multiple factors that finally came to a head. Laying it on one position is a gross oversimplification of the problems. Yes. We had a mediocre QB. But we also had an o-line that had us placed 79th overall and 115th nationally in rushing yards per game when you eliminate runs from the QB position. We had a 21 day layoff then played 9 straight without a break. We were 10-0 and ranked #2 in the CFP. That's more success than we've seen in quite a number of years. We had officially won the Coastal for the first time ever the previous week and already had our ticket punched to Charlotte. No matter what happened in that Pitt game, all we had to do was cruise through it, take 2 week break, then play Clemson for a spot in the CFP.

The whole team took that game off. Rosier wasn't the only one just going through the motions. He's just the only one who admitted it.

I'm just saying you can't have your QB play so many poor games, because the rest of the team has off days as well. See the Pitt game as a perfect example of this. Had Rosier been hot, we win that game and overcome some of the other guys being off their games. When the most important position on the field is off their game, it has a bigger effect than if anyone else is off their game.

Yeah, the whole team was pretty flat, for a number of reasons, but the Pitt game wasn't the first game Rosier was flat. It was just the first game that several others were as well, and they couldn't bail him out. You see, that's why we need a leader at the position. A real leader at QB can help lift the team out of a funk by either playing well, or by being their biggest cheerleader. Rosier isn't that guy.

 

[ThomasM]

You can hate Rosier as much as you want, but no one else gives us a better chance to win September 2nd as of right now.

Right now isn't September 1st, so we're good.

 

[PGrady24]

Right now isn't September 1st, so we're good.

Do you think someone will step up? Even if they do outplay Rosier in Summer, do you see Richt playing the younger guy? Just curious on your thoughts.

 

[BonitaCane]

I think we are handcuffing ourselves into two arguments. One pro-Malik, one anti-malik.

Meanwhile, we have a suspect offensive line and a not very deep defensive line. Teams can overcome poor team play with great QBs and poor QB play but great team play.

That being said, we aren’t there YET. Regardless (and I hope I eat these words), our team needs a few more pieces. We won’t win a ship in 2018. We were DECIMATED roster-wise by Folden. I think therefore, we should build for the future. Start the freshman. Teams that have succeeded with true freshmen QBs with recent success were both great TEAMS with seriously loaded rosters and depth. Bama reloaded again and UGA will more than likely go through a “sophomore slump”.

 

[Loose Cannon]

He had the most opportunities to win the game the defense gave him a couple turnovers, pitt dared us to throw the ball by stacking the box all game long left their guys on islands, our defense did enough to keep us in it, they made malik try to beat them and he didn’t the retarded thing is you trying to pass blame to other factors, he was missing screen passes multiple times, any QB would have killed it with the looks he got in the game

This has been proven to be a lie over and over. Pitt played Cover 4/Quarters all game long. They mixed in about a dozen blitzes, but they were all run from their base D and on not a single down did they bring an extra man into the box. Not even on an obvious run down like this 3rd and 1. They brought the SAM on a run-blitz, but left 6 guys in coverage. The closest safety is 7 yards off the line playing the slot receiver. If this is what you call selling out to stop the run and force a throw, you're a **** fool. It's the exact opposite. The play is an RPO. The safety is leveraging the slot bubble, so we check it to a run and only manage to get about 2 feet.

On a traditionally obvious run down, Pitt isn't playing to take away the run. They're aligned to take away the short pass because they've been having no problems stopping our running backs with the front four. The game plan Pitt used all day long was not to take away the run, but to take away the short, easy passes and force Rosier to throw into tight windows of a 6 and 7 man zone.

 

[cane since birth]

This has been proven to be a lie over and over. Pitt played Cover 4/Quarters all game long. They mixed in about a dozen blitzes, but they were all run from their base D and on not a single down did they bring an extra man into the box. Not even on an obvious run down like this 3rd and 1. They brought the SAM on a run-blitz, but left 6 guys in coverage. The closest safety is 7 yards off the line playing the slot receiver. If this is what you call selling out to stop the run and force a throw, you're a **** fool. It's the exact opposite. The play is an RPO. The safety is leveraging the slot bubble, so we check it to a run and only manage to get about 2 feet.

On a traditionally obvious run down, Pitt isn't playing to take away the run. They're aligned to take away the short pass because they've been having no problems stopping our running backs with the front four. The game plan Pitt used all day long was not to take away the run, but to take away the short, easy passes and force Rosier to throw into tight windows of a 6 and 7 man zone.


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Again you choose one play to prove your point, they played man most of the game, they went to quarters on third and longs because thats what narduzzi does on those downs the rest of the game he had guys one on one and they were getting beat, he did the same to us last year and kaaya tore them up

 

[Jassid82]

And we are the same fanbase that saw malik in the same hour and saw he was still the same QB we saw at the end of the year which coat us games mr 76er

Would love to know where you stood with after Malik after the ND game. But of course you will now say even after that game you just knew he wasn't the guy. Lol.

We will agree to disagree. Clearly you want Williams or Perry and I want whoever the best guy is. That said, I am not willing to sacrifice a season and go 7-5/8-4 just to get a Freshmen experience if he clearly isn't the better option. Richt must agree with me because he is practically begging one of them to step up and clearly they have not.

With Malik's experience and with the favorable schedule, we know at worst he can get us to the ACC Coastal title, anyone who says otherwise just doesn't like him and at that point its no point in discussing it.

 

[ThomasM]

Do you think someone will step up? Even if they do outplay Rosier in Summer, do you see Richt playing the younger guy? Just curious on your thoughts.

I don't know what Richt will do. He wants his starter to know what to do in every situation, and I get that. Evan Shirreffs knew what to do as well, but Richt went with the guy that could execute it better. The guy with more natural ability. Now, Williams is a guy that appears to have far more natural ability than Rosier, but is obviously way behind because he just got here. How much room can he make up between the ears between now and September is an unknown. How badly he will will have to blow Rosier away to win the job is another unknown. If it's close, either way, Richt will start Rosier and wait for him to ***** up enough to yank him. This time, though, I think when he's yanked, Williams will get far more reps than Shirreffs got. Why? Because Williams has far more ability than Rosier, while Shirreffs had less.

Williams will have to really prove it to Richt to win the job. Rosier, to me and most others, has proven he isn't the guy. However, that's not going to win Williams the job. Jarren has to step up and take it, because he is a true freshman going against a 5th year senior. If there was ever a chance for the freshman to win, it's against a guy that is inconsistent. If Williams can be consistently good, he has a great chance. That is all I want to see from the position. More importantly, that is what Richt wants to see as well.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

I am not willing to sacrifice a season and go 7-5/8-4 just to get a Freshmen experience if he clearly isn't the better option.

Me neither.

Our history absolutely refutes that theory.

5 of our 6 National Championship QBs red-shirted...****, if Kelly didn't get hurt in 99', it would've been 6 outta 6.

If anything, banking on the future by handing the keys to a true frosh has proven to be a crap-shoot at best.

LOL...noo fanz..

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

This has been proven to be a lie over and over. Pitt played Cover 4/Quarters all game long. They mixed in about a dozen blitzes, but they were all run from their base D and on not a single down did they bring an extra man into the box. Not even on an obvious run down like this 3rd and 1. They brought the SAM on a run-blitz, but left 6 guys in coverage. The closest safety is 7 yards off the line playing the slot receiver. If this is what you call selling out to stop the run and force a throw, you're a **** fool. It's the exact opposite. The play is an RPO. The safety is leveraging the slot bubble, so we check it to a run and only manage to get about 2 feet.

On a traditionally obvious run down, Pitt isn't playing to take away the run. They're aligned to take away the short pass because they've been having no problems stopping our running backs with the front four. The game plan Pitt used all day long was not to take away the run, but to take away the short, easy passes and force Rosier to throw into tight windows of a 6 and 7 man zone.


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And this is how shltty we played as football players that day. No way you don’t get the ten inches needed if the QB just checks under center and bulls ahead quickly unless nobody on the line can get a one second push.

The entire team played like *** that day.

 

[Loose Cannon]

Again you choose one play to prove your point, they played man most of the game, they went to quarters on third and longs because thats what narduzzi does on those downs the rest of the game he had guys one on one and they were getting beat, he did the same to us last year and kaaya tore them up

Okay, Mr. "He probably doesn't even watch the games" dumbass...

Second Miami possession:
1st and 10. Pitt is in Cover 4. Safeties 10 yards deep. Rosier zone read. 4 yards.

2nd and 6. Pitt is in Cover 4. Safeties 9 yards deep. 7 yard completion from Rosier to Harris.

1st and 10. Pitt is in Cover 4. Safeties 9 yards deep. Rosier QB draw for 3.

2nd and 7. Pitt is in Cover 4. Safeties 9 yards deep. Homer runs for 3.

3rd and 4. Pitt is in Cover 4. Safeties 10 yards deep. WLB and MLB showing blitz, but bail out of it at the snap even though it's a run. Homer runs for 2. He gets beat to the sideline by the MLB. Punt.

2 series. 11 plays. Pitt defense is Cover 4 all 11 plays. Not one play has a safety been in the box. On 10 plays 7 Pitt defenders were in coverage, and on the other there were 6. Travis Homer has been limited to 10 yards on 4 carries (2.5 avg.) by the mighty front 4 of Pitt. Raise your hand when any of this starts making sense to you. Let me know if you're beginning to understand that Pitt did not need to load the box to stop our run game. No need to make **** up. It's actually much worse than you thought. Except through 11 plays, Rosier has thrown 4 passes that all hit receivers in the hands. He's sitting at 50% right now thanks to the two drops I showed earlier.

 

[rsa coral gables]

I don't know what Richt will do. He wants his starter to know what to do in every situation, and I get that. Evan Shirreffs knew what to do as well, but Richt went with the guy that could execute it better. The guy with more natural ability. Now, Williams is a guy that appears to have far more natural ability than Rosier, but is obviously way behind because he just got here. How much room can he make up between the ears between now and September is an unknown. How badly he will will have to blow Rosier away to win the job is another unknown. If it's close, either way, Richt will start Rosier and wait for him to ***** up enough to yank him. This time, though, I think when he's yanked, Williams will get far more reps than Shirreffs got. Why? Because Williams has far more ability than Rosier, while Shirreffs had less.

Williams will have to really prove it to Richt to win the job. Rosier, to me and most others, has proven he isn't the guy. However, that's not going to win Williams the job. Jarren has to step up and take it, because he is a true freshman going against a 5th year senior. If there was ever a chance for the freshman to win, it's against a guy that is inconsistent. If Williams can be consistently good, he has a great chance. That is all I want to see from the position. More importantly, that is what Richt wants to see as well.

this is one of the better responses so far to the pro Malik anti Malik debate, to me its clear as day that Rosier is limited, but he's probably the best we got until someone can learn how to manage the game/do what Richt wants done.

 

[Loose Cannon]

I'm just saying you can't have your QB play so many poor games, because the rest of the team has off days as well. See the Pitt game as a perfect example of this. Had Rosier been hot, we win that game and overcome some of the other guys being off their games. When the most important position on the field is off their game, it has a bigger effect than if anyone else is off their game.

Yeah, the whole team was pretty flat, for a number of reasons, but the Pitt game wasn't the first game Rosier was flat. It was just the first game that several others were as well, and they couldn't bail him out. You see, that's why we need a leader at the position. A real leader at QB can help lift the team out of a funk by either playing well, or by being their biggest cheerleader. Rosier isn't that guy.

You can sit here and try to make the argument all day long that if we had a QB that was way better than how Rosier played down the stretch last season we may have been able to overcome things like ranking 79th in total rushing yards per game, 115th in rushing production from non-QBs, receivers dropping balls, bending off routes, LB's taking bad angles, DBs being lost in coverage, injuries to RB1, TE1, and WR1, and **** poor officiating against our aggressive D-line. Fine. I agree with you. With a WAY better QB we could have maybe overcome those issues against a scrub like Pitt, and we probably beat Wisconsin.

Two things, though.

1. We didn't have anybody WAY better than Rosier last season, and we don't have anybody WAY better than Rosier this season. We have 3 guys who if they put in a considerable amount of work during the summer, bust their asses in the fall, and study film every waking moment have the slim possibility of making this a close QB competition whereby they may prove themselves to be only marginally better than Rosier.

2. We're not going to beat any of the NCAA's elite teams, anyway, until some of that other stuff is addressed. A good team is going to expose your flaws however well you might be able to mask them against scrubs like 4-7 Pitt.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

I don't know what Richt will do. He wants his starter to know what to do in every situation, and I get that. Evan Shirreffs knew what to do as well, but Richt went with the guy that could execute it better. The guy with more natural ability. Now, Williams is a guy that appears to have far more natural ability than Rosier, but is obviously way behind because he just got here. How much room can he make up between the ears between now and September is an unknown. How badly he will will have to blow Rosier away to win the job is another unknown. If it's close, either way, Richt will start Rosier and wait for him to ***** up enough to yank him. This time, though, I think when he's yanked, Williams will get far more reps than Shirreffs got. Why? Because Williams has far more ability than Rosier, while Shirreffs had less.

Williams will have to really prove it to Richt to win the job. Rosier, to me and most others, has proven he isn't the guy. However, that's not going to win Williams the job. Jarren has to step up and take it, because he is a true freshman going against a 5th year senior. If there was ever a chance for the freshman to win, it's against a guy that is inconsistent. If Williams can be consistently good, he has a great chance. That is all I want to see from the position. More importantly, that is what Richt wants to see as well.

Really good post. Makes sense. This is what any reasonable person wants.

The same could be said for N’Kosi or Weldon.

One thing you left out is the possibility that Rosier could improve, which everyone seems to discount. It could happen. He’s only played one full year as a starter. It’s not unheard of for players to improve after a year of experience in a system and another spring and summer of practice.

It’s also possible he could stay the same or regress.

I have no horse in the race other than wanting the best for the team.

But anyone with any sense reading this post needs to take a step back and realize that RIGHT NOW we are in a MUCH BETTER quarterback situation than we were last year.

Think about it.

Our options are much better. Odds are, Malik is no worse than he was last year, possibly better, and what’s behind him, the alternatives to Malik, are a thousand times more workable than what we had last year. Three reasonable alternatives to Rosier right now.

Last year, we really didn’t have much but Rosier. It was a mess. That’s why Rosier played injured.

 

[Cribby]

We'd be 8-4 with Rosier too. bye

We got an ungodly amount of turnovers last year or the 2-3 Rosier supporters would have their lips shut right now.

Also mix in a Hail Mary type throw against a mediocre GT team at home, a 50/50 game against a terrible unc team ( true Fr qb first start) , a jump ball against Fsu at the gun and a dogfight with Cuse.

My point is we had enough fortunate breaks last year to get to 10-3 , and some are blinded by that. That’s why they keep using the “ buh buh but he got us 10 wins bro”.

Majority of his yards/td’s were off of huge plays , with tons of mediocrity mixed in. It literally alternates by halves, which gets you blown out if you take away the takeaways. The definition of feast or famine.

The offense will be feast or famine, hot in cold if he starts. That’s who he is , a qb that completes in the mid 50’s. With a ton of simple throws/screens.

It is what it is.

 

[Cribby]

Really good post. Makes sense. This is what any reasonable person wants.

The same could be said for N’Kosi or Weldon.

One thing you left out is the possibility that Rosier could improve, which everyone seems to discount. It could happen. He’s only played one full year as a starter. It’s not unheard of for players to improve after a year of experience in a system and another spring and summer of practice.

It’s also possible he could stay the same or regress.

I have no horse in the race other than wanting the best for the team.

But anyone with any sense reading this post needs to take a step back and realize that RIGHT NOW we are in a MUCH BETTER quarterback situation than we were last year.

Think about it.

Our options are much better. Odds are, Malik is no worse than he was last year, possibly better, and what’s behind him, the alternatives to Malik, are a thousand times more workable than what we had last year. Three reasonable alternatives to Rosier right now.

Last year, we really didn’t have much but Rosier. It was a mess. That’s why Rosier played injured.

Ask any oc or qb guru and they’ll tell”you an inaccurate qb will always be inaccurate , accurate qbs will always be accurate”.

Mike Leach even said “the first area he looks at is accuracy , if he’s accurate I can do the rest”.

That’s why most don’t expect him to improve. Because he’s just inaccurate, we just have to live with that if he starts.