Barry Jackson on U team at present

[Jassid82]

Except you aren't taking chances with Malik. You are just guaranteeing yourself a safe and comfortable mediocrity.

I don't know if you are gambling man but our line is 9.5 right now. Most people would take the over. If 10 wins is mediocre then I think you need to get back in the delorean and come back to the year 2018 because 10 wins is a helluva season in this age of college football when going undefeated is almost impossible. **** Saban has 6 rings and only has done it once.

Not many teams will win 10+ games next year. (counting just regular season. Not postseason play)

If you guys just hate Malik that's fine. But this argument that because we know what he can do we should just throw Williams/Perry out there and take our chances is "76ers fan/Lets hope we are contenders in 2 years" logic.

 

[Jassid82]

Wait you saw the spring game and thought rosier was the best? Jarren was the best one making the right reads and was accurate and threw for TDs, we arent switching the narrative you did by changing your reasoning to losing the team by starting a freshman and used kaaya as a example

Yes I was at the Spring game and Jarron was playing his best against the 2nd and 3rd team defense buddy.

LSU wont be trotting their 3rd team D out there on Sept 2nd in case you needed a reminder.

 

[ThomasM]

Yes I was at the Spring game and Jarron was playing his best against the 2nd and 3rd team defense buddy.

LSU wont be trotting their 3rd team D out there on Sept 2nd in case you needed a reminder.

Yeah, but an inaccurate passer will be facing LSU's first string D as well.

 

[cane since birth]

Yes I was at the Spring game and Jarron was playing his best against the 2nd and 3rd team defense buddy.

LSU wont be trotting their 3rd team D out there on Sept 2nd in case you needed a reminder.

So you base your opinion on who he played against, not by seeing how he read the defense, or how he ran the RPO, or making accurate throws one being a dime for a TD against a corner who is considered to be a starter at one point, regardless of who he played he looked poised and made the right reads, with constant pressure

 

[cane since birth]

I don't know if you are gambling man but our line is 9.5 right now. Most people would take the over. If 10 wins is mediocre then I think you need to get back in the delorean and come back to the year 2018 because 10 wins is a helluva season in this age of college football when going undefeated is almost impossible. **** Saban has 6 rings and only has done it once.

Not many teams will win 10+ games next year. (counting just regular season. Not postseason play)

If you guys just hate Malik that's fine. But this argument that because we know what he can do we should just throw Williams/Perry out there and take our chances is "76ers fan/Lets hope we are contenders in 2 years" logic.

You keep bringing up another sport like it’s connected, its football this ain’t basketball stop bringing up the 76ers logic about tanking because there aint no draft if we suck, and not one person has said to put him in for experience and to waste a season, you put the best player out there period end of story, rosier was inconsistent last year and made games closer than they should have been against crap teams and **** the bed at the end of the year

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Let's just say, I remember 1999 pretty well. Dorsey absolutely tore it up in scrimmages before ever starting a game here. It was BECAUSE Butch was on the hot seat that he went the safe route and started Mr. Football, Kenny Kelly. The fear was Dorsey was physically not ready to withstand a pounding, not that he didn't grasp the O and couldn't make plays. Skinny Kenny everyone called him. Believe me, he was ready for playing time much earlier.

Let’s just say you’re basically full of shlt.

Dorsey was a true freshman from way out in California that didn’t enroll early. He came in the summer. There was no chance he was starting or playing much unless Kelly got injured, which is exactly what happened.

Butch was under extreme pressure that year, he lost to East Carolina for God’s sake. People wanted him fired. They wanted him to play Dorsey. He stuck with Kelly all the way until injuries caught up to him later in the season. So Dorsey didn’t play until several injuries brought Kelly down, including an ankle and knee injury. Stop making shlt up.

People also forget how close Butch was to being fired in 1999, or at least how wildly unpopular he was. He was absolutely hated.

 

[streetja]

Hard to be creative when you struggle doing the simple stuff. And richt definetly showed some wrinkles vs vt and nd.

What confuses me about Richt is that all year long he kept it pretty simple on offense and we struggled even against the likes of Duke and UNC, and then comes the VT and ND games, he gets creative, and we blast them. Then we turn around against UVA and Pitt and we go back to keeping things pretty simple and we go back to struggling.

We weren't at a point last year where we could beat any team easily without getting too deep into the playbook and we aren't there this year either. Hope he learns to keep the creativity on all year long.

 

[Loose Cannon]

It really gets irritating listening to people over and over trying to pin the Pitt loss solely on Rosier's poor performance, as if the whole team didn't suck *** that day. Yes. Rosier only completed 44.9%, but he was not the only guy who played like *** and he wasn't inaccurate the entire day. On the very first series he threw 3 passes and all three hit a receiver in the hands, yet only 1 was caught, a 5 yard completion to Herndon over the middle. Here are the other two:


1st and 10. Rosier notices our best WR, 6'3, 200 lb Ahmmon Richards locked up in press single coverage with 5'9", 175 lb, Avonte Maddox and checks to a quick slant. This is stealing. It's so unfair it should be illegal.

Malik anticipates that Richards is going to get inside position on the smaller DB and fires.

Here's another look from Rosier's perspective. It's a little blurry, so I've highlighted the football. From this angle, Richards clearly has his man beat.

NOTE: Take a look at that beautiful footwork by St.Louis.

And there ain't a **** thing wrong with this ball placement. Richards lets it come to his body rather than catching it with his hands, and as a result, the vastly over-matched DB knocks it out from behind. He see's the safety loading up and short arms it. I'm not here to knock Richards, but to succeed against Cover 4/Quarters requires accurate passes in tight windows AND receivers catching the ball in those tight windows.

On the next play, 2nd and 10, Darling gets absolutely befuddled by a simple stunt and decides to block nobody, and Rosier gets leveled by a free running DE.

Next up, 3rd and 16. You know, Pat Narduzzi believes that Quarters is the perfect defense for all occasions, and I've proven in other threads that contrary to the notion that Pitt put 8 and 9 guys in the box and that's why Travis Homer only had 12 yards rushing on the day, not a single down did Pitt play any defense besides Cover 4. They defended the run with their front 4. Now in this defense, the DBs are taught to check for the run before dropping into their shallow zones, but make no mistake, Base Cover 4 has 7 guys playing zone unless they read run.

So what's the best offense against DB's peeking into the backfield? Play-Action Pass, of course. So on 3rd and 16, that's just what Richt dials up.

Perfectly executed. Thomas has a step on his man. And...lets the ball drop right through his hands.

Again. Not a **** thing wrong with the throw. Rosier steps up into the face of the blitz just 6 seconds after being creamed by a free-running DE and delivers a catchable ball 40 yards down field. The ball is placed over the shoulder opposite DB position, and there's no way in the world anybody catches JT if he makes the catch. Everybody played like **** that game. Trying to pin it on one guy is nonsense. How differently would that day have gone if JT4 catches that ball and we strike first with a 90 yard bomb?

 

[rsa coral gables]

both groups of porsters believe it is either Rosier or Someone Else FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON. we are not "riding" with one or the other. it could be that we start one guy versus LSU (and it makes all the sense in the world to me to start Rosier) and perhaps we transition to Perry or Williams down the road. this is the most likely scenario for me if and only if Perry or Williams can do at least what Rosier can do in the fall

 

[cane since birth]

It really gets irritating listening to people over and over trying to pin the Pitt loss solely on Rosier's poor performance, as if the whole team didn't suck *** that day. Yes. Rosier only completed 44.9%, but he was not the only guy who played like *** and he wasn't inaccurate the entire day. On the very first series he threw 3 passes and all three hit a receiver in the hands, yet only 1 was caught, a 5 yard completion to Herndon over the middle. Here are the other two:


1st and 10. Rosier notices our best WR, 6'3, 200 lb Ahmmon Richards locked up in press single coverage with 5'9", 175 lb, Avonte Maddox and checks to a quick slant. This is stealing. It's so unfair it should be illegal.

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Malik anticipates that Richards is going to get inside position on the smaller DB and fires.

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Here's another look from Rosier's perspective. It's a little blurry, so I've highlighted the football. From this angle, Richards clearly has his man beat.

NOTE: Take a look at that beautiful footwork by St.Louis.

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And there ain't a **** thing wrong with this ball placement. Richards lets it come to his body rather than catching it with his hands, and as a result, the vastly over-matched DB knocks it out from behind. He see's the safety loading up and short arms it. I'm not here to knock Richards, but to succeed against Cover 4/Quarters requires accurate passes in tight windows AND receivers catching the ball in those tight windows.



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On the next play, 2nd and 10, Darling gets absolutely befuddled by a simple stunt and decides to block nobody, and Rosier gets leveled by a free running DE.

Next up, 3rd and 16. You know, Pat Narduzzi believes that Quarters is the perfect defense for all occasions, and I've proven in other threads that contrary to the notion that Pitt put 8 and 9 guys in the box and that's why Travis Homer only had 12 yards rushing on the day, not a single down did Pitt play any defense besides Cover 4. They defended the run with their front 4. Now in this defense, the DBs are taught to check for the run before dropping into their shallow zones, but make no mistake, Base Cover 4 has 7 guys playing zone unless they read run.

So what's the best offense against DB's peeking into the backfield? Play-Action Pass, of course. So on 3rd and 16, that's just what Richt dials up.

Perfectly executed. Thomas has a step on his man. And...lets the ball drop right through his hands.


View attachment 59828



Again. Not a **** thing wrong with the throw. Rosier steps up into the face of the blitz just 6 seconds after being creamed by a free-running DE and delivers a catchable ball 40 yards down field. The ball is placed over the shoulder opposite DB position, and there's no way in the world anybody catches JT if he makes the catch. Everybody played like **** that game. Trying to pin it on one guy is nonsense. How differently would that day have gone if JT4 catches that ball and we strike first with a 90 yard bomb?

So you pick a few throws out of the countless other drives that he messed up in to prove a point? When a couple of those you show have yea good footwork but horrible ball placement, Funny you dont show him missing screen passes and constantly missing guys streaking downfield open, Richt even took him out of the game and that should show that he was the reason we lost

 

[SinCityCane]

It really gets irritating listening to people over and over trying to pin the Pitt loss solely on Rosier's poor performance, as if the whole team didn't suck *** that day. Yes. Rosier only completed 44.9%, but he was not the only guy who played like *** and he wasn't inaccurate the entire day. On the very first series he threw 3 passes and all three hit a receiver in the hands, yet only 1 was caught, a 5 yard completion to Herndon over the middle. Here are the other two:


1st and 10. Rosier notices our best WR, 6'3, 200 lb Ahmmon Richards locked up in press single coverage with 5'9", 175 lb, Avonte Maddox and checks to a quick slant. This is stealing. It's so unfair it should be illegal.

View attachment 59824

Malik anticipates that Richards is going to get inside position on the smaller DB and fires.

View attachment 59825


Here's another look from Rosier's perspective. It's a little blurry, so I've highlighted the football. From this angle, Richards clearly has his man beat.

NOTE: Take a look at that beautiful footwork by St.Louis.

View attachment 59826


And there ain't a **** thing wrong with this ball placement. Richards lets it come to his body rather than catching it with his hands, and as a result, the vastly over-matched DB knocks it out from behind. He see's the safety loading up and short arms it. I'm not here to knock Richards, but to succeed against Cover 4/Quarters requires accurate passes in tight windows AND receivers catching the ball in those tight windows.



View attachment 59827



On the next play, 2nd and 10, Darling gets absolutely befuddled by a simple stunt and decides to block nobody, and Rosier gets leveled by a free running DE.

Next up, 3rd and 16. You know, Pat Narduzzi believes that Quarters is the perfect defense for all occasions, and I've proven in other threads that contrary to the notion that Pitt put 8 and 9 guys in the box and that's why Travis Homer only had 12 yards rushing on the day, not a single down did Pitt play any defense besides Cover 4. They defended the run with their front 4. Now in this defense, the DBs are taught to check for the run before dropping into their shallow zones, but make no mistake, Base Cover 4 has 7 guys playing zone unless they read run.

So what's the best offense against DB's peeking into the backfield? Play-Action Pass, of course. So on 3rd and 16, that's just what Richt dials up.

Perfectly executed. Thomas has a step on his man. And...lets the ball drop right through his hands.


View attachment 59828



Again. Not a **** thing wrong with the throw. Rosier steps up into the face of the blitz just 6 seconds after being creamed by a free-running DE and delivers a catchable ball 40 yards down field. The ball is placed over the shoulder opposite DB position, and there's no way in the world anybody catches JT if he makes the catch. Everybody played like **** that game. Trying to pin it on one guy is nonsense. How differently would that day have gone if JT4 catches that ball and we strike first with a 90 yard bomb?

Talk about revisionist history. That 5'9 CB broke on the slant pretty well, & Malik put it on Ahmon's back shoulder instead of out in front, which gave the CB a chance to break it up. The throw to Thomas was also behind him. That's a nice picture that appears to prove your point - except if you watch the play, you'll see that JT had his man burned to the inside & had to turn back to the outside to reach for the ball. The CB was inside only after JT had to turn. That's a **** of a tough catch running full speed, but I will give you that he had a shot at it - unlike the duck early in the Clemson game that should have been a 70-80 yd TD.

It's telling that the 2 examples you gave for Malik's inaccuracy not having cost us that game are plays that would have been completed with accurate passes.

 

[Loose Cannon]

So you pick one drive out of the countless other drives that he messed up in to prove a point? Funny you dont show him missing screen passes and constantly missing guys streaking downfield open, Richt even took him out of the game and that should show that he was the reason we lost

I didn’t pick anything. I just started watching the film and saw plenty of ***** ups to go around. In our first 7 plays including the punt return, we had a holding penalty against us, 2 drops, a run for no gain, and a DE taking a free shot at our QB for a sack. You really have to ignore quite a bit of garbage play from an entire team that had clearly taken a week off after wrapping up the Coastal the week before to walk away from that game saying one guy was the lone reason we lost.

 

[Loose Cannon]

Talk about revisionist history. That 5'9 CB broke on the slant pretty well, & Malik put it on Ahmon's back shoulder instead of out in front, which gave the CB a chance to break it up. The throw to Thomas was also behind him. That's a nice picture that appears to prove your point - except if you watch the play, you'll see that JT had his man burned to the inside & had to turn back to the outside to reach for the ball. The CB was inside only after JT had to turn. That's a **** of a tough catch running full speed, but I will give you that he had a shot at it - unlike the duck early in the Clemson game that should have been a 70-80 yd TD.

It's telling that the 2 examples you gave for Malik's inaccuracy not having cost us that game are plays that would have been completed with accurate passes.

I played a little receiver in HS, and if a ball hit both my hands I either caught it or had an *** of wind sprints coming my way.

 

[cane since birth]

I didn’t pick anything. I just started watching the film and saw plenty of ***** ups to go around. In our first 7 plays including the punt return, we had a holding penalty against us, 2 drops, a run for no gain, and a DE taking a free shot at our QB for a sack. You really have to ignore quite a bit of garbage play from an entire team that had clearly taken a week off after wrapping up the Coastal the week before to walk away from that game saying one guy was the lone reason we lost.

There are mistakes in every game but he made the most of them and in turn cost us

 

[Loose Cannon]

If you want to make the point that with an elite QB we can overcome average pass blocking, garbage run blocking, dropped passes, a D-line getting tackled on passing downs, LBs taking bad angles, DBs that can’t cover the middle of the field, a punter who averages 20 yards, returners who average less, and a kicker that seems to miss anything over 50 and under 30...okay, I guess. But we don’t have an elite QB. We have a few guys that are maybe slightly better than Rosier at this point. We might beat Pitt with slightly better than Rosier.

We’re not beating Clemson, Bama, Ohio State, or UGA until we fix the rest.

 

[Jassid82]

So you base your opinion on who he played against, not by seeing how he read the defense, or how he ran the RPO, or making accurate throws one being a dime for a TD against a corner who is considered to be a starter at one point, regardless of who he played he looked poised and made the right reads, with constant pressure

LOL. Really? In a controlled scrimmage against our 3rd team D? Man you guys are really reaching here. Now you are ready to send him out there against LSU because he made a few reads and looked poised? Good thing you aren't our HC ill say that.

 

[404CANES]

You guys are switching the narrative. What was originally said was that Rosier had maxed out and since we already know what we are getting from him to just throw one of the young guns out there and that's what I was arguing against.

I want the best guy to get the job and the guy who will get us to the ACC title game. From what I saw in the Spring game that aint Williams and definitely aint Perry.

Now if somehow Perry morphs into Jameis Winston from 2013 in the next 3 months or Williams does his best impression of Jamelle Holieway from 1985 then God has been looking down on us favorably and lets get it..until then, ill take my chances with Malik.

What spring game were you watching where #12 was the better qb, it wasn't in Miami.

 

[Jassid82]

You keep bringing up another sport like it’s connected, its football this ain’t basketball stop bringing up the 76ers logic about tanking because there aint no draft if we suck, and not one person has said to put him in for experience and to waste a season, you put the best player out there period end of story, rosier was inconsistent last year and made games closer than they should have been against crap teams and **** the bed at the end of the year

And based on historical data, Williams (who I assume is your pick) is going to **** the bed even more, lead us exactly nowhere, ruin any momentum we had from last year, and possibly ruin him mentally. The kid just got here and you are already ready to hand him the keys.

And you are ready to kill Malik because he wasn't "Ken Dorsey 2000" in his first full year as the starter. Again, I am glad you are just a message board poster and not the guy making the decisions.

 

[Jassid82]

What spring game were you watching where #12 was the better qb, it wasn't in Miami.

Seeing that the Defense is always ahead of the offense in the Spring I thought he had a good game. He will play probably one or two defenses as good as our this year. (LSU and maybe FSU)

And of course, Mark Richt..you know the Head Coach who has seen these guys all Spring...came out and said Malik was still the frontrunner going into the Fall.

 

[404CANES]

Seeing that the Defense is always ahead of the offense in the Spring I thought he had a good game. He will play probably one or two defenses as good as our this year. (LSU and maybe FSU)

And of course, Mark Richt..you know the Head Coach who has seen these guys all Spring...came out and said Malik was still the frontrunner going into the Fall.

Coaches have made dumbfukk decisions before and will continue to...CMR has regain the momentum at The U and has the program on the rise. Where he has failed is at qb evaluation and development which is suppose to be his specialty. So banking on his choice to start #12 is no indication that he's the best fit for the position. I've stated before that playing a guy who knows the playbook the best, whose not capable of executing the actual plays and keep chains moving is just crazy. We struggled and squeaked out wins against far inferior teams and #12 was one of the culprits responsible for our play.