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If we're all being intellectually honest here:

-There's a segment of us that never want any kids to leave early because we want to maximize their benefit to us as Miami Hurricane fans.

-There's another at least as large segment that cheers on ANY kid that grabs whatever payday he can as quickly as he can because you're diametrically opposed to the current constructs of amateurism within the NCAA.

-Then there are those of us that try to analyze these situations on a case by case basis. Sure, we're Canes fans first but can also understand that there are also a plethora of situations where a kid SHOULD leave early and that we shouldn't begrudge them in the slightest for doing so.

The problem with the first two subsets is it prevents us from calling it like it is once the results actually play out. You become more attached to protecting your original position than acknowledging the cases that contradict it.

I don't see how anyone can currently say that it hasn't proven to be a big mistake for RJ and Norton to leave. Sure, it's exacerbated around here because we have the Petey/WaWa 6th Round Management angle to play up but the result is still the result. And I say this as a guy that will also readily admit that I was very wrong about Duke Johnson making a mistake in leaving early (despite still holding major reservations about his choice in agent representation).

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Just imagine preparing for this defense with those two and a healthy Malek Young.

Nasty
 
Tad Footeball said:
If we're all being intellectually honest here:

-There's a segment of us that never want any kids to leave early because we want to maximize their benefit to us as Miami Hurricane fans.

-There's another at least as large segment that cheers on ANY kid that grabs whatever payday he can as quickly as he can because you're diametrically opposed to the current constructs of amateurism within the NCAA.

-Then there are those of us that try to analyze these situations on a case by case basis. Sure, we're Canes fans first but can also understand that there are also a plethora of situations where a kid SHOULD leave early and that we shouldn't begrudge them in the slightest for doing so.

The problem with the first two subsets is it prevents us from calling it like it is once the results actually play out. You become more attached to protecting your original position than acknowledging the cases that contradict it.

I don't see how anyone can currently say that it hasn't proven to be a big mistake for RJ and Norton to leave. Sure, it's exacerbated around here because we have the Petey/WaWa 6th Round Management angle to play up but the result is still the result. And I say this as a guy that will also readily admit that I was very wrong about Duke Johnson making a mistake in leaving early (despite still holding major reservations about his choice in agent representation).

~end diatribe~
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well written. good statement.
 
Tad Footeball said:
If we're all being intellectually honest here:

-There's a segment of us that never want any kids to leave early because we want to maximize their benefit to us as Miami Hurricane fans.

-There's another at least as large segment that cheers on ANY kid that grabs whatever payday he can as quickly as he can because you're diametrically opposed to the current constructs of amateurism within the NCAA.

-Then there are those of us that try to analyze these situations on a case by case basis. Sure, we're Canes fans first but can also understand that there are also a plethora of situations where a kid SHOULD leave early and that we shouldn't begrudge them in the slightest for doing so.

The problem with the first two subsets is it prevents us from calling it like it is once the results actually play out. You become more attached to protecting your original position than acknowledging the cases that contradict it.

I don't see how anyone can currently say that it hasn't proven to be a big mistake for RJ and Norton to leave. Sure, it's exacerbated around here because we have the Petey/WaWa 6th Round Management angle to play up but the result is still the result. And I say this as a guy that will also readily admit that I was very wrong about Duke Johnson making a mistake in leaving early (despite still holding major reservations about his choice in agent representation).

~end diatribe~
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Good post. I believe most of us want guys to stay for selfish reasons. I mean, the more good players we have, the better our team is, right? But realistically there are dudes who declare early with good reason. Nobody was mad at Mark Walton declaring early. I mean what's the draft ceiling for a 5'9" 200lb running back, mid third round if you're lucky? I really don't think him returning would have made a huge impact on his draft status, especially with the crowded backfield we have now. Guys like Kendrick Norton, who have NFL measureables but who leave as raw, unfinished products, certainly hurt themselves in the long run though..

I'm just tired of seeing guys leave early to be late round picks or to go undrafted. I'm tired of the short term mindset so many of these guys have. I understand that some of these guys are desperate for money but we're talking about potential millions being left on the table because you couldn't handle one more year of college.
 
pacusmc said:
Rj comes from a good enough family to know that 2 mil at 21 won’t last long unless you are one savvy investor. And that’s what these agents promise them. They say that they know a guy who can flip that 2 mil in to 10 if he doesn’t make it in the league. It boils down to bad advice just like op said. You can believe you’ll be the next pro- bowler but the facts don’t back it up. The safest bet is to stay one more year. But they believe the agent hype. Look at what rj and Norton turned down. And extra year of hype and an opening game against LSU where everyone would see them eat and a chance to be ranked in the top ten most of the season where every week they would be in the conversation on every network that has a cfb show. Bad bad advice.
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You don't need to be a savy investor to make 2 mill last long at 21. There is so many things a UM grad could do with 2 million dollars to make it last. Even a complete dimwit could purchase a few Dunkin Donuts and live off of that income.
 
GRob31 said:
From TOS Rumph told MJ and JJ “Don’t settle for mediocrity at the University of Miami and being drafted in the third and fourth round is mediocre to us.” Also said “If you aren’t a first or second rounder, then that is mediocre to us. MJ and JJ set that standard by staying in school and coming back.

Also talked about advising the players about the advantages of staying in school and advantages to being an early pick. Said how his situation was similar to MJ’s with him having a son my senior year and could have left his junior year but stayed in school. And how they were National Champions during my senior year. Says with a smile he said “he’s hoping that MJ experiences similar success that I was able to experience during my senior season now".
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Rumph is the perfect person to have his discussion as well. He knows that if he was drafted in the 3rd or 4th round the 9ers would have just cut him when they realized he couldn't cover NFL recievers. They wouldn't have allowed him to try his hand at safety. I hope he tells the DBs this because most of them are to young to actually have seen what happened once he reached the NFL.
 
UknowWhat said:
What's the chances of being a 4th round JR to a 1st or 2nd round Sr... I think not likely... I wanted them to stay for my own selfish reasons... but these are the decisions of these kids... good or bad they are the ones to have to live with it... to call them loser imo is a bit brutal. In my honest opinion this years DLine class will be the best in several years.. last years was more favorable. Dexter Lawrence will come out this year early... unlike the the other DTs that stayed for their SR season at Clemson he was on the field as a Fresh and Soph ... they weren't.. makes sense for them to had stayed.. I will advise Shaq with my best .. but ultimately it's his choice... he has to live with the results not me. I feel he will use a degree a lot longer than we will play football... it's funny but as a 20 year old JR he has already played most of his football. I also realize most people with college degrees aren't multi millionaires.. 1 contract could change that.. Its a lot easier for us to sit back and make life time decisions for someone else's child and the called them stupid when they don't make our choice
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Shaq can make millions without football. Maybe not NFL size millions, but millions over his lifetime with a degree. I’m not prone to say stuff like this on this site, but I’ve seen enough Shaq interviews to know he’s marketable as fūck. Pardon my crudeness. He’s very personable. An excellent communicator. That has tremendous value. It’s not as common as many would think. That’s worth a ton of money.

Let’s say for argument’s sake he decides to never play another down of football after he graduates. I can pretty much guarantee close to six figures and a company car, + benefits, and expenses starting out. That’s a package probably close to 125-150K per year. I’m not saying me hiring me, I’m saying there are jobs waiting for guys like him. Working for some of the best companies in the world. Shaq’s a smart kid, he’ll get his degree.
 
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GRob31 said:
From TOS Rumph told MJ and JJ “Don’t settle for mediocrity at the University of Miami and being drafted in the third and fourth round is mediocre to us.” Also said “If you aren’t a first or second rounder, then that is mediocre to us. MJ and JJ set that standard by staying in school and coming back.

Also talked about advising the players about the advantages of staying in school and advantages to being an early pick. Said how his situation was similar to MJ’s with him having a son my senior year and could have left his junior year but stayed in school. And how they were National Champions during my senior year. Says with a smile he said “he’s hoping that MJ experiences similar success that I was able to experience during my senior season now".
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rumph just gets it man...
 
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Speaking of bad decisions, Brad Kaaya was just waived by the Colts. He may never play a single down in an NFL game.
 
To call them losers is a tad much but the point is correct . Johnson and Jackson would of been 3rd-5th rounders this draft so they did the smart thing and returned. You can never fault someone for going pro if they are 1st/2nd round locks . What the kids at clemson did this past year was honestly dumb so we shouldn't want our guys to do that but what we should want is the guys who aren't top 2 round picks to stay like Johnson and Jackson actually did.
 
rsa coral gables said:
one of the biggest misconceptions is that the player was given BAD advice. how does anyone know what advice, good or bad, the player was given?

just because a person makes a bad decision DOES NOT mean they were given bad advice. people discard GOOD advice all of the time. maybe norton and mcintosh were told to stay and they both decided to discard the advice. that is very, very likely
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Or they watch BALLERS on HBO then they instantly say it's families best interest..

GOCANES
 
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Even if you play 4 years in the NFL you are not making enough money for a life time. You still need that degree.

Are people on here still thinking these kids should leave because they do not like the NCAA set up? Leave early with no job vs School and expenses paid for another year? Is this really a issue to protest?

People need to understand that we have not recruited well. Despite that fact we still seem to get 4-6 pros which is a lot for college teams. But 6 out of 22 kids is still not good odds. Get you degree kids.
 
Mklein13 said:
I honestly think Richt wanted Kaaya to be gone. He wanted a qb who was mobile and look how much of a difference it makes. Rosier had some really nice runs last year and I don’t think he took many sacks either.
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This would make sense if we had a few guys waiting behind him that Richt saw some potential in, but I dont think that was the case when he took over. ****, he even told Malik he'd never play for him, and the guys behind Malik couldn't have shown anything good if they couldn't over take him
 
Tetragrammaton Cane said:
“People want the jewelry, the big rings, the cars, the house and all that,” the 31-year-old lineman told WLUK-TV in a recent interview about the franchises. “I told a lot of the other guys, ‘Man, put some money to the side.’ You’ve got to make two to three other ways of income that doesn’t have to do anything with your main job." - Ricky Jean-Francois (Carol City)

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Maybe RJF got started with the DD franchisees with his LSU signing bonus.
 
Peter is one of my good friends and I can personally guarantee he had nothing to do with either leaving early lol McIntosh isn't even a client at FRM he is with drew.....
 
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