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6.4 Ivins Update

AllTheSmoke said:
Seems to me like they're valuing the diversity of a player more than individual positions. Someone that can cover deep and sideline to sideline is a bigger asset to this staff than a prototype CB, IMO
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That and its still early in the process so it could be offer a bunch of kids that are interchangeable and take those who commit first.
 
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Liberty City El said:
We're recruiting Safeties because we could potentially lose all 3 of our upperclassmen after this season.

Carter graduates no matter what & if Hall or Bolden have good season both will declare (NOT saying they should or they will, just that they could), which would leave us with 4 on the roster.

We also have the Hybrid Nickel position which uses both Safeties & LB's, so because of scheme versatility we need depth at Safety. Our Defense is predicated on Safety play on the backend both in the passing game & run game, so you always need at least 3 guys who can play back there.

Also Banda does a good job recruiting S's, so if we can land talent then fúck it stack chips. If I were Diaz I'd put him on CB's too, but that's another thread for another day.
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Banda recruited Ivey and Gil.
 
Liberty City El said:
That's a fact bro, it's something I still can't understand to this day.

Rumph should be a dominant recruiter in South FLA, he's from Delray, was a 1st round draft pick & played on the greatest National championship team in college football & had a solid NFL career, plus coached 5 years at one of the best High Schools in Broward. I like him a lot personally too & I think he's a good coach, but his recruiting is just bizarre at this point lol.

I don't put it all on him necessarily because he allegedly doesn't get to call his own shots on who we offer or go after at CB, I'm not so sure if I believe that tbh because he's been here for long enough to where he should have total autonomy on who he wants at CB, given his experience I can't imagine him just letting Diaz & Baker or whoever tell him who to recruit, at least I hope it ain't like that.

At this point Idk wtf needs to be done, to me the "we've been a losing program" excuse doesn't cut it, we haven't struggled getting Safeties, DE's, RB's or WR's despite back to back losing seasons, the only positions we have a hard time with every class is LB & CB.

Some coaches are just better salesmen than others, some dudes just got the gift of gab & just know how to sell recruits on anything to get them to sign, Banda does a good job connecting with kids, he's battling bag schools left & right for Safeties & he's had misses too but he knows how to zero in on his target & get a steal. At CB we basically get underrated 3-stars who can rise later in the rankings, or a 23rd hour late add kid that didn't sign in December.

If I was Diaz I would fire Patke & replace him with a dynamic DB coach & just label him the ST's coach, get somebody like Rod Chance, T-Buck or Donté Williams & let whoever it is team up with Banda to recruit all the CB's & let Rumph just handle the coaching side of it. He can help recruit to, but just let the other guys be the lead recruiter lol.
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LCE, couple of questions for you, related to your points on Rumph and D-coaches.

First, I was in a fraternity, we had some guys who knew how to rush, and other guys who didn't. We often tried to pair a strong rusher with a weaker rusher so guys could learn and have some help. Our assistant coaches tend to recruit by-region, but have you seen situations where top targets are recruited by a pair of coaches, say, a position coach AND an ace recruiter who is not the position coach? I realize Rumph may not be the smoothest recruiter, but seriously, can't we get an ace to help out?

Also, as it relates to position coaches, have we considered moving Rumph to special teams? I know he wouldn't be the K/P specialist guy, but so much of special teams has some overlap with DBs and/or kids who play DB, such as return men, gunners, end-of-line rushers, etc. I guess one could argue that if you move Rumph from CB coach, why even keep him, but he seems to be able to coach the technical side of things. And/or would there be a chance that Banda moves to another role, I know he didn't play the game at a high level, but we have seen some coaches be able to adapt to coaching different position roles.

Thanks for any thoughts you can provide.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
LCE, couple of questions for you, related to your points on Rumph and D-coaches.

First, I was in a fraternity, we had some guys who knew how to rush, and other guys who didn't. We often tried to pair a strong rusher with a weaker rusher so guys could learn and have some help. Our assistant coaches tend to recruit by-region, but have you seen situations where top targets are recruited by a pair of coaches, say, a position coach AND an ace recruiter who is not the position coach? I realize Rumph may not be the smoothest recruiter, but seriously, can't we get an ace to help out?

Also, as it relates to position coaches, have we considered moving Rumph to special teams? I know he wouldn't be the K/P specialist guy, but so much of special teams has some overlap with DBs and/or kids who play DB, such as return men, gunners, end-of-line rushers, etc. I guess one could argue that if you move Rumph from CB coach, why even keep him, but he seems to be able to coach the technical side of things. And/or would there be a chance that Banda moves to another role, I know he didn't play the game at a high level, but we have seen some coaches be able to adapt to coaching different position roles.

Thanks for any thoughts you can provide.
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Yes in a few instances we have done dual style partnered recruiting on prospects, for instance the WR we just landed Jacolby George was recruited by Hickson, Likens & Lashlee but mostly Hickson & Likens due to Hickson's connections in Broward county & his overall ability to recruit, he also had familiarity with George so it made it easier for Likens to transition into recruit him as well despite only being on staff for 3 months.

I know Banda assists in recruiting multiple positions & not just the position they coach, same with Coach Field. Coach Field due to his long history coaching in South FL recruits a lot of the local prospects we target even if they're not TE's, especially at MNW because he used to coach there & is very familiar with the coaches.

The staff is basically divided up by regions & they issue offers based on which coaches cover certain regions, that particular coach will initiate first contact with a recruit & let him know he's being offered & what they think of his tape, and then the specific position coach will take over at some point after its clear where they stand on exactly where they may have that prospect slotted on their board.

As far as Rumph, I think they keep him at CB's coach due to his coaching acumen, but in order to improve our CB recruiting they should give Banda more responsibility in that function, I mean they already do depending on the region & school, but overall they should let him take the reins on specific targets & just let him handle the sales aspect of it.

But you're absolutely right about Special Teams coach, it's a spot that almost exclusively designed for an ace recruiter to thrive, you can get a guy who specializes on either side of the ball, you can get an offensive or Defensive coach & plug him at ST's & just let him recruit, that to me is part of the issue with having Patke at that spot, he's basically just an OLB's coach but hasn't been good at all in recruiting LB's. To me, I'd get another dynamic recruiter at that spot & let them focus on helping us land top tier Corners.
 
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KingB02 said:
Meh, there’s six, would’ve been 7 if Bandy stayed. Besides, position coaches don’t really decide the numbers.
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You got it bruh, you're right but that **** sure don't make me wrong. How many of the 6 have actually played as a Miami Hurricane? Practiced? Attended a **** class? The other two, while talented and could eventually be DUDES for us, would be ideal redshirts if our numbers were right(and no, Bandy staying wouldn't fix it). Dunson comes in with speed concerns that he could've spent a redshirt year working on, and Clarke is probably more ready to go on offense at this point. They're two peas in a pod, green as ****, and they're two bad breaks away from being in our two-deep. Do you reeeaaallly feel comfortable with that?!?!
 
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Could we take 4 WR again after taking 4 last year if Smith, Nabers and Brinson all want in with George already committed?
 
Quick question for those who remember and this is a serious question is Artie Burns the last elite corner back recruitment that we’ve received in the past 10 years? if so does anyone remember our db recruiting then and how good it was I remember our 12 class was borderline elite. If coached correctly and then adding corn elder into that mix and we had some legit dogs at corner those two years. I think how they didn’t pan out has hurt us over the past few years when you consider deon bush and Jamal carter are two prime players who were possible stars. That didn’t develop properly or you throw in a herb waters who should’ve gotten switched over if nothing else and been our other elite south Florida db. So imagine that db group right now from those times with rumph coaching them in this scheme man no way were not recruiting elite dbs. If those kids would’ve maxed out there potential imo. I know everyone doesn’t like Ole Bj Henderson but man from the day that kid choose them soft *** gators I knew he was a huge miss on rumphs part he was our true way back into these kids minds as elite db recruiting imo but maybe I’m tripping
 
Liberty City El said:
That horse has been beaten to death & I genuinely hate how a thread can derail in a split second at the mere mention of Rumph, so I really hope that doesn't happen here because it's not necessary.

We all know what it is at this point. Also have to keep in mind we still have a chance to land Markevious Brown or get a late flip like we've done the last 2 classes, that's not ideal, but it's just our reality now.

At the end of the day there's still time, so maybe it'll work out in our favor with a good season.
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Well said El, it’s true; the Rumph bashing is like a bad hashtag on Twitter; old and over used. We get that Rumph isn’t a star recruiter, there are tons of threads and comments to that fact. Banda seems to be getting less flack since Avantae came onboard last cycle, who knows perhaps Rumph lands another CB worthy of the tired folks who rinse and repeat on him. I’m not defending Rumph; we all know he’s a great teacher but horrible recruiter. As Liberty said, give it some time it’s not like today is NLE Day.
 
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FreePawn said:
Why is that surprising? This whole Amari-Daniels-is-slow/bad narrative really should stop. He ran a 11.02 100m as a freshman (that's flying) and his junior highlights show him exploding away from the best high school comp in the nayshun.

Have people actually watched his junior film? Because the narrative seems to be based on his (admittedly underwhelming) sophomore tape. His junior stuff looks better than yulkeith browns junior highlights and nobody has a problem with him.

What Amari lacks is lower body strength. That is easy to work on
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11.02 is nor flying. That is just good speed.
 
RattlerCane305 said:
You got it bruh, you're right but that **** sure don't make me wrong. How many of the 6 have actually played as a Miami Hurricane? Practiced? Attended a **** class? The other two, while talented and could eventually be DUDES for us, would be ideal redshirts if our numbers were right(and no, Bandy staying wouldn't fix it). Dunson comes in with speed concerns that he could've spent a redshirt year working on, and Clarke is probably more ready to go on offense at this point. They're two peas in a pod, green as ****, and they're two bad breaks away from being in our two-deep. Do you reeeaaallly feel comfortable with that?!?!
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No one said it was ideal, sir. Most teams have 7-9 corners. With Bandy we would’ve had 7. You always have to have freshmen.. it’s a revolving door. Sure you do not want green guys having to play, but everyone has freshmen and even bama plays freshmen guys now because that’s how the game goes. Guys don’t wanna redshirt and sit until they are redshirt juniors, those days are long gone. Regarding Marcus Clarke, while I agree with you on him.. He SHOULD be on offense and Restrepo should be on defense but half his highlights are on the defensive side of the ball. He just so happened to be insane on offense! So people forget he was good on defense because of it. And Dunson I do not see speed concerns when looking at his film AT ALL. Ran a 4:22 shuttle for a guy that is 6’2 and is physically ready to go day one. I don’t know if you seen his highlights but I see a dawg that will be ready to go here and is a lockdown corner and can thump in the run game. No redshirting that guy. But corners do not all have to run 4:2 forties to be great. Not ideal situation but we will be more than fine. All four returnees in Al Blades, DJ Ivey, Christian Williams, and Te’Cory Couch saw playing time in 2019, so we straight.
 
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Liberty City El said:
That's a fact bro, it's something I still can't understand to this day.

Rumph should be a dominant recruiter in South FLA, he's from Delray, was a 1st round draft pick & played on the greatest National championship team in college football & had a solid NFL career, plus coached 5 years at one of the best High Schools in Broward. I like him a lot personally too & I think he's a good coach, but his recruiting is just bizarre at this point lol.

I don't put it all on him necessarily because he allegedly doesn't get to call his own shots on who we offer or go after at CB, I'm not so sure if I believe that tbh because he's been here for long enough to where he should have total autonomy on who he wants at CB, given his experience I can't imagine him just letting Diaz & Baker or whoever tell him who to recruit, at least I hope it ain't like that.

At this point Idk wtf needs to be done, to me the "we've been a losing program" excuse doesn't cut it, we haven't struggled getting Safeties, DE's, RB's or WR's despite back to back losing seasons, the only positions we have a hard time with every class is LB & CB.

Some coaches are just better salesmen than others, some dudes just got the gift of gab & just know how to sell recruits on anything to get them to sign, Banda does a good job connecting with kids, he's battling bag schools left & right for Safeties & he's had misses too but he knows how to zero in on his target & get a steal. At CB we basically get underrated 3-stars who can rise later in the rankings, or a 23rd hour late add kid that didn't sign in December.

If I was Diaz I would fire Patke & replace him with a dynamic DB coach & just label him the ST's coach, get somebody like Rod Chance, T-Buck or Donté Williams & let whoever it is team up with Banda to recruit all the CB's & let Rumph just handle the coaching side of it. He can help recruit to, but just let the other guys be the lead recruiter lol.
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I don't put it all on him necessarily because he allegedly doesn't get to call his own shots on who we offer or go after at CB, I'm not so sure if I believe that tbh because he's been here for long enough to where he should have total autonomy on who he wants at CB, given his experience I can't imagine him just letting Diaz & Baker or whoever tell him who to recruit, at least I hope it ain't like that.

This is the part I can't understand. He's a black man who made it out the same parts as these kids. He should be big time relatable. I don't know if needs to bring his wife and kids around more. But come on rumph should have some pull. He gotta start getting more kids drafted that would help too.
 
jw410 said:
I don't put it all on him necessarily because he allegedly doesn't get to call his own shots on who we offer or go after at CB, I'm not so sure if I believe that tbh because he's been here for long enough to where he should have total autonomy on who he wants at CB, given his experience I can't imagine him just letting Diaz & Baker or whoever tell him who to recruit, at least I hope it ain't like that.

This is the part I can't understand. He's a black man who made it out the same parts as these kids. He should be big time relatable. I don't know if needs to bring his wife and kids around more. But come on rumph should have some pull. He gotta start getting more kids drafted that would help too.
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OK, let me just ask a simple question.

Most people are complaining that Rumph has missed out on 5-star/4-star guys. Top candidates.

Are there ANY of the top guys (who went to SEC schools or Clemson-F$U, etc.) that Rumph missed out on because he couldn't offer them, or had to offer them late?

Just asking. I am stumped. I like Rumph but I can admit he isn't recruiting as well as he could/should too.
 
Avante Williams can move over to corner in situations this year if need be. Corner isn’t the issue this year.

The more I think about it, the more I try and think positively about everything! And the more i’m worried. Right now, we are getting smoked in south florida or aren’t leading for any of these kids down there that we really need. If Diaz doesn’t win this year, and we have to find another coach, just ugh!

And I do think that’s a major issue! These kids saw 6-7. Honestly, we are lucky to have the talent we have listed above for how bad we were.
 
jw410 said:
I don't put it all on him necessarily because he allegedly doesn't get to call his own shots on who we offer or go after at CB, I'm not so sure if I believe that tbh because he's been here for long enough to where he should have total autonomy on who he wants at CB, given his experience I can't imagine him just letting Diaz & Baker or whoever tell him who to recruit, at least I hope it ain't like that.

This is the part I can't understand. He's a black man who made it out the same parts as these kids. He should be big time relatable. I don't know if needs to bring his wife and kids around more. But come on rumph should have some pull. He gotta start getting more kids drafted that would help too.
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My take on Rumph is that he's an "old school" cane that came up the hard way and still remembers what it took for him to be successful. I still remember his reaction to Henderson at an Orlando al-star game when Henderson flacked out because he wasn't starting and wanted to leave. He told him " a real cane doesn't behave like that" (or something to that effect). Henderson flipped to the Gators shortly there after. He just doesn't relate well to divas.
 
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