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Fair enough.

It's not just the rings, for chrissakes. He's fourth all time in pass yards (and, barring injury, will be second by Week 6 next year). He's fourth all-time in completions (and will be second by the end of next season). He's third all-time in passing TDs, and will pass Manning for #1 by Week...

He was 5-11 year 1 with the Pats, and 11-5 the year with Cassell -- who, as has been explained in this thread, got to navigate an offense that went undefeated in the regular season the year prior against the NFL's worst schedule. Look deeper than numbers. No one is saying Belichick isn't great...

No one has said this in this thread. Super Bowl rings are the cherry on top and put the feather in Brady's cap, but statistically he's probably going to be Top 3 (and, in some, top overall) in almost every major passing category (TDs, completion percentage, QB rating, yards, wins, etc.)...

Aaron Rodgers light years better than Brady! :rk5i6fxwjlgev5j6.jpg::rk5i6fxwjlgev5j6.jpg::rk5i6fxwjlgev5j6.jpg: People like you are why I get a kick out of these debates. There's no question who the greatest of all time is, but there'll always be somebody taking the contrarian point of view...

Yes there is. The clear definition is "does the QB you are considering as the GOAT have stats and wins that are remotely comparable to Tom Brady? No? Then your guy isn't the GOAT."

Also, the "Brady-is-a-dink-and-dunk QB" take is one of the worst I've seen in awhile. Especially for the people who put Joe Montana ahead of him as the GOAT. Montana's 49er teams invented the West Coast offense. There was not better example of a guy who lived on dink and dunk than #16. Why...

Yes he is. You don't have his success in the Super Bowl era, including playoffs, by getting "lucky." Does Belichick also deserve credit for that success? Of course! But again, all the greats -- across all sports -- had legendary coaches behind them. MJ had Phil Jackson. Russell had Auerbach...

So then who's the greatest of all time? Because if you look at the other two commonly mentioned, they also played for generational organizations. Manning? Played for a HOF coach with Dungy, and a HOF front office guy in Polian. How about Montana? Bill Walsh -- HOFer, and considered one of the...

Trash take. Let's look at some numbers: Brady is 6-3 all time in the playoffs against teams with 13 wins or more. Montana? 1-3. Peyton? 4-5. Rodgers? 2-2. In Brady's last 16 playoffs games, he's 12-4, with 5,000 yards and a 36 TD/14 INT ratio. MVP numbers. Brady v. Manning in Super Bowls...

If my aunt had a ****, she'd be my uncle. "System QB" is the biggest laughable argument against Brady's status that's out there. The dude has multiple seasons with numbers better than Manning's. And Manning has never faced the roads to the playoffs that Brady has on MULTIPLE OCCASIONS (just to...

There's just no question. None. He's the best of all time.

I'm actually not. But you recognize great when it's there. Both of them are all-timers, but to say one is (Belichick, in your argument I think?) and not the other is ludicrous. I hate Baga and Nick Saban, but that doesn't take away the fact that they're probably the greatest collegiate...

If you're arguing that Brady has had comparable offensive talent to Peyton, Montana, Elway, etc., I don't know what to tell you.

Conversation isn't whether Belichick deserves credit. Conversation is over whether Brady is best QB of all time. Manning had far better offenses than Brady has ever had, save maybe the 2007-2009 teams the Pats had. His numbers are still on a practically equal plain. Elway arguably had better...

Fair enough - LT is someone you could make a case is the greatest player in football history. But 1.) Brady's right there, if not above him (and I think history will give him the title, and 2.) people on this board are saying he's not the greatest QUARTERBACK. The latter part is what people on...

If Brady isn't the best, who is? Seriously, I want to hear argument on this, because it's crazy to me.

Jordan had Phil. Magic had Riley. Russell/Bird had Auerbach. Sports "greatests" have all had great coaches. Do we discount MJ because his only six titles came when Phil Jackson was his coach - the guy with the most NBA championships in coaching history? No. We don't. And it's why people put...

Brady's GOAT status was cemented long before the Dee Ford offsides; the (correct) call on that play doesn't change that whatsoever, even if the pick had stood. (Also, two of the INTs hit Edelman and Gronk in the hands, so I'm not faulting Brady on those ones). Belichick has coached another...

Who else in the "GOAT" conversation didn't have a great head coach? Montana had Walsh. Manning had Dungy. Brees has had Payton. Seriously, give me a GOAT alternative. Who else is in any way comparable to Brady? It's not even a conversation.