Your thoughts on Randy Shannon as UCF Head Coach

[DaU83]

i thought his recruiting was pretty mediocre.. he defenses were terrible too, considering he's supposedly a defensive "guru".. his defenses were at their best with other people's players.. (namely, Butch's)

 

[AUcane]

Hired Patrix Nix

True but Nix was choice number 12391827 after everyone else said "no thanks". His inability to field a competent staff was glaring. And if he did hire somebody competent, he'd usually be at odds with them.

I think his staff were better than most think at least from what I remember. Stoutland, his OC after Nix (he was ok not too bad), a couple others that actually went on to do well. I think it was much better than Golden's staff.

He had some guys that eventually went to the NFL, true, but Shannon's staff had a lot of turnover, iirc.

 

[UMAlum21]

At the time of UM, his pedigree was only UM and the Coker coaching tree, so he was not capable of purging bad habits due to lack of experience. He's since diversified with gigs at Arkansas and TCU, as well as UF. That has got to count for something, yes?

We need a solid recruiter. Are you guys for real that he was a mediocre recruiter? He out-recruited Golden statistically, but I know stats can sometimes be deceiving.

He coached in the most talent rich area in the country and had a lot of ties to the local community. Recruiting here isn't that tough, we just consistently hire idiots. Shannon burned a lot of bridges at local high schools. He refused to recruit Miami Central for god knows what reason.

 

[UMAlum21]

Hired Patrix Nix

True but Nix was choice number 12391827 after everyone else said "no thanks". His inability to field a competent staff was glaring. And if he did hire somebody competent, he'd usually be at odds with them.

I think his staff were better than most think at least from what I remember. Stoutland, his OC after Nix (he was ok not too bad), a couple others that actually went on to do well. I think it was much better than Golden's staff.

He had some guys that eventually went to the NFL, true, but Shannon's staff had a lot of turnover, iirc.

I think that had more to do with how cheap UM was in paying assistants than him being tough to work with.

Beyond Whipple it seemed like he got along with all his assistants.

 

[Salt]

Hired Patrix Nix

True but Nix was choice number 12391827 after everyone else said "no thanks". His inability to field a competent staff was glaring. And if he did hire somebody competent, he'd usually be at odds with them.

recall Nix at GT shredding a Shannon defense too. Had impressed him so much that he was later hired as OC at UM.

 

[FullyERicht]

i thought his recruiting was pretty mediocre.. he defenses were terrible too, considering he's supposedly a defensive "guru".. his defenses were at their best with other people's players.. (namely, Butch's)

His 2005 defense was top 5 in the country. His 2006 was top 10. Neither had Butch's players.

As a HC he was a complete clusterfvck, but as a DC he only had one season outside the top 10.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

At the time of UM, his pedigree was only UM and the Coker coaching tree, so he was not capable of purging bad habits due to lack of experience. He's since diversified with gigs at Arkansas and TCU, as well as UF. That has got to count for something, yes?

We need a solid recruiter. Are you guys for real that he was a mediocre recruiter? He out-recruited Golden statistically, but I know stats can sometimes be deceiving.

You need someone who is a good football coach. Those are usually the best recruiters.

 

[acento]

Prepare your self for:

-guys "flying around" in practice, every practice
-repeatedly hearing "It's like anything"
-players getting "nicked"
-at least two consecutive recruiting class where one position does not get recruited - i.e. QB
-no defensive back will be recruited unless he is 6'5"
-hope you never play Duke - he finds that stadium very intimidating

 

[miamimike]

There will be a rush to get UCF on schedule

 

[Tad Footeball]

The only way hiring Randy Shannon is even remotely a good idea is if you're somehow paying him in Disney Dollars that were piling up in some boosters garage. The dude is just not a head coach. He can't even land a DC job. If this is the kind of move your administration makes then you really didn't deserve that new stadium as the product on the field will be junk.

 

[Boston.Knight]

At the time of UM, his pedigree was only UM and the Coker coaching tree, so he was not capable of purging bad habits due to lack of experience. He's since diversified with gigs at Arkansas and TCU, as well as UF. That has got to count for something, yes?

We need a solid recruiter. Are you guys for real that he was a mediocre recruiter? He out-recruited Golden statistically, but I know stats can sometimes be deceiving.

You need someone who is a good football coach. Those are usually the best recruiters.

With the coaching carosel this year, many of the best G5 up-and-comers will be taken by P5. We look at Willie Taggart at USF and the talent he has been able to recruit. Guy is a terrible game day coach, but good recruiting can cover a lot of warts. At least that's my working theory.

I actually did a lot of due diligence on Cristobal. I know ya'll in here aren't so keen on him, but his work at FIU was a nice solid trend upwards considering the dumpster fire he took over. Throw out that last bad year as an outlier with an incompetent admin that wouldn't spend a nickel on intangibles like academcs. Now he part of the Saban coaching tree. Consensus recruiter of the year 2015 by all the major services. Not in the mix for UCF though.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

Hopefully they never need to run a 2 minute drill.

 

[DaU83]

i thought his recruiting was pretty mediocre.. he defenses were terrible too, considering he's supposedly a defensive "guru".. his defenses were at their best with other people's players.. (namely, Butch's)

His 2005 defense was top 5 in the country. His 2006 was top 10. Neither had Butch's players.

As a HC he was a complete clusterfvck, but as a DC he only had one season outside the top 10.

as an HC, which is what the thread is about.. his defenses sucked.

 

[canesplaymaker]

Horrible game day coach. No clue what clock management is. Absolutely no personality, gives horrible interviews. Terrible face of a program. You guys can do much better .

 

[FullyERicht]

i thought his recruiting was pretty mediocre.. he defenses were terrible too, considering he's supposedly a defensive "guru".. his defenses were at their best with other people's players.. (namely, Butch's)

His 2005 defense was top 5 in the country. His 2006 was top 10. Neither had Butch's players.

As a HC he was a complete clusterfvck, but as a DC he only had one season outside the top 10.

as an HC, which is what the thread is about.. his defenses sucked.

"His defenses were at their best with other peoples players (namely, Butch's)" implies that Butch Davis was responsible for the 2005 and 2006 top 10 defenses. I just wanted to clarify that this is NOT the case, as it seems BBB fanatics want to attribute every single Miami success to Botch.

 

[casualcane]

Lulz

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

At the time of UM, his pedigree was only UM and the Coker coaching tree, so he was not capable of purging bad habits due to lack of experience. He's since diversified with gigs at Arkansas and TCU, as well as UF. That has got to count for something, yes?

We need a solid recruiter. Are you guys for real that he was a mediocre recruiter? He out-recruited Golden statistically, but I know stats can sometimes be deceiving.

You need someone who is a good football coach. Those are usually the best recruiters.

With the coaching carosel this year, many of the best G5 up-and-comers will be taken by P5. We look at Willie Taggart at USF and the talent he has been able to recruit. Guy is a terrible game day coach, but good recruiting can cover a lot of warts. At least that's my working theory.

I actually did a lot of due diligence on Cristobal. I know ya'll in here aren't so keen on him, but his work at FIU was a nice solid trend upwards considering the dumpster fire he took over. Throw out that last bad year as an outlier with an incompetent admin that wouldn't spend a nickel on intangibles like academcs. Now he part of the Saban coaching tree. Consensus recruiter of the year 2015 by all the major services. Not in the mix for UCF though.

I really don't agree. If you have followed Miami over the last 10+ years, you would see that theory failing.

For example, Miami recruited well enough to the point we had 7 players drafted last year (more than Alabama and FSU), but still managed to post a losing season. ****, using Randy as an example: he pulled in the #1 class and proceeded to go 9 wins and then regress to 7.

I suppose recruiting can cover a lot of warts if your goal is to top out at 9 wins every year, but I wouldn't imagine that being the goal of any school who is serious about competing in football.

As far as Cristobal, I truly believe he sucks. I don't see the turnaround at FIU that you see and being the recruiter of the year at Alabama is not impressive. You could put on an Alabama polo and recruit just as well, considering Alabama is perhaps the most storied program in CFB history, who has been very successful in recent years.

 

[Skitz305]

Don't forget the Randy Shannon doghouse, player's put in there where never to be heard of again.

 

[WillieSatchel]

i thought his recruiting was pretty mediocre.. he defenses were terrible too, considering he's supposedly a defensive "guru".. his defenses were at their best with other people's players.. (namely, Butch's)

His 2005 defense was top 5 in the country. His 2006 was top 10. Neither had Butch's players.

As a HC he was a complete clusterfvck, but as a DC he only had one season outside the top 10.

as an HC, which is what the thread is about.. his defenses sucked.

To be fair you mentioned Butch's players. Shannon the HC didn't coach Butch's players. Shannon the DC coached Butch's players but by '05 & '06 the overwhelming majority of the players Shannon was coaching weren't Butch's recruits, yet his defenses were top 10 both years.

 

[da truth]

The team under Shannon was out of shape. He plays favorites as badly as Golden. Only offers kids from winning hs programs.